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Bomb Factory Found in France amid wave of violence

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posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by XyZeR
We've not had riots since then + We don't fear riots here, because unlike France, we didn't concentrate the immigrants in to Banlieu's , here they live amongs us, which means they don't feel as segregated and the dialog between the communities is far better. there is stil a lot of intolerance, hatred and blatant rasism , usualy by dumb "scared" misinformed people.


What about this incident that just happed last night?
I guess things aren't as rosy amongst the muslim population in Belgium as you would like us to believe.

hln.be


[edit on 7-11-2005 by AceOfBase]




posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by Crakeur
here's how you protest your unemployment and poverty:

get a job.
move to an area where there are jobs


these people moved from their homeland to france for a better life and it isn't there. so move again

cold and callous? sure but that's the way you get ahead.

Is it? It doesn't sound like you've really thought this through. How do you suggest people pay the higher rent required to move into an area where they can get a job to pay for the basics in life? Do you really think landlords are going to risk leasing out apartments to unemployed [without a work history] on the grounds that they 'might' get a job to afford the rent? Life isn't that simple.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
Yes, as a matter of fact it IS a religious topic. It is a crime topic as well. Poverty has nothing to do with it. You don't see ANY OTHER POOR PEOPLE BUT MUSLIMS rioting. You don't see the poor french who AREN'T muslims rioting now do you?

NO IT IS NOT!

It's a POVERTY Issue. A Ghetto Issue! You, being an American, should know that! How many Muslims are there in Ghettos in LA? How many in Compton? How many in Watts? How many in Inglewood? And when Rodney King got beat the hell up, were there Muslims Rioting? Why were they Rioting? Becuse they were ANGRY or because they were MUSLIM?



No, actually quite the opposite. I WISH there were no such conection. I wish we could chalk it up to some thing that transended religions - I really do! However, I am not going to sit here with my thumb up my ass and lie to myself that they aren't all Muslims. They ARE all Muslims, and the sooner people accept that FACT the better.

No I don't think you wish that. I think that this French story is very amuzing for you. Hell, these French did not support our war on terror, now they got their own in their own capital cities!

Its just Tailormade for all US Patriots these days, to see these Riots in France and then say: "Hey, I hate to tell you that I told you so - but I told you so!"

And then start with the gool old, send in the Rangers Story.

You know that the French Foreign Legion is ready right?

God knows what will happen, when they hit the streets...

And I already know what you are going to say now: "Fire at Will, Gentlemen!"





Yes, I do hate these Muslims - not because they are Muslim, but because they are barbarians rioting in the streets, destroying peoples hard earned belongings, stoning innocent emergency workers who save lives, etc etc etc.

They are ANGRY KIDS without any FUTURE and without ANYTHING TO LOOSE.

They were Born and Raised as FRENCH, yet they do not have the same OPPORTUNITES as "Other" French.

Why is that AMM?

You call that FAIR?



Me? All I ask is that they do what EVERY OTHER immegrent that has ever lived did - take the bottom of the barrel jobs and work your way up! Is that so hard?!?!?!

They DID take that Road - can't you see that?!?

The Paranets of these Kids worked their asses off in order to Raise these Children, to give them a Better Life and better Job. But still, with the Collegge degree and with a Wish for a better Job, they do not get it! Simply becuse France is institutionally Racist. They do not offer the Same Opportunites to all the People. Some of the are Left to Rot in the poorest Slums of France.

And now the Entire World knows about them.



Just stating the OBVIOUS - there are Muslim riots all around Paris (and other parts of Europe now I hear) and it has NOTHING to do with poverty, simply put, it is the bad faction of a religion making a bad name for the rest of them.

It has EVERYTHING to do with Poverty.

The sooner you realize that, the better.

And if you checked the News, Islamic religion does not Identify with these Riots, because the Highest Muslim Organization in France issued a Fatwa against the Rioters and the Riots.

What does that tell you?



If you can't see that Islam is playing a part (even if it is a perverted twist on a peacefull religion) in this, you are simply hiding your head in the sand.

It is playing just as much part, as the RACIST White CATHOLIC French COPS are Abusing these young Kids to their limits. Treating them like Animals, not like Human.

Do you think ANYOBODY was listening to their Cry when they cried about their Problems for decades?

Well, now they got their Attention.



Have to listen

Ahmed Belmokhtar, taxi driver

My parents came from Algeria and could not read or write, so they could only do menial jobs.

But the kids now don't want to suffer like their parents and grandparents did. The state is being tough at the moment but later it will have to listen.

In the long-term, these riots will force the government to act. Otherwise, the next round of violence will be even worse.

The police are very rude - they don't understand our problems.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 08:30 AM
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In the long-term, these riots will force the government to act.


Hopefully it will force the government to act and start utilizing deadly force to deal with this scum and then crack down on any more immigration from these countries.

Maybe they'll even bring back the guillotine.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
Would you get a grip.

Every time something bad happens, it's not the CIA or Bush at fault.

The fact is, MUSLIMS are at fault for the riots, and are at fault for this bomb factory.

END OF STORY.


I'm going for a warning here, lets see if I get it.

First off, it's inaction by the French governmnet thats at fault.

People disconnected from the real world (biggots) such as yourself are responsible for most of the hate that we see today.

[edit on 7-11-2005 by crisko]



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 08:36 AM
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Lol you're quoting a picture from a tabloid paper most belgian wouldn't consider "news"....

5 cars burned down in St Gillis, which is in Brussels(capitol) btw, not Antwerp...inform yourself before making statements like yours above.
there were no riots after teh cars were torched and the responsibles have been arrested.... once again i ask you to proove where you got teh idea that these are "muslim related incidents"

I hate doing it but i'm putting you on ignore, i've had it with your hate mongering. There is no discussion possible with you, your view are rigth and no matter which valualbe arguments poeple bring in, you'll just ignore them and resort to posting solutions like: kill'em all, goor riddens.
You do realise these youths are 10 % of France's population. Would you seriously aks for france to kill 10% of his population, i know a certain German dude who had the same idea's some years ago in Germany....we all know to what that lead right....


This site's slogan is deny ignorance last time i checked , not INCREASE ingnorance, and clearly that's the only goal you have, to make more poeple see every muslim as a terrorist, good thing i don't take that generalisation and apply it to my view of america...

Nothign is as black/white as you would want it to be, there are a million shades of grey inbetween.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
NO IT IS NOT!

It's a POVERTY Issue. A Ghetto Issue! You, being an American, should know that! How many Muslims are there in Ghettos in LA? How many in Compton? How many in Watts? How many in Inglewood? And when Rodney King got beat the hell up, were there Muslims Rioting? Why were they Rioting? Becuse they were ANGRY or because they were MUSLIM?


The LA riots were different - it was based off of a video tape of a police beating which failed to show the assult of the police by King (not to excuse the polices actions - they were dispicable - but it does add to the effect).

And you are under the mistaken impression that I believe all riots are because of Islam or something... I never said that.

I said THESE PARTICULAR riots are clearly influenced by religion. Again, I would like to point out that no other group of poverty stricken people have lashed out - not the poor white christians, not the poor black christians, not the poor white atheists etc etc etc.

In this case, the facts are the facts - they are all Muslim.



No I don't think you wish that.


Well, I am not going to bother trying to convice you other wise. You've made up your mind. Just know you are wrong.


And I already know what you are going to say now: "Fire at Will, Gentlemen!"


You couldn't be more mistaken, because frankly, I think that would just further the riots.

Ohhhh, but wait - you know everything about me and how I think




They are ANGRY KIDS without any FUTURE and without ANYTHING TO LOOSE.


Frankly, they should MAKE THEIR OWN FUTURE. One of my best friends did. I will bet anything he was just as poor - if not poorer - then any of these "kids".

Nothing to lose? How about their lives? What about any sense of self respect? Dignity?


They were Born and Raised as FRENCH, yet they do not have the same OPPORTUNITES as "Other" French.


So? I mean, hell, it's a shame, but that's no excuse for anything they have done.


Why is that AMM?

You call that FAIR?


No, like I said it's not fair, life isn't fair, DEAL WITH IT!

It's not an excuse. It's not a 'get out of reasonable action' free card.




They DID take that Road - can't you see that?!?

The Paranets of these Kids worked their asses off in order to Raise these Children, to give them a Better Life and better Job. But still, with the Collegge degree and with a Wish for a better Job, they do not get it! Simply becuse France is institutionally Racist. They do not offer the Same Opportunites to all the People. Some of the are Left to Rot in the poorest Slums of France.


So you are telling me all these people in the slums have college degrees?


Even if thats true, SO WHAT?!?!?!

You have a degree, so do a lot of unemployed people I know.

If there aren't any jobs in France, move somewhere else. Isn't that what the EU is all about? Easy movement and buisness between Europe?

And if they can't get a job from someone else, why not start their own buisness? I know plenty of people in their early 20's with ZERO start up capitol who have started succesfull buisnesses.




And now the Entire World knows about them.


And thinks less and less of them by the second.



And if you checked the News, Islamic religion does not Identify with these Riots, because the Highest Muslim Organization in France issued a Fatwa against the Rioters and the Riots.

What does that tell you?


It tells me what I have been saying is true - these RADICAL MUSLIMS polute their otherwise GOOD religion and twist it to cause destruction. It is no different then the IRA using the Catholic religion as a base. You just proved my point Souljah.



Do you think ANYOBODY was listening to their Cry when they cried about their Problems for decades?


Maybe they should stop CRYING like little babies. Maybe they should take responsability for THEMSELVES.


Well, now they got their Attention.


Yup, now anyone who had a job open will think even harder before hiring them.



Have to listen


'Or the next will be even worse.'

SCUM BAGS!

Worse then LIGHTING A HANDICAPPED WOMAN ON FIRE?!?!?!?!


Good luck France, you'll need it with these scum buckets.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by crisko
People disconnected from the real world (biggots) such as yourself are responsible for most of the hate that we see today.


Sorry to dissapoint you, but I am not a biggot. I just call it as it is.

These are MUSLIMS rioting - no one else.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man

Originally posted by crisko
People disconnected from the real world (biggots) such as yourself are responsible for most of the hate that we see today.


Sorry to dissapoint you, but I am not a biggot. I just call it as it is.

These are MUSLIMS rioting - no one else.


Wrong, check your facts. I won't provide you with proof. Go look for it.

EDIT: I forgot; Fox News.


[edit on 7-11-2005 by crisko]



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 09:34 AM
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sg.news.yahoo.com...


Among the rioters' targets have been churches, nursery and primary schools, town-halls and police stations as well as warehouses, car dealerships and a film-studio at Asnieres outside Paris.


Yes if your poor these are the areas you target. Destroying these places will really help you out if your poor. Unfortunately what started out possibly as a poor issue has been grasped upon by other individuals, no not the CIA,
who wish more harm.


Police figures showed 1,408 vehicles were destroyed overnight -- up on the previous record of 1,300 on Saturday -- and 395 people arrested. Most of the cars -- nearly 1,000 -- were in towns and cities outside Paris, reflecting the way the violence has spread from its original flashpoint.


Once again...how does this help their cause?

And for those people who actually think this is a CIA operation - get a life.

And soulijah......the US has only been around for 200 years....slavery has been around in Europe much much longer than that.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by rileyIs it? It doesn't sound like you've really thought this through. How do you suggest people pay the higher rent required to move into an area where they can get a job to pay for the basics in life? Do you really think landlords are going to risk leasing out apartments to unemployed [without a work history] on the grounds that they 'might' get a job to afford the rent? Life isn't that simple.


why move to an area where there is no work in the first place?

you don't have to live in the exact town you work in. There are people who commute 2 hours a day for work, sometimes more. When they can afford a better home, they move but they have jobs to do this. There is always a lower income, more affordable housing community near places of work. Plain and simple, even the lowest paid employees in an area need a place to live. I'm guessing here but I bet these unemployed folks could get jobs that they don't want. You find that everywhere, in every town and city. You can't help those that won't help themselves.

As I said, it's cold but it's the truth. Unemployment is not the issue here.

Does the French gov't or the local city (Paris) pay any unemployment or gov't benefit for those that are out of work? If so, cut these clowns off completely. Then they'd have a reason to riot - or find a job.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 09:54 AM
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Crakeur, if your going to commute to your low paid job your presumably going to have to take public transport.

This would probably take up a large portion of your wages, probably preventing you from both saving money for a nice house and paying for lifes essentials.

This is perhaps an arguement for reducing state benefits, or adjusting them so they help those with low paying jobs more than the unemployed.

[edit on 7-11-2005 by Uncle Joe]



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by Crakeur
why move to an area where there is no work in the first place?

Probably because they have no choice financially.

you don't have to live in the exact town you work in. There are people who commute 2 hours a day for work, sometimes more. When they can afford a better home, they move but they have jobs to do this. There is always a lower income, more affordable housing community near places of work.

There is not always housing available. That is why homeless people exist.

Plain and simple, even the lowest paid employees in an area need a place to live. I'm guessing here but I bet these unemployed folks could get jobs that they don't want. You find that everywhere, in every town and city. You can't help those that won't help themselves.

These are the types of things people who have never lived in poverty claim. They seem to say alot about situations they'll never be in when in reality they haven't got the slightest clue and are ignorant about how society truly works. Perhaps they are just trying to justify watching other human beings starve while stuffing food into their own mouths.

Poverty prevents people from educating their kids.
Education is needed to get jobs.. if you are unable to get one your kids won't be educated so it becomes a vicious cycle. It is much more complex than that but you've already decided poor people only have themselves to blame so I won't go into detail.
People cannot help the situations they are born into... it's a shame though that people who are born priviledged can't even see or appreciate how lucky they are.

[edit on 7-11-2005 by riley]



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 10:43 AM
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You have to remember, most importantly, that France has a socialist government. This is just another example of how socialism is out dated and does not work.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 10:46 AM
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You have to remember, most importantly, that France has a socialist government. This is just another example of how socialism is out dated and does not work.


No, they have an inefficient, poorly run government that likes to pretend that in 1860 still.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by snafu7700
the riots are a rebellion of the poor against the upper class.


Burning down schools and taking a disabled woman and
lighting her on fire isn't a rebellion against the upper class.
It's violence and chaos just for the sake of doing it.
There is no 'class war' here. Just criminals out of control.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
And when Rodney King got beat the hell up, were there Muslims Rioting?
Why were they Rioting? Becuse they were ANGRY or because they were
MUSLIM?


They rioted because they were criminals.

When Reginald Denny, the innocent WHITE truck driver, got pulled
from his truck and beaten just because he was white and just because
he was there ... the white population of this country didn't go nuts
and indiscriminately kill and/or burn down buildings.

CRIMINALS murder innocent people. CRIMINALS burn down
buildings and set handicapped people on fire. CRIMINALS.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by rileyThese are the types of things people who have never lived in poverty claim. They seem to say alot about situations they'll never be in when in reality they haven't got the slightest clue and are ignorant about how society truly works. Perhaps they are just trying to justify watching other human beings starve while stuffing food into their own mouths.


no, I'm speaking with common sense. there is a portion of this group that probably has been having a hard time finding work. there is probably another portion that hasn't even tried to find work. easier to collect gov't cheese without effort.
for those that have been having a hard time finding work, you take what you get and continue looking for something that you feel you are better suited for.

you pick up garbage while that career in astrophysics continues to elude you.
you take any job to pay the bills - it's called being responsible. someone who would rather collect welfare and sit on their ass not trying to find a job doesn't deserve any handouts.

and don't talk to me about what I do or do not understand. How do you know I didn't pull myself up from nothing? How do you know I wasn't living in a shelter when I failed to find work after moving to New York City? How do you know that I didn't have the courage to ask my family for help while I worked as a street cleaner to be able to afford to eat and sleep in a rat infested apartment as I tried to figure out the job market?

you don't. I did.
stop acting holier than thou.
you aren't



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by crisko
Wrong, check your facts. I won't provide you
with proof. Go look for it.


It doesn't work like that around here.
You just said someone was wrong and gave
no justification. Deny ignorance. Prove your
point. Give evidence that is contrary to what
every news outlet has been saying - that these
are ALL Muslims and/or Africans (who are
Muslims from Morocco, etc.) who are rioting.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Crakeur
for those that have been having a hard time finding work, you take what you get and continue looking for something that you feel you are better suited for.

If you can get it.. depends where you are of course but there aren't enough jobs for everyone.

and don't talk to me about what I do or do not understand.

I said that what you were saying was very much like what I have heared politicians say. There are many reasons why someone gets into a rut they can't get out of.. even entire communities. Poverty becomes it's own culture. How can kids be expected to get jobs when they grow up when they've never seen their role models with one? The possibilities would seem limited.

How do you know I didn't pull myself up from nothing? How do you know I wasn't living in a shelter when I failed to find work after moving to New York City? How do you know that I didn't have the courage to ask my family for help while I worked as a street cleaner to be able to afford to eat and sleep in a rat infested apartment as I tried to figure out the job market?

you don't. I did.
stop acting holier than thou.
you aren't

I'm glad you were able to pull yourself up.. but others for whatever reason are unable to. Do you assume they can do what you did no probs? I'm not saying it would've been easy for you but I have met some trapped in poverty.. and others that have trapped themselves in poverty without realising [alcaholics etc.] I try understand why they are unable to pull themselves up. Some it seems to be lack of resources, single mothers/fathers, abuse, addiction.. others perhaps lack of faith in themselves and a feeling of futility. It would be a bit hard to live up to your potential if you think you haven't got any.



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