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NEWS: Iraq detainees 'found starving'

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posted on Nov, 15 2005 @ 12:07 PM
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During Sunday US forces took control of an interior ministry building, wherein they discover some 170 detainees being [formerly] held by Iraqi security forces in Baghdad. Amongst these people there were signs of malnourishment and in some cases signs of torture. The Iraq government has started an investigation.
 



news.bbc.co.uk
Iraq's government says it has begun an investigation into the alleged abuse of more than 170 detainees held by Iraqi security forces in Baghdad.

The prisoners, many malnourished and some showing signs of torture, were found when US troops took control of a interior ministry building on Sunday

The US operation followed persistent inquiries from the family of one of those held, most of whom were Sunnis.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Clearly mis-treatment of prisoners sits ill at ease with the aspirations of civil society, so what is the motivation for abuse here - is it omission, or more worryingly, commission ?

The former may have some element of credibility in light of the reported pressure on the infrastructure, and the discipline in the still maturing security forces, but if it's the latter - well, then that's another question altogether - The article goes on to mention "Shia-dominated security forces" as having a role in this detention, and thereby suggesting a sectarian element to this, but here I find that my penetration is left wanting and I can't begin to draw out any further conclusions on the motivations here, there seem to be as many reasons as there are people suggesting them.

One would imagine that this discovery, and the inevitable investigation can only add weight to the burdens and concerns of Iraq.




posted on Nov, 15 2005 @ 12:24 PM
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The roles has changes under Saddam it was the Shiites to be the ones to be torture, now that we have helped them and has relegated the Sunnis as minority in control now is the Sunnis time to be torture.

Who said that democracy brings equaty.



posted on Nov, 15 2005 @ 12:35 PM
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What is the motivation? The article says this about the Sunnis:

"According to our knowledge, regrettably, all the detainees were Sunnis," Mohsen Abdul-Hamid, head of the Iraqi Islamic Party, told The Associated Press. "In order to search for a terrorist, they used to detain hundreds of innocent people and torture them brutally."


Most insurgents are Sunni Arabs, who were dominant under Saddam Hussein's regime but lost power after his ouster.

Did the Sunnis expect the Shiite's to forget?

And this case is not an isolated one:

Amnesty International also said it had recently received information of four people who were tortured while detained by Iraqi security forces.

"There have been many reports of torture and maltreatment of Iraqi detainees by the Iraqi police and security forces belonging to the Ministry of Interior such as the Wolf Brigade," spokeswoman Nicole Choueiry said.


Abu Ghraib was built before the coalition arrived. Torture- bonafide torture- was commonplace before the coalition arrived. And I daresay torture was not and is not limited to Iraq or the ME. We punished our guilty, and the only lesson learned was that the US is the only nation that is to be condemned for it. The outrage we saw from the rest of the world over AG was mostly feigned.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 07:53 AM
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Most insurgents are Sunni Arabs, who were dominant under Saddam Hussein's regime but lost power after his ouster.

Thats because the Shia militias have incorporated into the government and are using that position to carry out their 'insurgency' against the sunnis, while the sunnis stay outside of the government and conduct their insurgecy.

The fact that the sunnis were brutal with respect to the shia hardly justifies the shia now being brutal to them. Its clearly illegal and this is clearly a dangerous problem. Apparently there is also a shia death squad attached to the interior ministry, made up mostly of members of the shia insurgent militia called the Badr Organization. What's the sense in invading iraq to remove the brutal and murderous Sadamite regime only to have it replaced by an equally brutal Badrite or Sadrite regime?

One can only imagine just how bad this sort of thing would get if the US leaves in the next few years.


This is sick and illegal and these secret shia torture houses have to be destroyed and these shia death squad members have to be rounded up and destroyed also.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 01:52 PM
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Its all about tribal rivalries that has been going on through centuries, is in their past and history.

Now that the Pandora box has been open the civil unrest between tribal groups will keep escalating until eventually a civil war will be imminent.

Actually is not doubt in my mind that the targeting of civilians is all civil unrest motivated but our government keeps telling us that is terrorist and insurgents doing the damage.

But it fails to say what particular groups are the ones been targeted if you look very closely is both sides dying in equal numbers.

Occurs our soldiers are caught in the center off all along with any foreigner that works as a contractor.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 02:31 PM
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the news.independent.co.uk
has a similar release...
but it goes on to say there were many complaints of a
Wolf Brigade an Iraqi, special trained & elite group

with supposed ties with our CIA & Iraqi 'assets' that have CIA connections.

and a search for a 15 yr old led to uncovering this torture dungeon in the catacombs of the Iraq Ministry !



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