The media are minimising US and British war crimes in Iraq

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posted on Dec, 16 2005 @ 05:22 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Many of the people which were speaking against my viewpoint are a living proof of that.

Pot calling kettle...
Come in kettle this is pot.....your black.....




posted on Dec, 16 2005 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Well I am sure that if you do not fid these NEWS satisfactory for your delicate consevative pro-war senses, that you only reaction would be as expected.

Again, when there is a dearth of logic to add to your argument it is either insults or histrionics, either way your side of the debate has well and truly ended.


Too bad you did not Comment ANY of the QUOTES written bellow, which really speak much more then your empty words all togather.

Infact I have commented on 3 of those links that you posted as the NEWS and pointed out the flaws in each one! How come you havent come up with a defense for that ?


Again, you have missed the POINT and started to snipe me and my nationality, which has NOTHING to do with this Thread. We did not invade Iraq. We did not sell Saddam weapons and technology. We did not put him and the Ba'athist into power. We did not give him alot of money.

So it hurts does it ??
I never would have guessed !
True, your country did not do many things just as the US has not done many things that you have accused it of doing. what you state as proof has been shown to be far from proof and mere insinutaions, yet you accuse the US of wrong doings and never submit to the facts you are confronted with.
As Slovenia has done nothing to stop Saddam Hussein and him acquiring weapons, it is their fault as well to stop somthing that was wrong and by inaction Slovenia are as guilty as Saddam and his supporters.
How is that line of reason ??


No comment on the Numbers, how BILLIONS of dollars are spent for MEANINGLESS things, while the 2/3 of world population suffers?

Africa is not 2/3rds of the world and secondly, those numbers mean nothing because they are not true ! Just Socialist drivel against the hardworking capitalists of this world.



I suggest you start with The Corporation.
There you will find out interesting FACTS -


THE CORPORATION ??? You mean the movie ? this is your source on "FACTS" :
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When you are confronted with FACTS you always resort to two things:
- insults
- denial

Here's a movie for YOU :
Look Who's Talking


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posted on Dec, 16 2005 @ 06:47 AM
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I feel compelled to add to last the poster replying to the person complaining about Billions being spent on crapola.

Well now if the west wasnt forced to spend a collective Trillion or more on Military/Defence and home security because of Islamofascist organizations the worlds hungry and needy would of got a fair share of this money.

The worlds economy was actually pretty much booming until the west had to throw money at the military, and this booming economy would of no doubt benefited all, but i guess to late now, terrorist organisations/states not only kill the innocent but they starve them to.



posted on Dec, 16 2005 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by IAF101
Again, when there is a dearth of logic to add to your argument it is either insults or histrionics, either way your side of the debate has well and truly ended.

Very Well - don't bother posting in my Threads then.

You CAN create your OWN you know?



Infact I have commented on 3 of those links that you posted as the NEWS and pointed out the flaws in each one! How come you havent come up with a defense for that ?

Why are thy FLAWS?

Becase YOU said so?

Because it is Socialistis Propaganda?

I belive the ONLY news you find Reliable are those from the Faux "News", right?

Or, maybe, some .gov, .mil sites, right?



As Slovenia has done nothing to stop Saddam Hussein and him acquiring weapons, it is their fault as well to stop somthing that was wrong and by inaction Slovenia are as guilty as Saddam and his supporters.
How is that line of reason ??

What Does Slovenia have to do with Anything here?

Why are you diverting the Topic?



Just Socialist drivel against the hardworking capitalists of this world.

Your REACTION to every my Post is exactly like that.

How do you expect I should take you for a "serious" opponent, when your decision was already made, since I post just Socialist drivel against the hardworking capitalists?

HARDWORKING CAPITALISTS?!?

Sure.



THE CORPORATION ??? You mean the movie ? this is your source on "FACTS" :

It is NOT a Movie - it is a Documentary.

And an Excellent one too - the FACT that he won 25 International Awards, only points to that Quality of this documentary.

But HEY - I guess you made your Decision in ADVANCE yet again, even before watching it.



posted on Dec, 16 2005 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Why are you diverting the Topic?


No kidding... God forbid someone disagree with this nut case. If you do you are just diverting the topic from his slanderous, uninformed, misconception of the world around us.




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posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by LostSailor
No kidding... God forbid someone disagree with this nut case. If you do you are just diverting the topic from his slanderous, uninformed, misconception of the world around us.


Hey Mister Marine,
ofcourse YOUR Perception of the World around us is 100% Correct - am I right?

Anybody that DISAGREES with your "Perception" is Slanderous and Uniformed.

Thats deep, coming from a country, which ranks 44th on the World Press Freedom Index - somewhere between Macedonia and Bolivia.




posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 08:33 AM
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souljah , please explain what you mean by "not importatnt?
Do you making our lives easier while others suffer, if so why is it our buisness to help?
Why please give me one reason why?



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
souljah , please explain what you mean by "not importatnt?
Do you making our lives easier while others suffer, if so why is it our buisness to help?
Why please give me one reason why?

Regarding which of my posts is this Question related to?



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Regarding which of my posts is this Question related to?

The one about us spending billions on "unimportant things."



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by Souljah
Regarding which of my posts is this Question related to?

The one about us spending billions on "unimportant things."

You mean how,

Pet foods in Europe and the United States cost 17 BILLION $,

while Basic health and nutrition for everyone in the world is 13 BILLION $?

PETS get more Money then the Starving World?

You mean those "Unimportant" things?



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
You mean how,

Pet foods in Europe and the United States cost 17 BILLION $,

while Basic health and nutrition for everyone in the world is 13 BILLION $?

PETS get more Money then the Starving World?

You mean those "Unimportant" things?

Is it the duty of everyone in europe and the US to feed the rest of the world?

Just asking, hwo is supposed to pay this 13 billion? The US?
Europe?



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Very Well - don't bother posting in my Threads then.

You CAN create your OWN you know?

Why? So you can continue to spread lies against the US and its people ??



Why are thy FLAWS?

Because I have shown them to be lacking in common sense! Lacking to the point of absurdity.


What Does Slovenia have to do with Anything here?
Why are you diverting the Topic?

My mention of Slovenia was rhetorical !
Anyway, Why is that soley your prerogative ??



Your REACTION to every my Post is exactly like that.

Doesnt that make you wonder why ??



How do you expect I should take you for a "serious" opponent, when your decision was already made, since I post just Socialist drivel against the hardworking capitalists?

The Seriousness of my opposition lies in the fact that I have dilligently rebutted every peice of malice ridden propaganda against the US that you have tried to subject the members of ATS to.
My decision was made by YOUR quoting and accusing the US for every problem under the sun !



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by Souljah
You mean how,

Pet foods in Europe and the United States cost 17 BILLION $,

while Basic health and nutrition for everyone in the world is 13 BILLION $?

PETS get more Money then the Starving World?

You mean those "Unimportant" things?

Is it the duty of everyone in europe and the US to feed the rest of the world?

Just asking, hwo is supposed to pay this 13 billion? The US?
Europe?

You just don't get it, do you?

13 Billion $ is already SPENT for ALL the Hungry people in the World - which is LESS then the "Civilize West" spends for their PETS!

You call that Fair?

Priorities of this world are just #ED up.

Severly.

Especially if around 800 Billion $ is spent on the Military - which makes more money, then any of other cathergories combined.

Yeah, that will solve all the world problems - MORE GUNZ!



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posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
Is it the duty of everyone in europe and the US to feed the rest of the world?

Just asking, hwo is supposed to pay this 13 billion? The US?
Europe?

Now now, let's not interject logic into Souljah's rants

In his perfect world, the US and all of it's resources, 100% of everything, will be used to support the world including the extremists and the terrorists of the world. Then when that is done, all of the western world drop dead.
Notice how, in a previous post that I gave on this thread that demonstrated just how the islamic news organizations minimize what they consider too contriversial, I got no response.
As long as the news is negative towards Americans then in souljah's eyes, it is 100% true. If the news shows the US in a good light, or extremists / terrorists or comunist/socialist in a bad light, then that news, again in souljah's eyes, is wrong or even better yet..... was caused by the US. You the CIA is behind every evil in the world



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
You just don't get it, do you?

13 Billion $ is already SPENT for ALL the Hungry people in the World - which is LESS then the "Civilize West" spends for their PETS!

You call that Fair?

Fair?
Since when was life FAIR?
Was it fair my dreams about joining the RN where screwed up when I failed the test?
Was it fair that UK soldiers died in NI?


Priorities of this world are just #ED up.

Severly.

Not to us, frankly the world isnt fair and when we try and make it fair we get # on.


Especially if around 800 Billion $ is spent on the Military - which makes more money, then any of other cathergories combined.

Oh and I suppose the military does NOTHING to help and save people, I take it the RAF doesnt conduct S+R operations for the ENTIRE of the UK since the UK coastguard is entirely reservist , yes thats right.
I bet you didnt know it was RAF helicopters that saved all the people from boscastle when the flash flood hit.


Yeah, that will solve all the world problems - MORE GUNZ!

Oh come on , the military doesnt spend 800 billion dollars on guns, your ignorance to what the military actually does is astounding.
I bet you didnt know the military also where the UK's only fire service when the CIVI fire service went on strike.

Yes thats right, they where sent in with 1950's tech and told to stop the fires with nothing more than thier basic training while the fire service stood back and watched.

www.operations.mod.uk...
Thats your murders souljah....thats the people you claim are "one in the same", that baby she is holding was saved by Royal Navy fire fighting crews in southampton......



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
Since when was life FAIR?


Accepting injustice de facto is weakness. Yes life is unfair. That is why we must struggle.



just #ED up.


c'mon... there's youngin's amoungst us.




Oh and I suppose the military does NOTHING to help and save people,


Why must assertions be made with pointed sarcasm?



your ignorance [...] is astounding.


Uhhh... flame?

Perhaps one might try something from the positive?



Yes thats right, they where sent in with 1950's tech and told to stop the fires with nothing more than thier basic training while the fire service stood back and watched.


I do not think anyone is arguing that the armed forces never performed a benevoleng act. The discussion is whether or not "THE MEDIA" are minimising coalition war crimes.

Personally I think it goes without saying that the Mass Media minimizes war crimes. Big business benefits from war, thats a bottom line. The media is a tool used to promote nationalism in times of war just like the soldier is the tool used to shoot bullets. Check out "Propaganda - Jacques Ellul" the link is clear.

Surprised no one broke from the banter to comment on "...the wrinkle scorn forming on the brow of the mindless zealot."

Rasta vibrations,

Sri Oracle



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by Sri Oracle
Accepting injustice de facto is weakness. Yes life is unfair. That is why we must struggle.

Weakness of what?






Why must assertions be made with pointed sarcasm?

Because I decided it must.



Uhhh... flame?

Pointing out a fact.


Perhaps one might try something from the positive?

Like what? Reason , tried that didnt work..now I work by questions.


I do not think anyone is arguing that the armed forces never performed a benevoleng act.

Souljah is if you have seen his posts.


Personally I think it goes without saying that the Mass Media minimizes war crimes.

It is done by both sides.



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 06:53 PM
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"It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word of — and the allegations — by people who were held in detention, people who hate America, people that had been trained in some instances to disassemble — that means not tell the truth."
George W. Bush, on an Amnesty International report on prisoner abuse at Guantanamo Bay, Washington, D.C., May 31, 2005

Could it be that the Corporate Media of the West are also "Trained to Disassemble"?



"I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe — I believe what I believe is right."
Rome, Italy, July 22, 2001

Errr... Okey.



"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."
Washington, D.C. June 18, 2002

I am glad we got that Straightened out.

Finally.

"Can we win? I don't think you can win it."
after being asked whether the war on terror was winnable, "Today" show interview, Aug. 30, 2004

Well that's pretty Pesimistic, isn't it Mister President?




posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 07:01 PM
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Going back to the "qoutes war"?
Why not answer the questions I asked, what about the picture I showed?



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
Fair?
Since when was life FAIR?

You're Right!

Let's create even more Un-Fairness and throw it off balance even more!

I wonder what kind of Long Term effect it will have - lets see!





Not to us, frankly the world isnt fair and when we try and make it fair we get # on.

The problem here is, that only "You" decide which Fight is "Fair" and worth your time and efforts - which makes you pretty much narrow minded.



Oh and I suppose the military does NOTHING to help and save people, I take it the RAF doesnt conduct S+R operations for the ENTIRE of the UK since the UK coastguard is entirely reservist , yes thats right.

In the Meantime called Peace - the time to Re-Arms an Re-Group before the next "Big Push" to some God forsaken country, which holds "Terrible Terrorists" which threat the Free World.



Oh come on , the military doesnt spend 800 billion dollars on guns, your ignorance to what the military actually does is astounding.

By GUNZ I ment Weapons in General.

I guess you do not know that Small Arms today are the Real Weapons of Mass Destruction:

- the growing availability of small arms has been a major factor in the increase in the number of conflicts

- in modern conflicts over 80 percent of all casualties have been civilian. 90 percent of these are caused by small arms

- there are around half a billion military small arms around the world

- some 300,000 to half a million people around the world are killed by them each year

- estimates of the black market trade in small arms range from US$2-10 billion a year

- at least 1,134 companies in 98 countries worldwide are involved in some aspect of the production of small arms and/or ammunition

- an extensive report from Oxfam in 1998 revealed that UK involvement in the small arms trade is much higher than previously acknowledged. Between 1995 and 1997, UK sold small arms to over 100 countries.

- "The five permanent members of the UN Security Council—France, Russia, China, the UK, and the USA—together account for 88 per cent of the world’s conventional arms exports; and these exports contribute regularly to gross abuses of human rights."

Fair?

Yet again, the Rich get Richer.



Thats your murders souljah....thats the people you claim are "one in the same", that baby she is holding was saved by Royal Navy fire fighting crews in southampton......

How Cute!



Too bad it has NOTHING to do with the UK forces in Iraq and the Media coverup of their warcrimes.

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