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Originally posted by HowardRoark
The NIST reports were read and reviewed by various experts in the applicable fields, unlike the Professor Jones paper.
Originally posted by HowardRoark
Actually the fires started in the opposite side from the initial impact as that is where the fuel wound up.
The area by the impact hole was where the fresh air was being drawn into the building. Fires later developed on this face on the floors above and below the main impact. (that particular floor was wiped out by the impact, as you can see by the photograph.)
Originally posted by XL5
If you think about things differently, how could you have used explosives to strighten the descent of the top after it started to tilt?
How could you use 1-5 explosive charges on only the floors with evidence of squibs, to get the building to collapse the exact way it did?
Is there a difference between squibs from explosives blowing out window,
or pockets of fuel fumes
or other combustables?
Could the steel supports heat up if they are compressed?
If they wanted to take the building down, why did they wait so long
or why didn't they wait longer untill every one was out?
After WTC 1 collapsed:
* Heavy debris on Vesey Street and WTC 7 Promenade
* No heavy debris observed in lobby area, white dust coating
* SW Corner Damage – floors 8 to 18
* South face damage between two exterior columns - roof level down 5 to 10 floors, extent not known
* South Face Damage:
- middle 1/4 -1/3 width south face, 10th floor to ground
- large debris hole near center around 14th floor
- 1/4 width south face, above 5th floor, atrium glass intact
- 8th / 9th floor from inside, visible south wall gone with more damage to west, 2 elevator cars dislodged into elevator lobby.
South face damage between two exterior columns - roof level down 5 to 10 floors, extent not known.
www.firehouse.com...
Boyle: So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.
Originally posted by wecomeinpeace
But what's truly amazing is these researchers, armed with 3 solid years, 20 million smackeroonies, the WTC blueprints they refuse to release for public scrutiny, and 12000+ images & pieces of footage they also refuse to release...still neglected to explain the collapse mode of the towers.
As for WTC7, they hardly touched it, and again, no collapse mode was presented. Still waiting on the final report for that one. "Soon", they say.
If I was an American taxpayer, I'd be asking for my $20,000,000 back.
And if you believe FEMA's fairytale that WTC7 collapsed from fire, then my advice would be next time you're in a steel-frame building that has a couple of small fires in it, run your booty off, because that puppy's gonna come tumbling down faster than Jack and Jill.
[edit on 2005-11-14 by wecomeinpeace]
Originally posted by ptownrob
Text I'm a former NYer who was always a "Twin Towers" fan, growing up with them in sight from my bedroom after they reached about 50 floors.
I wonder why no one has tied in the fact that just a few years ago, massive night-time renovations of the Towers were completed to reinforce sub-standard fire-proofing. We've already seen how patient Al Quieda can be. Small explosives could have been placed there several years ago to lie dormant until needed.
As far as expertise, it would not have been difficult for a massively funded organization like Al Quieda to pay explosive experts to train their people. It's not as technical as flying airplanes, and well, look at what happened there.
Similarly, I find it curious that the Pentagon was hit precisely where it had just been concrete reinforced- in fact it was the only wedge that had been worked on. Makes a great test case to check out its vulnerability to attack.
We have already seen the U.S. government's willingness to work illegally in the past (?) selling arms to Ayatollah Khomeni's regime (Iran-Contra), and illegally arms Contras in Nicaragua, and prop up regimes througout the world that don't necessarily end up doing the U.S.'s bidding.
Remember, Geroge Bush senior was head of the CIA, and Reagan's VIce-President during the period of many of these illegal actions. Americans already know that the power in the White House is not George Bush's, but rather the same war-hawks who wree in the Reagan/Bush administrations.
I don't think for a moment that they wouldn't accept knowledge of the loss of a potential 10,000 lives at the WTC as collateral damage in their ideologcial passion to start a war to cement U.S. world superiority.
Call it military/industrial, NWO, CFR, illuminati- whatever. These people are so interwoven with wealthy corporations and individuals, that all morality goes up in smoke and fire.
Originally posted by wecomeinpeace
And if you believe FEMA's fairytale that WTC7 collapsed from fire, then my advice would be next time you're in a steel-frame building that has a couple of small fires in it, run your booty off, because that puppy's gonna come tumbling down faster than Jack and Jill.
Originally posted by zappafan1
You're forgetting a shockwave from a 220,000 Lb aircraft hitting the superstructure of the buildings......
Originally posted by XL5
Combustables, like bug spary or other aerosol products, even buckling concrete exploding because the metal being bent underneath it. Or just rushing air over already stressed windows that has been directed by open and shut doors.
If the powers that be set up the explosives, none would misfire.
As for the tilt being corrected, as the top is crushing the lower floors diagonally. There is a time, where for example, where the north side of floor 76 is "in" 75 the same time but not touching 75's floor (no support).
Then the south side of 76's floor (75's ceiling) has twice the weight it was designed for on it and it gives in BEFORE the north side of floor 76 can touch 75's floor.
It doesn't happen that fast, but it happens just like that, little by little for each floor that is crushed. That kind of thing would be hard to control for a human pushing buttons or turning keys, they would need a computer that had a camera feed to know which explosives is where and when it should go off. Otherwise it would be like trying to correct a motorbike that starts wobbling at high speeds.
Why wouldn't they wait days and make sure every one was out of the area before they told people they would be bringing it down?
Also I'd like to bring up the fact that not one of the survivors mentioned anything about hearing explosions or "rumbles" previous to the planes hitting the building(s), as was the case in the Oklahoma City bombing.
The amount of H.E required to damage the collumns to the extent required to weaken the superstructure enough to bring down the WTC buildings would definately been felt at least four floors above and below their placement, and set off earthquake/vibration alarms in the building(s).
Originally posted by bsbray11
Btw a lot of thermite could've eaten through structurally critical portions of the basement with no such vibrations.
Originally posted by XL5
If it was the janitors room it could have enough power to do that, even explosions from upper floors.
As for the point of contact being a fulcrum, it would be like a see-saw with tooth picks as the fulcrum support and a box under the rasied side. The floors are chrushing and there is alot of friction between the upper part and lower part so the top can not just slide off.
As the top part is tilting on the edge of a floor, 20-30% of the weight supporting beams are taking 70-80% more weight then they were ever designed for and they crush!
If 20-30% of the beams on one floor could support the total weight of the top of the building, then it would need explosives to bring it down. In computerized demolitions, the charges can all be timed. In this case, "they" could not have pre timed the charges, because they could not have knowen the extent, angle and location of the place crash and therefore the way the top will tip. They would need a camera or two hooked up to a computer to see the tilt and correct it.
But what would have pushed the top over like that?
It would have to be falling to the weakest side, if not, why did they make bombs go off on one side if thats not what they wanted to do.
Originally posted by HowardRoark
If the bottom was taken out in the manner that you suggest, then the whole building would have dropped from the bottom up. It didn't.
Originally posted by XL5
When I say friction, I mean that is why the top didn't just slide (not topple) off the bottom part. Metal with 75% more weight then the maximum load weight will give out by bending, snaping or tearing, just like stomping on a pop can. Once the first supports are weakend and give out, the speed of the hugh mass will create even more force on the next set of supports.
Originally posted by Indy
Put your hand on the table. Place a brick on your hand. Does it hurt? No. Now pick that brick up one foot and drop it on your hand. Same feeling as before? LOL. Of course not.
Originally posted by XL5
(pop can and foot).