Oh!, it's a "Jihad" in France now is it? I thought it was just a bunch of people letting off steam, which turned into a nationwide copycat event.

Originally posted by skippytjc
No joke. The French government has already outlined an “offer” intended to appease the rioters (jihadists) so they will stop rioting…at the expense of France. That’s called surrender.




[edit on 8-11-2005 by skippytjc]

you sir are correct,

France is basically surrendering to Islamofasisms.


PS France you on you own this time, we have our own massive internal problems.

[edit on 8-11-2005 by Thomas Crowne]

I guess France is well on its way to becoming Vichystan.

What are they thinking? Why don't they call out the military and crush this rebellion?

Originally posted by Britguy
Oh!, it's a "Jihad" in France now is it? I thought it was just a bunch of people letting off steam, which turned into a nationwide copycat event.

Hey, I just report what I read and see. You watch the video link I posted of the "rioters" chanting Jihad statements and rhetoric?

Believe it my friends. Regardless of what started these riots, its all about the Jihad now...

Originally posted by skippytjc
No joke. The French government has already outlined an “offer” intended to appease the rioters (jihadists) so they will stop rioting…at the expense of France. That’s called surrender.
[edit on 8-11-2005 by skippytjc]

Jihadis eh? You including all the White, Afro-Carribean and African rioters in your misguided assumption then?

Why do I get the impression a race war turns you on?

Hey uknumpty, some people see "Jihadists" everywhere. I think it's another form of the old "reds under the bed" paranoia, just another perceived enemy now

Originally posted by Britguy
Hey uknumpty, some people see "Jihadists" everywhere. I think it's another form of the old "reds under the bed" paranoia, just another perceived enemy now

Yet still no response to the video showing the rioters chanting and yelling Jihad slogans. Typical....

I could tell from Chiracs first adress on the situation that they were considering appeasement but i thought they would at least wait until the violence stopped before they started offering deals. What happened to the precondition that violence must end before they talk terms? The rioters are going to see this as a sign of weakness on the part of the French government and if they want something changed in the future they are going to remember that violence worked last time. Oh and I'm not sold on the idea the riots are religious in nature but it hardly matters what they are about. You don't give into anyone that uses violence to get what they want. It will only encourage further violence.

[edit on 8-11-2005 by Sabre262]

Your title needs to be corrected.

Riots are not the same as a war. When we had the Watts riots in the 1960's, it wasn't a war.

The French government hasn't declared war. It hasn't drawn up a treaty with anyone, nor do the rioters have any declared leader or government structure that anyone could make a treaty with. They're bored youth who are easily led and who don't think beyond tomorrow.

They fall prey to people giving them information under misleading sound-bites.

And I don't see that addressing severe social issues is tantamount to surrender, though you might feel that we in America surrendered to the handicapped by putting in access ramps that they forced us to do (actually quite a big issue though you've forgotten it) and surrendered to the Blacks to give them votes and surrendered to the Indians, too, to let them have their children raised according to their own beliefs and not kidnapped and sent to Christian schools.

Your war-mileage may vary.

Originally posted by skippytjc
Yet still no response to the video showing the rioters chanting and yelling Jihad slogans. Typical....

And likewise if I were filmed chanting and yelling slogans for the Tooting Popular Front, you'd assume that the Tooting Popular Front were responsible for all the rioting? Typical...

They resent police searches for "sans-papiers" - illegal immigrants - and the constant threat of deportation hanging over them. They also want the right to vote, even for those without French citizenship.

What!

They resent the fact that the police are searching for illegal immigrants... They should have known that if they moved to France without going through the proper process that they were doing something illegal and that the country would search for people breaking the law.

The right to vote, even though they are not French Citizens!?! Gimme a break.

I think these demands are going a bit far. Maybe those that are there legally, although not french citizens, could have some type of representation, but I think that as far as voting goes, you really should be a citizen of the country.

Edit: Rephrase comment

[edit on 11/8/2005 by DCFusion]

OK, I watched the video link supplied. I didn't see any Jihadist chanting or declared Jihad anywhere in the clip. The 3rd portion of the video was in English (not Dutch and French as the first 2/3) and nowhere was Jihad mentioned. The gentleman being interviewed made the comment that islamic hardliners and organised crime were fueling the riots but no declaration of a Jihad.

Originally posted by Byrd
Your title needs to be corrected.

Riots are not the same as a war. When we had the Watts riots in the 1960's, it wasn't a war.

But thats if you assume that these are just riots. The organization, the preparation, and the actions of the "rioters" are more in tune with a coordinated attack. Factor in the open declarations of Jihad and now its an attack, not a riot. Just because France hasnt reacted as such, does not mean the attackers mean anything less than war.

And yes of course"surrender" is a loose term here, accurate and not accurate at the same time. It can describe the situation depending on what side your opinions falls on here: Riot or Jihadist attack.

For me, this is the first battle in Europe of the new crusades.

Originally posted by skippytjc
No joke. The French government has already outlined an “offer” intended to appease the rioters (jihadists) so they will stop rioting…at the expense of France. That’s called surrender.

Hey, ease up, at least they're sticking to something they know. Wine, cheese, surrender; at least two are viable exports.

The virtual capitulation of the French government is puzzling at best, this is the country that went halfway around the world to bomb Greenpeace, but can't muster the resolve to deal with these miscreants in their own back yard.

Renault can win the Formula One World Championship as well, but all we ever got was the "Le Car" and the "Fuego," how lame was that?

I guess I'll have to go back to reminiscing about Charles De Gaulle and the "Citreon."

Dismissed.


[edit on 8-11-2005 by Major Discrepancy]

Doing something as a reaction to violence rather than peaceful protest is as far as I'm concerned surrender and not just to the rioters but also a surrender of the ideals of democratic process. In a democracy change only happens if you can convice people it's a good idea and peaceful rallies not riots are the way to do this. These appeasements are not going to do any good, just watch as they see it as a sign of weakness and get even bolder in their attacks. They aren't even sure what these people want really...