Originally posted by Earth Angel
There is the LIGHT you CAN PHYSICALLY SEE as in a light display that is not of a human nature then there is the divine light the universe is made up
What if the universe is made up of something else entirely? Who says it's made up of "divine light" or divine anything for that matter?
Thats is the differance. Nobody has IMPOSED on us because millions of people through prayer and positive thinking have been asking a higher spiritual
force to intervene and help humanity.
So what? Millions of people prayed during and before WWII as well to prevent it from happening, but it did. Millions of people pray all the time
asking for "free lunch" and "something for nothing". Why don't those millions of people DO something about their situation instead of just pray
and hope some higher force takes care of all their problems? That would teach humanity nothing, we'd still be unable to manage our own existance and
civilization, we'd just learn to depend on some higher power to fix everything whenever we screw it up, to save us from ourselves. So it seems very
unwise to interfere and save humanity from anything they themselves brought upon themselves. Not only would we learn nothing, we'd be even more
powerless and more easily deceived and controlled, since we'd learn that we don't have to actually think for ourselves or DO anything at all, just
pray and let someone else take care of us.
This power of thinking positivly has been proven scientifically by a man called Marcel Vogel.
It isn't that the teacher does not respect free will as it IS MY WILL amoungst millions of other people!
No, it is your WISH, your DESIRE, your WANT. Your will is actualized in your actions, but what you're doing is asking a savior to come and make your
life better, because you and millions of others choose to DO nothing. Do you know what happens when a child is always protected by his parents, when a
child is not allowed to come to harm and is pampered? That child often has serious problems adapting to real life later on, learning to take care of
himself and be able to function in this world without being taken care of by someone else.
People can think positively all they want, but nothing will change until they DO something about their condition instead of just sitting there and
hoping someone else comes in and does it for them. People have been thinking positively for millenia, it has never changed a thing about this world.
Positive thinking may have an effect, but that effect apparently does not actually help change our reality, only disguse it as someting else.
Our WILL is being acknowledged. When you have seen the angelic lights yourself as well as many other witnesses where you live which is what has
happend on several occasions where I live...you will KNOW aswell!
Who says those lights are "angelic"? What if they are something else entirely?
If someone wants to communicate to you but they can't speak to you face to face and they can't speak to you via channeling then the next best thing
is to communicate by making you feel.
Not if they wish to respect your free will they won't. They can't WANT to communicate with anyone unless they are self-serving beings, because want
is a selfish concept, it does not exist for beings who serve others. Second of all, feelings are deceptive, any being can make you feel in any way,
feelings do not amount to objective understanding of who you're communicating with and what the nature or purpose of that communication is - but
feelings can certainly make you BELIEVE something, and that is the entire point.. As such, it is only a manipulation of you and your thoughts, just a
control mechanism. Beings who serve others do not make anyone feel in any way, they do not even initiate communication without the other being
initiating it themselves (like attempting to channel, etc). Second, feelings can be induced in any number of means and do not actually TELL you
anything, they do not help you learn anything except that something somewhere (inside or outside of you) is making you feel a certain way. This
doesn't help you to know who or what and why, and only violates your free will, not much more.
Why should they be ignored? Why would they not communicate and just go ahead and do what they are going to do?
Why should they be answered, why should anyone do anything? Why do we presume that we don't have to fix our own problems and learn to deal with life,
and why do we assume that someone is supposed to take care of us and prevent us from coming to harm, prevent us from making mistakes and learning from
them? That wouldn't help us, would it? We're not helpless children unless we act like helpless children, but that is only our choice, it is not the
universe's responsibility to pamper us and prevent us from coming to harm and/or dying.
That would be far more imposing if there was no given explination to what was happening, then it will feel as if we were being taken over but by
approching us an explaining what is happening it is less threatining that way.
Yes but they can be lying to us, it could be just another deception, just another way to control us by making the gullible believe the lie. The
problem is, if we wish to understand what is happening, we cannot rely on someone to come in and just tell us and assume it is the truth. We have to
figure it out ourselves, this is why we have brains, this is why we have the capacity to think, learn, investigate, experiment, and grow. Every now
and then we mess up, and that's ok. Sometimes we mess up really big, and that's ok too. It's not imposing to not give an explanation for what is
happening - it would be imposing to not allow us to figure it out ourselves, to prevent us from learning and growing by coming in and explaining
everything to us. That and, we'd have no way of knowing whether their explanation is accurate or true in any way.
If we went to Africa and just started shoving needles into people with no explination they would feel threatened and inposed on and like they have no
choice. If we say hey we have medicine and we are coming to help you if you want it, you now were here for you! Then it will be much more acceptable.
It is the same principel! No=one will do anything millions of people don't want but as most of us want help it is starting to materialize.
If most of us actually DID something about the problem, there'd also be no need for help. So as I understand of your use of this analogy, this is
their idea of a "cosmic cure" in a certain sense that they are offering to us if we want it? Well another problem here is, people have a tendency to
want to do nothing and get everything if they could - it is human nature. Does it mean that those beings should oblige to our inherently selfish and
lazy human nature and simply give us what we want just because we want it but don't feel like figuring out how to acquire it ourselves? Most people
want something for nothing, they want wisdom and knowledge without effort of critical thought, research, and experience; they want money without
working; they want pleasure without sacrifice or effort; basically they just WANT.
But just because someone wants something, doesn't mean someone else should give it to them. Many times that would only spoil the person and make them
even more selfish and more reliant on others to sustain their existance.
Why do you think the statues cried tears of milk a few years ago and although it isn't in the media any more continue to do so.
There can be many reasons for that. My hypothesis is that it was a deception/manipulation on the part of some higher forces to prompt people into
emotional worship frenzies. Because that is all the effect it had, people did not start dealing with the issues facing humanity any more than they
ever have, they just came in droves to touch the statue and pray some more, and became even stronger believers as a result. And it is humanity's
tendency to believe what they wanna believe instead of seek truth that lies at the heart of all our problems today. Without this tendency, governments
could never deceive populations and lead them into wars of conquest under guise of deception. So the statues only promoted further ignorance and
belief, promoted emotions and prayer instead of rational critical thinking and DOING something, promoted powerlessness instead of the power of ACTION
and power to figure things out ourselves.
So If i am delusional so are many thousands of others thats all i can say!
Well you probably know that millions of believers does not make something true.
The shift of light is coming waking up to the rest of our DNA that allows sensitive perception and communication with other beings and worlds.
That's one possibility. Another possibility is that it will only change the DNA and level of awareness of SOME people, while everyone else remains
unchanged. Nothing in nature happens for no reason.
The shift of light is a spiritual positive energy touching many souls. It is the very power of positivity form heaven or the spirit world
Just don't forget that many people are very positive about killing and manipulating others, they think it is a great thing and some people need to be
killed so that others can live. The Nazis were very happy to exterminate other populations for their own benefit, it was seen as a positive
development. So the point is not to judge something as positive and something as negative, but to see if there is any objective reality to either one
of these words, and if there is, what it is. Because until one is able to SEE this, it is merely an illusion, just as it is for most people who call
everything that they LIKE "positive", and anything that upsets them as "negative". And of course we know that many people have different likes and
dislikes, many of them being entirely contradictory.
So then when applying this understanding to thinking, what you call "positive thinking" can in fact be anything but! Calling something positive does
not make it so. Yet unless you understand objective reality instead of creating subjective judgements and trying to make reality conform to them, you
will remain unable to escape the global illusion pulled over our eyes by the "powers that be".
Using "positive" and "negative" like "good" and "bad" is subjective, and as such, an illusion. Everyone has their own version of what is
positive and what is negative. For example, our government thinks war is positive, invasion and takeover of other nations for personal profit is
positive, deceiving entire populations is positive. Many would disagree. However, I neither agree nor disgree - I don't judge it as negative or
positive, I simply look at what it IS objectively, what the souce of it is, and what the effects of it are. Then all I decide is whether it is
something I wish to contribute to or not. Just becasue something is painful or deceptive does not make it bad or negative, unless you choose to view
it as such. For example, in the animal world animals always disguse themselves and camouflage themselves (deception) in order to trap/kill/eat other
animals (pain/death). It is not a negative thing, it is what makes the world tick.
Likewise, humans constantly manipulate one another, fight, kill, wage wars for profit and greed, etc. It is not negative or positive, it is simply
human nature, it is what humans have always done. But it doesn't make us evil, bad, or negative. It does make us selfish, however. That is objective,
and that is at the root of most things we do on this planet. You can define selfishness as negativity, and selflessness as positivity if you wish,
that is one way to look at it, and it would at least be an objective definition not a subjective one. If someone is smiling and laughing while they
deceive you or stab you in the heart, does it make them a positive person because they do it happily? Light or no light, it is really our actions that
define who we are, and often our "inaction" as well.
[edit on 1-12-2005 by lilblam]