Why homosexuality is not genetic

Gemwolf made a good point: GENERATIONAL GAY GENE. At first scientists believed the JUMPING GENE theory (proposed, CORRECTLY, by DARWIN, WALLACE and a few others I cant think of rite now). Some seem to have abandoned this idea, however, not all of them have.

It makes sense to me. The Gene simply goes dormant until the rite circumstances present themselves. Science has already proven that DNA is like RUBBER or an INTERTWING STRING, THREAD (or two snakes coiled around each other), etc...and this MALLEABLENESS allows it to double back (so to speak) and dip into the pool and pick up said GAY GENE (albeit 25 years later on the mama's or daddy's side of the fam).

When that happens MY own unscientific THEORY is that the CELL/EGG carrying the baby is bathed in ESTROGEN. That Estrogen penetrates or is absorbed by the egg. And let's say it's carrying a MALE child. Since it's a matter of CHEMICAL BALANCE--that excess estrogen overrules TESTERONE creating an IMBALANCE--and we get a MALE child confused and wondering why he looks like a BOY but FEELS like a GIRL!

Yet the simple answer is: too much ESTROGEN (estrogen is sweet and the child comes out sweet, kinda).

Err.. I can't follow your logic at all. Correlation between being (coming.. w'ever?) gay and autism is absurd, to say least.



Could you explain this. What danger does it make to the clan? If you hunt your food (with 'hetero men') and do your job as any other people. There's no biological reason why gay men - or women - cannot reproduce. If you NEED or WANT to make babies, you just need the other sex.. have sex a few times and you're on your way of 'reproducing' .. it doesn't make you any more or less gay.. It's completely different issue that you can't make babies _having sex with your own gender_.. oknp?




Everything that exist in nature (world?) is natural. You're presenting your own ethical, moral and philosophical views as facts of what's 'natural' .. Animals (other than human) don't kill bi- or homosexual individuals of their own species, at least it's not known to happen. If they kill their own kind, there is always some other reason (as well) than wheter they have sex with the same gender or not. That's because it doesn't make a difference to whether their species 'will survive' or not..

What is most absurd with this kind of opinions, most of the gay people (I know of) don't give a damn, wheter they're what they are because it's genetic or because they have been 'raised' or 'grown' as such. For many (most even, perhaps) it would make as much different as whether you like classical music because of your genes or because you have _learned_ to like it.. it doesn't matter. There's nothing wrong with liking classical music - even if some of us don't. It doesn't make it wrong or right.. or better. It makes you different.. some people might think its bad, sinfull, wrong or .. exciting.. w'ever.. still yet, its natural.

I'm bisexual myself and I haven't never thought it makes a different whether I was born this way or if 'something went terrible wrong when I was raised' or something like this. I don't see anything 'wrong' being gay or bisex, so why would I want to change that, even if I could 'unlearn' it.. I don't want to unlearn liking piano music, blue color, chinese food or my friends or siblings either.. I just want to love and be loved by someone the way I are. And there are TONS of things I'm doing wrong and I wish to make better and correct.. make myself a better person. Loving some other man or woman - a person - is not one of them.

Since human genetics is very dynamic I would say that though there may not necessarily be gay gene, there may be varying degrees of miswiring that leads to correctly assume homesexuality is indeed genetic.
It has to be, otherwise how else would you explain other human oddities, for lack of a better word, such as dwarfism, idiot savants and especially hermaphrodites.

Of course there are some that became gay as a result of some traumatic experience such as child molestation. Same for females, there are the butch type that have been that way since childhood and/or birth, and the lipstick lesbians that do it just to put on a show and to kill boredom.

It's a numbers game, with all the number of human genes involved, how can we to keep up with all the numerous combinations and possiblities.

Great posts, ANOK. Very perceptive.

IMO, as someone who has been attracted to both sexes as long as I can remember, sexuality is far too complex to be limited strictly to either genetic or learned/psychological/experiential motivations. It is very difficult to draw definite lines between the lust for pleasure, and a biological drive to procreate. The simple fact is that we are all slaves to our hormones. In the absence of hormonal drives and the seeking of pleasure, I dare say that none of us would be having sex, as objectively, it’s really rather gross. You youngsters will realize this as you grow older, though I’m sure some of you do already. I guess my point is that narrow definitions are simply incapable of describing the reality of human sexuality.

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Being that you say you have been attracted to both sexes for some time, I really shouldn't do this but I have to ask:

Were you molested as a kid by some closet pedophile republican?

there's the machine, and the gasoline.
the machine is the body.
the gasoline is the soul.

it is my belief, souls live life to life until their need for learning has been
quenched. i'm a man this time (not gay) but i could have been a woman
last time, or the time before that. the fact i'm here is evidence i didn't complete my assignment. sometimes there are holdovers from past lives. this (in my opinion) is very possibly AN explanation of some instances of homosexuality although not all instances. why should a person be punished because they are gay? if everything is known by god, is it then possible that soul was put in that body to overcome or learn something not yet attained? i had a very good friend who was gay. we grew up
together. i once asked him when he knew he was gay. he told me from
his earliest memories. he was a good guy. he eventually left this mid-sized
industrial town and went to san francisco to live in peace. he passed away
about 10 years ago. i really hope he found the peace he desired in life.
a gay is just like us all. a soul in a body just attempting to satisfy god.

i guess my point is, it does not matter the "whys" of homosexuality!

[edit on 24-12-2007 by last time here]

Actually, when you think about it, it's pretty cool how much of a 'blank slate' and 'neutral' a human embryo is, such that a little bit of nature, a little bit of hormone bath in utero, a little bit of behavior, and a little bit of nurture...can turn out a seemingly endless variety of creatures with a whole spectrum of potential behavior in an vast number of traits and abilities.

As a trade off, you get extremes as well as medians.

Would we rather that people should fall into tighter ideals? That's sort of asking for a society of robots, is it not?

2 cents.

No. But I was exposed to sexual behavior and images way before puberty, and I've no doubt that this contributed to my being more open to different sexual behaviors. There was also a psychological component of feeling rejected by my father, which led me to seek that needed male affection and acceptance from others. Experience alone doesn’t explain sexuality though, IMO, as people with similar experiences often have different reactions. That’s where the genetic factor comes in.

They also had gay and lesbianism in the oldest history book around.... the Bible and the entire city was destroyed for its immorality- Sodom and Gomorrah .... I don't care what the INdians did - they do not have the power to judge in the end- it is ultimately God and He tells us it is SIN! This is enough for me to avoid not only this sin but sin in general and accept Christ as my Lord and Saviour (after all He is the only man who walked this earth with the same temptations as us and avoided them with 100% sucess)

Christ Warrior