Denmark On Muhammeds Naughty List

It looks like SOME Newspapers/Tabloids, are not watching what is going on, like in Switzerland and Hungary.

And whats troubeling is the last Paragraph, said by the Danish police, stating that this Case could Escalate into something bigger...

Originally posted by Souljah
And whats troubeling is the last Paragraph, said by the Danish police, stating that this Case could Escalate into something bigger...

Yes, if people don't start to chill out, and start thinking/acting more creative in a positive way, instead of the 'normal' agressive, shortminded, destructive way, that humans tend to do. -Some unfortunate event might pour even more gas on the fire.

Just wanted to add to Souljahs last add, to clarify, if ANYONE thought something else. -Danish police IS NOT stating that something bigger in 'planned'. They are just worried for stupid peoples actions!

It bothers me.

Originally posted by Riwka

The group's announcement noted that should Denmark and Europe fail to apologies, "We'll abduct and hurt all citizens of the European countries who hurt Islam's feelings and honor."

Well then I guess the EU should pull out of Gaza and take the hundreds of million in annual aid with them. They're biting the hands that feed them.

No country that provides freedom of speech can provide freedom from being offended or insulted

No "speech" that is noncontroversial and doesn't offend or bother anyone needs to be protected. It's the speech that people do find offensive is what the freedom is all about.

I predict a bombing in Copenhagen within 2 weeks... We have already been warned by an islamic group. *Sigh*


Not fun having to go to Denmarks largest trainstation each day...

Originally posted by Deep_Blue
at least they never offended Christianity or Judaism. (If they jail a Christian they didn’t offend his religion).

So, are you saying the Islamic world would be less offended if they just jailed all people who follow Islam? Get real!

Jailing someone for their religious beliefs is offensive!!!

Long live free speech!!

-- Boat

Krekar declares war!

Related link:
Nettavisen

Why Norway haven't expelled this 'Norways answer to Imam Laban', is beyond my understanding/tolerance.

He is continuously conspiring of high-treason to the norwegian democratic monarchy. OUT, I say!

"-If the dansih or the norwegian government are sorry, or not, doesn't mean anything. This is an declaration of war."

"The war has begun." He continues.

[edit on 2-2-2006 by Ulvetann]

Originally posted by Deep_Blue
you dont realize that all Arab countries expect Saudi Arabia are all under secular goverments.
do you realize that it in Arab countries: Alchool , Ham, ...Put list here .., ... are all allowed .

That is completely false!

-- Boat

Here's a good cartoon:

Here´s the story. Free speech is one thing, but what about truth? Is this the reason why they shut down embassies, boycotting Danish goods and are ready to bomb Denmark? Why is this man saying one thing in Denmark (public on television) and then he say the complete opposite on Al Jazeera?

The Counterterrorism Blog: Fabricated cartoons worsened Danish controversy

February 02, 2006


However, the Danish Muslim delegation showed much more than the 12 cartoons published by Jyllands Posten. In the booklet it presented during its tour of the Middle East, the delegation included other cartoons of Mohammed that were highly offensive, including one where the Prophet has a pig face. But these additional pictures were NOT published by the newspaper, but were completely fabricated by the delegation and inserted in the booklet (which has been obtained and made available to me by Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet). The delegation has claimed that the differentiation was made to their interlocutors, even though the claim has not been independently verified. In any case, the action was a deliberate malicious and irresponsible deed carried out by a notorious Islamist who in another situation had said that “mockery against Mohamed deserves death penalty.” And in a quintessential exercise in taqiya, Abu Laban has praised the boycott of Danish goods on al Jazeera, while condemning it on Danish TV.

The Al-Aksa Martyrs’ Brigades (affiliated with Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party) who shut down the European Union's office on Thursday gave an 8:00 pm deadline for European governments to apologize for the publication of a cartoon depicting Muhammed in a Danish newspaper.

After that time, said a terrorist, “any citizens of these countries who are present in Gaza will put themselves in danger”. European doctors and other nationals would become targets for attack, according to a report on Channel 2.
source

This deadline ended half an hour ago; no EU government apologized.

Foreign diplomats and journalists began pulling out of the Palestinian areas and the European Union closed down its offices in Gaza City and ordered its staff to leave the city out of fear for their lives.

Spain, Germany, Hungary, Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, the Netherlands and Italy - have printed the cartoons, often as a gesture in defence of free speech - The BBC today showed the images on today's One O'Clock News bulletin and on the News 24 channel; no other British news organisation had previously shown the cartoons.


Al- Jazeera news network just reported that a German citizen was kidnapped in Nablus this evening in response to the printing of caricatures of the Islamic prophet Mohammed in some European newspapers.

UPDATE:

PA police found the four kidnappers and the German, arrested two of the gunmen and freed the hostage. The whole incident lasted less than an hour.

[edit on 2-2-2006 by Riwka]

It looks like Buy Danish is taking off in the U.S.:

Article (in Danish)

Blog with English Translation

Next time I go to the grocery store, I'm going to make a point to buy Danish products

Sorry in advance for the messy post, it was from an e-mail that was being circulated lately. Apparently from an atricle in a British newspaper.

I find that it is relevant to the discussion and i'm not going to read all the T&C's for posting rules etc etc (yes, freedom of speech in certain forms is prohibited on ATS )

So anyways, here we go...

>>Story in a National Newspaper


>>Will we still be the Country of choice and still be Gt Britain if
>>we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from
>>other countries that came to live in Britain because it is the
>>Country of Choice??????
>>Think about it . .
>>All I have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS?
>>I celebrate Christmas, but because it isn't celebrated by everyone,
>>we can no longer say Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's
>>Greetings. It's not Christmas holiday, it's Winter Break. Isn't it
>>amazing how this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas

>>holiday? We've gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to
>>not offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it seems that
>>no one has a problem with that.
>>This says it all!
>>This is an editorial written by an
>>British citizen, published in a
>>National newspaper He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!
>>IMMIGRANTS,
>>NOT BRITS MUST ADAPT.
>>I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we
>>are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist
>>attacks on the 7th of the 7th we have experienced a surge
>>in patriotism by the majority
>>of Brits. However, the disgust about the attacks had
>>barely settled when the "politically correct! " crowd began
>>complaining about
>>the possibility
that our patriotism was offending others.
>>I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone
>>who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain, Our population
>>is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. (The
>>Danes, Romans ect.) However, there
>>are a few things that those
>>who have recently come to
>>our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.
>>This idea of the Brits being a
>>multicultural community
>>has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national
>>identity. As Britain's we
>>have our own culture, our
>>own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture
>>has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and
>>victories by millions of men and women who
have sought freedom.
>>We speak ENGLISH, not Indian, Urdu, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
>>Russian, or any other language
>>Therefore, if you wish to become part
>>of our society, learn the language!
>>"Land of Hope & Glory" is our motto. This is not some Christian,
>>right wing, political slogan We adopted this motto because
>>Christian men and women,
>>on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
>>documented.
>>It is certainly appropriate to display it
>>on the walls of our schools. If God
>>offends you, then I suggest you
>>consider another part of the world as
>>your new home, because God is part
>>of our culture.
>>If the 'Union Jack' flag offends you, or
>>you don't like our QUEEN, then
you
>>should seriously consider a move
>>to another part of this planet. We
>>are happy with our culture and have
>>no desire to change, and we really
>>don't care how you did things where
>>you came from. This is
>>OUR COUNTRY,
>>our land, and our lifestyle. Our Laws give every citizen the
>>right to express his opinion and we
>>will allow you every opportunity to do so!
>>But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our
>>flag,
>>our lifestyle our government, or our
>>way of life, I highly encourage you
>>take advantage of one other great BRITISH freedom,
>>THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

I found this to be a very thought provoking e-mail, and i'm glad someone decided to publish this article, as it tells it like it is

[edit on 2-2-2006 by Snoopdopey]

Originally posted by Deep_Blue
[Freespeech is necessary , but in my opinion Unlimited free speech with no boundaries is destructive.
[edit on 1-2-2006 by Deep_Blue]

But who is to set the boundaries on what is acceptable, you, me, John Kerry, George Bush? The whole point of free speech is then defeated. This is what these islamic fanactics want. You can say whatever bad things about Christianity, Judaism, Hundusism, etc....but you can't say anything about islam. Basically, they want you to shut your pie hole unless it's about someone else, or in their favor.

Of course now the Danes are now reaping what they have sown for their choices in free speech. I, for one though, shall buy Danish products whenever I get the chance.

Here are some good Danish products for those who can legally drink alcohol (all sites available in english) :

Aalborg Akvavit

Gammel Dansk (I like this one)

Tuborg

Carlsberg

Originally posted by Boatphone

Originally posted by Deep_Blue
you dont realize that all Arab countries expect Saudi Arabia are all under secular goverments.
do you realize that it in Arab countries: Alchool , Ham, ...Put list here .., ... are all allowed .

That is completely false!

"That is completely wrong" .. and what?? go on and explain your statement and support it with some proofs . Or do you think that you are smart enough to disprove TRIVIAL FACTS with one line statement?

Ignorant is what I hate and what I hate more is insistence on it,
Iam Arabic I live in the Arab world I damn know infinitely better than you about Arabic countries. THEY ARE SECULAR GOVERMENTS. I am Allowed to drink all kinds of ALCOHOL and eat HAM ...etc in:
JORDAN, PALESTINE , EGYPT , Syria , Lebanon , UAE , TUNISIA , MOROCO .............. etc

Non of the Arabic countries have an Islamic constitution except Saudi Arabia . Go and do some research and read the constitutions of all Arab countries.

Deep Blue,

You are making a general statement that is not fully correct. Here is an example from U.A.E. law.

Drinking or possession of alcohol without a Ministry of Interior liquor permit is illegal and could result in arrest and/or fines and imprisonment. Alcohol is served at bars in most major hotels but is intended for guests of the hotel. Persons who are not guests of the hotel, and who consume alcohol in the restaurants and bars, technically are required to have their own personal liquor licenses. Liquor licenses are issued only to non-Muslim persons who possess UAE residency permits.

The Link.

Anyway this is a bit off topic...

-- Boat

Here is a little more information for you "Deep Blue"...

The importation and use of alcohol, pork products and pornography is illegal in Kuwait. Kuwaiti customs officials routinely screen travellers' baggage for such materials.

I suggest you educate yourself better on this issue.

-- Boat

Originally posted by simtek 22
But who is to set the boundaries on what is acceptable, you, me, John Kerry, George Bush? The whole point of free speech is then defeated. This is what these islamic fanactics want. You can say whatever bad things about Christianity, Judaism, Hundusism, etc....but you can't say anything about islam. Basically, they want you to shut your pie hole unless it's about someone else, or in their favor.

first you cannot say any criticism about Judaism and Israel , for example in the western world you cannot deny the right of Israel to exist nor you can say that the Jewish temple never existed. and both of these things are directly related to Judaism religion.
The boundaries from my point of view are:

1) Fairness & Equality :

you have to treat all religions equally , either you prohibit offending all religions or you allow offending them all equally.

Originally posted by Deep_Blue

Israel Shamir's Publisher Jailed And Fined In France

On Wednesday, the court in Nanterre sentenced the publiser of "Al Qalam" books to three months in prison and $10,000 euro fine for publishing an "anti Semitic" book by Israel Shamir entitled "The Other Face of Israel." He also prohibited the sale of this book.

The court convicted Abdelila Cherifi Alaoui, of "inciting discrimination and encouraging hate and violence" against another religion.

In addition to the jail term and fine, Al Qalam must pay 12,000 euros damages and 1,500 euros in legal costs to the "International League Against Racism and Anti Semitism."

Finally, the publisher has 30 days to withdraw copies from stores with a penalty for 100 euros for every book remaining after the 30 days.

The Court was motivated by the fact that Shamir always refers to the "Jews" and presents them as dominating the world, as well as being engaged in fomenting a "thrid world war."

www.rense.com...

The writer is christian:

The author who is a Jew who converted to Christianity is accused of being in the mainstream of the anti-Semitic tradition, especially by referring to the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" as a (genuine) "political statement."

www.rense.com...

freespeach huh?
nobody special right

[edit on 1-2-2006 by Deep_Blue]

[edit on 1-2-2006 by Deep_Blue]

2) Respect to other parties :

I believe that under freespeech it is necessary to respect others' race, religion, sex. To avoid any racist , anti-religion or sexist talk that could spread hatred between different parties.
Do these things sound familiar? don’t you have rules in your countries similar to these?

It's satire. Plain and simple.

All the other major religions tolerate it, it's acceptable in western democracy, their just a lot more mature about the whole thing. We have the freedom to poke fun and criticise any belief or ideology going. There isn't anything sinister about it.

I don't believe in Islam. In fact, I think it's a load of tosh. Am I to expect a dozen masked men branding AK-47's outside my house because I disagree with their belief and think their acting like spoilt children over nothing?

Maybe Islam just needs to grow up a bit like the other religions instead of throwing it's bottle out of the pram every time somebody decides to make a comment on it.