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The bomb in Amman and pictures

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posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 06:03 PM
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Well, this is the picture of the day!

The above is a photo of damage to the Hyatt from the recent bombing. We are being told that this bombing attack was carried out by "suicide bombers" wearing explosive belts. We are being told there is no truth to initial reports that the bombs were hidden above the ceilings (or that Israelis were yet again given advance warnings to leave).

Take a look at this photo. Does that look like a bomb went off about waist-high, or in fact exploded downward from the ceiling.

Where is the blood splatter? If you wrap a belt around yourself like the one they claim and detonate it, you make a really big gooey bloody mess. The wall is clean.

Is the "confession" a repeat of the infamous phony "Kuwaiti nurse"?

You be the judge.

What do you think? I think something stinks once again. And i found that suicide "wife" story too hard to swallow also.

Story

*Title of this thread edited to read: The bomb in Amman and pictures* (since i am not sure this is where the wedding party took place.


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posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 06:20 PM
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I would like to see more pictures.....

But as far as I could see in the picture posted is that maybe the bomb went off in the above level making a whole in the floor and causing pressure downwards which damaged the cieling. You can also see the drop cieling tiles that seemed to be affected by pressure.

I think if explosives were placed in the cieling immediatly above that those tables would not have stood a chance.

-Reason

edit: shpeleng


[edit on 11/14/2005 by REASON]



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 06:26 PM
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ever heard of gravity? wen somthing is not supporting or holding something, it tends to fall down.



i might as well as say dat the bomb didnt explode in front of the building but exploded on top of it and push the explosion downward and u can see much of the debris hanging or pointing downward. dats my proof!!!!!



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe

Where is the blood splatter? If you wrap a belt around yourself like the one they claim and detonate it, you make a really big gooey bloody mess. The wall is clean.




Yeah i was thinking that when i first saw the news footage. It reminded me of the London bombings that were just force rather than heat and fire and didn't produce the big blood and gut mess that you see in most suicide attacks in Iraq for example.



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 06:30 PM
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wheres the blood splatter in dis pic? where the blood of the victims? was it a conspiracy dat nobody was ever injured or dead?



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 06:31 PM
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Look at the difference between these pics.....







Seems that the pic in question was taken after a little clean up work.
seems like the bottom pic was taken after debris was piled up on the tables.

-reason


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posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 06:35 PM
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Here's another one that supports the 'false roof bombs'



Plus there's a few reports pointing at Isreal and questioning if it was Al-Zaraqwi outside the western media.

Iraqi Patsy Confesses on TV
kurtnimmo.com...

Did Al-Zarqawi Really Bomb Amman?
www.arab2000.net...

Most Arabs say Israelis carried out last week's terror attack
www.ynetnews.com...

Bomb in ceiling caused Jordan hotel blast - source
www.msnbc.msn.com...


The 'confession' seems to be very convenient. I wonder if they are going to execute this women or is she free to go now that she supplied a confession which was able to go out to the media?

Again, there is more than one side to this story.






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posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 06:43 PM
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The difference in damage by all 3 bombs, the damage in the Hyat and the total lack of gore/bloodspatter in images from 2 sites had me stumped the second I layed eyes on them.

The Hyat explosion should have red walls and the tables shouldn't be so nicely standing there if this was a belt bomb.

What you see in that image really supports the bomb being in the ceiling above the table. A rather light explosive at that.



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis
Plus there's a few reports pointing at Isreal and questioning if it was Al-Zaraqwi outside the western media.


Is it surprising or something that Israel would get fingers pointed at it, TheShroudOfMemphis? I mean geez, with all those anti-Israel sentiments still ever-present in Middle Eastern countries, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure that Israel would get the blame for the recent Amman bombings.


As for the great "if" of Al-Zarqawi having a hand in this, I have no doubts whatsoever, especially after proclaiming such responsibility.
An article from 2004 mentions:


At the turn of the millennium, Zarqawi was involved in a plot to target hotels frequented by Jewish and American tourists in Amman during millennial celebrations. Zarqawi is believed to be behind the failed assassination attempt in February 2002 of Ali Bourjaq, a Jordanian secret-police official. In October 2002, Zarqawi planned and facilitated the assassination of U.S. diplomat Lawrence Foley in Amman. According to the indictment of captured assassin, Salem Said Bin Sewid, Zarqawi snuck into Jordan to personally recruit members of the cell. In April 2004, Zarqawi was convicted for his role in the plot along with Libyan and Jordanian attackers and four others.

Zarqawi's Jordanian Agenda

But yes, by all means, lets continue to postulate that Al-Zarqawi may have had nothing to do with these recent Amman bombings in Jordan, its not like he has a past Amman or Jordan track record that can be followed or such...





seekerof

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posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof

Is it surprising or something that Israel would get fingers pointed at it, TheShroudOfMemphis? I mean geez, with all those anti-Israel still ever-present in Middle Eastern countries, does not take a rocket scientist to figure that Israel would get the blame for for the recent Amman bombings.




Is it surprising that you'd brush them off because it's not Islamic extreemists?
All i said was non-western media is reporting a different side to this, one that doesn't feature suicide bombers as some photos (and an MSNBC report) have suggested.

This thread is about looking into the OTHER possabilities, if your just going to battle against any other information because it upsets you that Isreal and the west could be pointed at AGAIN rather than simply blaming it on Al-Zarqawi, then start a new thread to do that.



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 07:23 PM
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why would israel bomb jordan? why would they? looking at "other possibilities" you should use facts, motive and logic....not baseless assumptions....



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis if your just going to battle against any other information because it upsets you that Isreal and the west could be pointed at AGAIN rather than simply blaming it on Al-Zarqawi, then start a new thread to do that.








i thought denying ignorance is what ats is about, not "propagate ignorance by disregarding skepticism of baseless assumptions which have no supporting evidence of anything" but i guess im wrong.



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis
...rather than simply blaming it on Al-Zarqawi...


Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he already admit to it?



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by namehere

why would israel bomb jordan? why would they? looking at "other possibilities" you should use facts, motive and logic....not baseless assumptions...

...

i thought denying ignorance is what ats is about, not "propagate ignorance by disregarding skepticism of baseless assumptions which have no supporting evidence of anything" but i guess im wrong.




Yeah you are wrong, Denying ignorance is not going: "OH, it was Al-Zarqawi because he's 'admitted it', even thou know one can confim he exists. They were suicide bombers because that's what the media says, even thou reports and photographs suggest otherwise".

As for why would Isreal do it? Well dust off your brain and go find out instead of waiting to be hand fed by the media. Amazingly terrorist attacks can have more than one target and be usefull for more than one cause rather than just being Islamic Extreemism attacking people for being different.

Al-Qaeda is a name used by both sides of this war as a smokescreen, it's not a real group - no matter how much the media repeat the name - IT DOES NOT EXISTS outside an ideology that is usefull just as much for the west as it is for any other group.


Here's a start as to why Isreal had a piece in the pie:

DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources: Al Qaeda deliberately targeted the Palestinian Authority as well as US interests and Jordan

" Altogether 27 Palestinians were reported killed out of the 57, 17 from the same West Bank village of Silet al-Daher east of Tulkarm.

The Radisson was selected, according to our sources, because a Palestinian wedding party there was the opportunity for a mass-casualty strike on similar lines to the Passover Seder massacre of 17 Israelis at Netanya’s Park Hotel in March 2002. The attack on the Grand Hyatt struck the lobby where a group of senior Palestinian, Jordanian and Saudi intelligence officers were communing secretly and wiped out the entire group. Riyadh and Amman have not identified their officers. The Palestinians were Maj-General Bashir Nafeh, head of Palestinian military intelligence on the West Bank and Abed A-Lon a senior facilitator between the PA and Western intelligence. Palestinians were also hit at the Days Inn hotel. "

www.debka.com...

Get it? They were targeting Palestines head of Defence and Intelligence on the West Bank. Does that makes sense to you or would you rather stick to the "mysterious Al-Zaraqwi who blows up his own people because they have slightly different views on the same faith?"

Or try this, again Isreal seem to know what's going to happen before it happens:
Did Israel have Prior Knowledge of the Amman 11/9 Terror Attacks?
www.globalresearch.ca...

So yeah, go start denying ignorance and do some research into the world that exists outside the 5 o'clock news.




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posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis
Or try this:
Did Israel have Prior Knowledge of the Amman 11/9 Terror Attacks?
www.globalresearch.ca...

So yeah, go start denying ignorance and do some research into the world that exists outside the 5 o'clock news.


Keep on denying ignorance, TheShroudOfMemphis, m'kay?!

You are posting up garbage, with a capitol 'G', that has been already retracted/corrected.
Obviously your source, globalresearch.ca, is running behind times, as par.

The story was picked up by the LA Times on Novemeber 10, which took their take from Haaretz reporting that Israelis staying at the Radisson were evacuated by Jordanian security services. The story proved to be bogus and quite incorrect. Haaretz later retracted/corrected their report alledging such garbage that you are now posting up from globalresearch.ca. :shk:


Blame Israel for Amman attacks

Here’s great fodder for anyone wanting to start a conspiracy rumor implicating Israel in the suicide bombings that rocked Amman hotels last night. The LA Times picked up on a Haaretz report that Israelis staying at the Radisson were evacuated by Jordanian security services, “apparently due to a specific security alert.” The Times writes:

Amos N. Guiora, a former senior Israeli counter-terrorism official, said in a phone interview with The Times that sources in Israel had also told him about the pre-attack evacuations.

"It means there was excellent intelligence that this thing was going to happen," said Guiora, a former leader of the Israel Defense Forces who now heads the Institute for Global Security Law and Policy at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland. "The question that needs to be answered is why weren't the Jordanians working at the hotel similarly removed?"


Despite the fact that Al-Qaida claimed responsibility for last night's terror, can rumors of sinister Israeli connections be long in coming?

UPDATE: Haaretz has corrected it's coverage to say that the Israelis were escorted home after the hotel bombings.

Media Backspin: link to the above quoted mention

No truth to report of Israeli evacuations before Amman bombs





seekerof

[edit on 14-11-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Keep on denying ignorance, TheShroudOfMemphis, m'kay?!

You are posting up garbage, with a capitol 'G', that has been already retracted/corrected.
Obviously your source, globalresearch.ca, is running behind times, as par.



Got nothing to say about the FACT that they killed the head of Palistinian Intelligence and Defence for the West Bank?

Just a coincidence i guess, i mean Isreal would have no reason to want him dead.


Apologists for Isreal are a strange lot, you'll attack an article suggesting Isreal had prior knowledge and even includes articles which state they didn't but you'll let hard evidence just fall through the cracks.

Pathetic.



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 08:44 PM
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Pathetic is your simplton rebuttal and your calling me an "apologist for Israel". Could not comeback with a more factually substantiated rebuttal or counter?

Come with some real facts, TheShroudOfMemphis, not your 'a' typical run of the mill conspiracy related garbage of half-truths, etc. Continuing to spew forth such ludicrous stuff of half-fact, outdated materials to back your alternative positions on this matter only continues to give those true conspiracy theorists, who delve in facts, not half-truths, to build their theories, a bad name.






seekerof

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posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Pathetic is your simplton rebuttal and your calling me an "apologist for Israel". Could not comeback with a more factually substantiated rebuttal or counter?

Come with some real facts, TheShroudOfMemphis, not your 'a' typical run of the mill conspiracy related garbage of half-truths, etc. Continuing to spew forth such ludicrous stuff of half-fact, outdated materials to back your alternative positions on this matter only continues to give those true conspiracy theorists, who delve in facts, not half-truths, to build their theories, a bad name.



You are pathetic because you've ignored a VERY valid and obvious reason why this bombing was not a terrorist attack against muslims.

Acknowledge the death of the Palistinian Cheif of Intelligence before you point the finger at others for not toeing the 'al-zarqawi' line and talking about 'half-truths and conspiracies'.

Your story line has a charactor which can't even be proven to exist post 2001, yet i'm the apparently posting "ludicrous stuff of half-fact, outdated materials" because there's a very legit reason for those bombings that has nothing to do with 'Islam' but everything to do with Isreal and western interests.

mention Isreal and the people start believing in a boogyman.



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis
You are pathetic because you've ignored a VERY valid and obvious reason why this bombing was not a terrorist attack against muslims.

Actually, TheShroudOfMemphis, if you read those factoid news media releases on this recent Amman incident, along with the linked article I gave you on Zarqawi's Jordanian Agenda, these attacks did target Muslims. Only two Americans died along with 50+ Arab Muslims. This terrorist attack was not against Muslims? What "boogyman" media source you been reading?




Acknowledge the death of the Palistinian Cheif of Intelligence before you point the finger at others for not toeing the 'al-zarqawi' line and talking about 'half-truths and conspiracies'.

His death has nothing to do with the Amman bombings, as does the allegations that Israel was behind the bombings. What is pathetic is your continued denial of the facts indicating that this is not the first time that Zarqawi has done such in Jordan or Amman.



Your story line has a charactor which can't even be proven to exist post 2001, yet i'm the apparently posting "ludicrous stuff of half-fact, outdated materials" because there's a very legit reason for those bombings that has nothing to do with 'Islam' but everything to do with Isreal and western interests.

Again, your "boogyman" source(s) is/are quite questionable, as your argument continues to go unsupported. Stick with the facts, simple as that.




mention Isreal and the people start believing in a boogyman.

Try this: when mentioning Israel and its alleged connections to what has happened in Amman, Jordan, come with some valid facts, not half-facts and conjectures, m'kay? Then, perhaps, your position will have some validity and merit. Till then, your spouting unsubstantiated garbage.






seekerof

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