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Murder of fireman caught on tape?

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posted on Nov, 13 2005 @ 07:20 PM
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Look at this page and the video on it, you see one fireman sticking a needle in the back of another. You can clearly see the needle at the very bottom of the page, even the squirt. This is insane, supposedly they just killed the guy they were carying as well. What do you guys think?

They must have had some covert agents dressed as firemen in the building to take care of any future whistleblowers.

www.thewebfairy.com...

[edit on 13-11-2005 by NinjaCodeMonkey]




posted on Nov, 13 2005 @ 11:28 PM
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I looked at the video, and I think it's a fake personally. This is because on the firecoat, it has

F.D.N.Y.
Batt. Chief (Battalion Chief)
Pfeifer (Joseph Pfeifer)

Joseph Pfeifer survived the attack and collapse of the Twin Towers still serves the department till this day. HIs brother, Kevin, who was a Lieutenant with Ladder Co. 3 did not survive the attacks.



posted on Nov, 13 2005 @ 11:42 PM
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If anything, the thing you feel is a needle is a hand-held radio and the pointy thing is the antenna.

I am a Captain firefighter and you do not honor the memory of the brothers and sisters who fell that horrific day by postulating such tripe!



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by FEMA
I am a Captain firefighter and you do not honor the memory of the brothers and sisters who fell that horrific day by postulating such tripe!


Not that I believe the fireman murdered, but how would you know unless such questions were raised?



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 12:19 AM
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Well, for a start, one could look at the tape. Then, against all likely odds, one could apply common sense and the powers of observation.



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 12:31 AM
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I watched the video.
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It looked like a syringe to me.


I don't know if it was a syringe, but when I looked at the video it sure looked like one.



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 12:40 AM
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I can't even believe I'm answering this it is so utterly simple. In the one clip I saw a hand-held radio antenna.

The clip you show is nothing other than part of his PPE being held in bare hands at the ready as protocol requires. Stop the frame has his hand enters it, not after it has traveled away from the camera.



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 01:11 AM
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Okay here is every frame from the video where the 'syringe looking' object appears.











posted on Nov, 15 2005 @ 02:15 PM
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Regardless of this specific video, what about the explosions many firemen heard before the towers collapsed? What about the black boxes that a worker reported taking two FBI type to on an atv? What about the fact that the EPA said the air was alright to breath at ground zero during cleanup when it clearly wasn't. Also what about the seismograph at Columbia that registered two large spikes just before each building went down. There is plenty of blame for those behind this "New Pearl Harbor."



posted on Nov, 15 2005 @ 02:33 PM
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The guy supposedly being injected doesn't even react to the needle. Go shove a syringe in to somebody's back and see if they don't react.

Peace



posted on Nov, 15 2005 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by FEMA
Well, for a start, one could look at the tape. Then, against all likely odds, one could apply common sense and the powers of observation.


You missed my point entirely. I don't think the fireman was murdered. I was saying there is nothing disrespectful in discussing whether or not the man was murdered; if he was, it would be disrespectful not to, and we cannot know whether or not he was without discussing it.



posted on Nov, 15 2005 @ 09:25 PM
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BsBray, Listen, I understand the difference between a valid question and a lame troll. The previous poster "gets it." Asking such a question in the face of immutable fact - those firefighters were all accounted for "after" the collapse via the documentary crew - is nothing less than a troll at the expense of their memories and efforts that horrific day.

While I generally stay cool and thick-skinned on things, the thought of some pimple-faced kid pecking out a conspiracy theory which insults, assails, maligns and/or sullies the memories, losses, or that those men had responded to do any other thing than their job that horrific day, well, don't expect me to let you off the mat. I won't.

AND, to the rocket scientist who asked about the explosions heard before the buildings came down; people said they could hear it on the tape - have you ever heard the sound of a human body hitting solid concrete at a terminal velocity of 120 mph? I have! It sounds exactly like an explosion, because it is!

I have written paper after paper providing prosaic explanations of the fall of the towers, how people were burned on the first floor and basement, explosions, forces, the science of fire and on and on - they don't want to know. Their mind is made up because the do research by proclamation!

I teach fire science at a fire college, I'm a TF - Trainer facilitator, I'm an active Captain, I understand building structure and failure, am trained in fire origin and determination . . . but what the hell would I know? Better to listen to fools than someone who actually knows.

As you may have guessed, yes, I'm angry. Dang angry, because people while they say they are asking questions because they want answers ARE actually stating things that are false then asking how it could be so.

Lastly, I'm not about to tell who I am, you'll not know my name or where I work because I do not need any silly people calling wanting to talk, or wanting a nut-shell education on the constituents of fire and structures so they can take half of an understanding and say an expert told them.

I will however, answer questions here so long as they are valid, and not he-said or she-said, or I heard questions. Get statements of fact then ask away. Or ask about common perceptions, but be specific. Try and limit to one at a time.

Okay, I'm back to being calm now. Thanks for letting me blow off some steam.

Kindest regards.



posted on Nov, 15 2005 @ 09:31 PM
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No intentions to upset you, but I'm glad you were at least able to blow off some steam.


Best wishes.



posted on Nov, 15 2005 @ 09:38 PM
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Thanks partner. It's tough when you're a firefighter to read some of this stuff is all I'm saying. I know you understand, and thanks for letting "me" off the mat.

Kindest regards.



posted on Nov, 15 2005 @ 09:58 PM
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So.....


Why would fireman want to kill a Priest?

Regardless what the video may or may not show, why the hell would you:



  1. Go to the trouble of sending a team into the Towers to "rescue" someone
  2. Then kill them
  3. And then retrieve the body....


Why not either just leave him in there, because if it was a cover up then they would have known the towers were coming down anyway? Or failing that, if they really, really had to top the priest, why not just kill him and leave the body in there?

Seems like alot of work to go too, if you ask me.

I dont buy the official story of the WTC anyway and I am convinced there was some sort of coverup, but the scenario described above makes bugger all sense.



posted on Nov, 15 2005 @ 11:07 PM
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This firefighter or someone dressed in turnout gear using a needle on a brother is crazy! For one thing he wouldnt be sticking him in the back through his kevlar/nomax coat. If the coat didnt break the needle, the firefighters back muscles would have.

No one of the brotherhood had anything to do with people dying on 911!!! Except maybe getting themselves killed trying to rescue others!

Captain, welcome to the forum try and not get your bunker-pants in a bunch over this stuff, I have run code to some pretty nasty scenes myself.

This forum is no different, you first have to make sure the scene is safe, then make sure you are wearing your BSI!


P.S. Keep the wet on the red.

[edit on 15-11-2005 by LoneGunMan]



posted on Nov, 15 2005 @ 11:28 PM
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Thank you lonegunman. Yes, I did go off a bit quickly. Hope I've left the impression that I apologized just as quickly.

I'll certainly show greater restraint in the future.

"Captain FEMA is standing down."



posted on Nov, 15 2005 @ 11:57 PM
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I dont blame you, people shouldnt promote something like fire/rescue being shown doing something nasty unless you are sure of it. I cant imagine being onscene at the 911 site. Those boys were all heroes! Hurts right in the gut everytime I think about them boys hustle'in down them stairs wearing their scotts and turnout gear, just to have it fall on them.


"Courage is not the absence of fear, but the feeling there is something more important than fear"

That something is being there, 24 hours a day, to be the guy to really make that difference, (playing with the siren is pretty fun too!) its that look they give you when they think they were all done and you brought em back! Thats why those boys died that day...all 343, God I love em!



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 02:02 AM
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Originally posted by stumason

Why would fireman want to kill a Priest?



  1. Go to the trouble of sending a team into the Towers to "rescue" someone
  2. Then kill them
  3. And then retrieve the body....



And then to make sure the whole incident is caught on film.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 05:00 AM
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There is no way that is a syringe. The web site even says it looks like the antennae but more metallic, the reason it looks more metallic is due to the Grey ash failing and covering the black antennae. The Grey ash just give it the appearance of metal.

What a pathetic attempt to call attention to the tragedies of 9/11 as a conspiracy against the New York Fire department.







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