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Was JonBenet's murder a sacrifice?

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posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 06:56 AM
Hell no wonder so many innocent people are sent to jail with attitudes such as those being represented here.

Quote “She had a look in her eye that really made me feel she just got really goofy and decided to kill the girl and make it look like pops did it.”

I pray to God that I am never forced to face a jury with attitudes such as this.

Leave these poor people alone.

posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 09:11 AM
Ok for the last time, DNA found on the child did NOT belong to any member of the Ramsey family. The little girl had actually scratched her murderer she had his DNA under her finger nails and he left DNA on her underwear. None of the DNA matched or belonged to the Ramsey family.

posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 12:28 PM
Another thing I had read about...The layout of the house was such that a scream could have been heard from the outside, but the parents couldn't hear it. Some neighbors reported hearing a scream in the middle of the night.

I'm leaning more towards the intruder theory myself, to be honest. I think maybe John and/or Patsy was involved in something hush-hush and they were set up. That's just my feeling. I still think they probably know who did it but don't want to tell who and are hoping that the police find out on their own.

That's my gut feeling on it.

posted on Nov, 10 2005 @ 05:53 AM
I think the only sacrifice was the mother's sanity when she killed her child. I think she was just another high strung mother with built up anger about BS stresses of life and bam the worse has happened. The sad thing of the whole story is this upper class family with the blond beauty queen gets more attention than some low-to-middle class child that gets killed and never solved...

posted on Nov, 10 2005 @ 06:46 AM
To be fair, I'm rather high-strung myself, but I've never beat up my child.

Even if Patsy did kill her child, I find the "she got mad because JonBenet wet the bed" a bit of a stretch. Especially the Taser part of it.

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 02:19 AM
I'm not clear why Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey would write a draft ransom note and a final ransome not on behalf of their son. All handwriting analysis I've ever read about the case points to the parents. There are plenty of reasons to believe the parents are guilty as sin. Ramsey's ties to the government doesn't help matters either.

posted on Aug, 17 2006 @ 02:56 AM
I still don't believe, the gut they arrested, did it.

posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 07:35 AM
This case has got me fascinated. I remembered it at the time, how it didn't add up. And we saw the reports on tv about the dolled-up 6-year-old beauty queen etc. I've decided to do a lot more digging. When you scratch underneath the surface it becomes very clear. And sicker than you can imagine. The poor girl was the victim of a Satanic sexual sacrificial ritual for this date called "The Last Bulb of the Christmas Tree", created by Joseph Mengele - the evil Nazi scientist at Auschwitz later covertly brought to the US under Operation Paperclip. Her name "Jonbet" is a brotherhood term for the devil, and her parents were in on it all along. Look at John Ramsey's shady past - ties with Lockheed Martin / Illuminati and the kiddieporn industry. The time of the killing - 25 December on the stroke of midnight - she was bred specifically to fulfil this sordid ritual.

Think now.. to how the crime scene was corrupted, police mucking up the investigation, the slowness to go ahead with prosecution, the media repeatedly saying "let's not be so quick to judge the parents". Why? Because if you expose what REALLY happened, the entire fabric of the media through to the economic infrastructure of the United States and developed world will be revealed as rotten to the core. They have no choice but to protect their own interest. It's becoming quite clear Carr is a brainwashed patsy, a low-life who may even had some direct involvement if not in the murder itself, maybe he was the "third voice" they talk about on the 911 call? Here are some interesting websites on this case that I've been looking at:

I'm sure you will agree on this:
1) you aren't going to get any answers from the media
2) the official investigation has been mucked up and doesn't add up, yet the evidence which stands still clearly points to the family - the so-called 'ransom note' was in Patsy's handwriting for example, and the ransom note demanding $118,000 - the exact amount of John Ramsey's bonus that year and also Psalm 118:27b being regarded as the source of the 'note'.

It's time we started applying some independent thought here and come to the realisation that something dreadfully bad is going on here - that extends WAAAAAY beyond the common assumption of "yep a dadddy molesting his little girl and mom is covering up" - it appears that it's much much much more serious than that. When Joseph Mengele (who supposedly fled to Brazil and died in 1979 according to Wikipedia, hmmm) is involved in the web of intrigue you KNOW it has to be bad.

We could make a spirograph and link Ben-Gurion / Begin / MOSSAD to the JFK Assassination, as Kennedy was about to expose the conspiracy and blow all their dirty dealings wide open before the world. Begin was linked to Mickey Cohen (crime syndicate rat-pack guy in Hollywood), Cohen in turn linked to.... JACK RUBY.

Now, let's go to Mengele - he was in Dallas at the time of the Kennedy assassination. His mind control programs and influence as a Grand Master in his satanic cabal indicates he may well be a pivotal figure, valued to CIA and MOSSAD alike. One thing we have to bear in mind here is we are no longer dealing with nationalities or geographic bounds, this is simply the Global Elite / Illuminati craving geopolitical power any way they can get it. If you look at it as "why would Israel's Mossad provide safe haven for a Nazi butcher", none of this will make sense. You have to instead see this as the military industrial complex protecting their own interests, which includes Begin, includes the CIA, includes Mengele (known in later life as Dr Green or Greenbaum). Only then can you consider the possibility the whole Mengele death thing was phony (though Mengele certainly spent a lot of time living in Brazil and Paraguay). According to Arizona Wilder, Mengele died in the late 1980s. Somewhere within that timeframe, Mengele created a sacrificial ritual from which JonBenet would unfortunately suffer accordingly.
Furthermore, let's float this upon the discussion -
Mengele + MKULTRA / black op mind control project = mind-programmed Oswald in JFK assassination
Mengele + MKULTRA / black op mind control project = mind-programmed BOTH Carr AND both John and Patsy Ramsey to procreate sacrificial child and follow through to its dreadful conclusion.

Now, the reason I say this is there is evidence Patsy was showing signs of MPD, saying and doing strange contradictory behaviour you can read about in the testimony outlined at It takes a specific signal to trigger these behaviours and is achieved through traumatising the brain at an early age to isolate and swap out neuron pathways at will. Patsy was a child sex slave, a victim of the CIA mind control programs developed by Mengele at Auschwitz and taken under their wing under Operation Paperclip. Carr is also obviously involved in paedophilia rings. Child porn was found on computers at John Ramsey's software company. Coming back to JonBenet, she was the 'last bulb of the christmas tree', adorned like a little princess - the beauty pageant queen. The autopsy report shows her vagina was twice as large as a normal 6 year old. Now, in most cases, the father would be automatically arrested and the public would instananeously lynch the bastard - and quite rightly so - but none of that happened in this case. Rather, the media treated them as grieving parents.

As a footnote, perhaps Princess Diana's driver was programmed to hit the 13th pillar in that tunnel at high speed to effect yet another high profile ritual killing? This form of mind control would also enable Henri Paul to consume alcohol yet efficiently carry out the task upon entering the Mercedes as the trigger signal is given and the subconscious programming takes over.

We have evidence and behaviours clearly exhibiting mind control. The testimony heavily points this way. When I say MKULTRA, this program ceased in 1964 but we are talking about black projects behind closed doors. MKULTRA was focused around administering lsd and sensory deprivation but Mengele's methods were somewhat more sinister with the satanic and sexual, brutal.

Just thought of another high profile murder that may have taken place under mind control - Robert Kennedy / Sirhan Sirhan. Folks, this is a real thing going on. I realise it's not something we want to contemplate as it doesn't fill us up with much hope for humanity if this is indeed what's happening. Those of you who are parents would understandably find it impossible to reconcile the fact that someone could harm their own flesh and blood in this way - but if they are mind-controlled they wouldn't think twice as it is programmed into their subconscious. If this was just a logical cold case to be cleaned up, all we would need is for the dna to match with the suspect and it's game over. But investigate deeper and it's obvious there's something else going on here. Look at the testimony:

-Prolonged sexual torture - her vaginal cavity according to autopsy report twice size of normal 6 year old.
-Mother Patsy was also a childhood sex slave. Both competed in beauty pageants with well-known 'automated' pose styles.
-2 weeks before the murder, JonBenet began to talk - about scary people in long, black robes who gathered around her and stuck 'things' into her private place - things that hurt her. She also spoke vaguely of darkness around her and the possible use of candles.
-Search warrants also turned up recent nude photos of the Ramsey children.
-In the two years prior to her death, JonBenet made 33 trips to the pediatrician, diagnosis was "yeast infections". Yeast infections for a child of four to six years old? That is not possible.
-Scott Gibbons, neighbor, heard the horrible scream somewhere around midnight. He says it was an inside job. This was not a random killing. There is no way parents could possibly sleep through a scream such as he heard.
-Scott Gibbons saw strange lights and movements coming from the kitchen area around midnight; and neighbor Melody Stanton awoke her husband around midnight after hearing a scream, and he stated he heard “the sound of metal clashing against cement.” The Ramsey's say they heard none of this.....really?
-Detectives probed John Ramsey's many visits to Amsterdam, Child Porn capital of the world, suspecting a link between child porn and JonBenet's murder. Child Porn was found on several computers in Ramsey's business. In fact, a large amount of kiddie porn had been downloaded on Access Graphics computers. An article detailing this noted that AG did a lot of work in Amsterdam's red light district. This article pointed to a direct link between Access Graphics and kiddie porn. So far, neither John Ramsey or Lockheed Martin have sued. In fact, they have not even bothered to comment, which is odd, considering the disturbing claims that the article made.

C'mon guys, something is deeply deeply wrong here. That is just a tiny selection of the evidence.. we could go into the phony kidnap thing (wtf was that all about?), the receipts Patsy made for the special black duct tape and rope at the local hardware store.. how much plainer can it be?

The reasons we aren't getting any straight answers (in my opinion) is because if the parents were apprehended and their motives heard, it would expose the CIA, would expose Lockheed Martin, expose several high-esteemed public figures (and the assassinations of esteemed public figures like Kennedy who wanted to get the truth out to the world), the chain reaction would be horrendous and monstrous - imagine the outrage if the public found out the the cia and mossad were in cahoots with Mengele - who was reported to be present at blood-drinking rituals in the mid 1970s with the British royal family (who never liked Diana - another sacrificial lamb?) - the fallout would be massive.

The funny thing is, I probably would have just forgotten about this cold case had it not been plastered on our tv screens night after night.. Carr this.. Carr that.. in the end I had to go searching for my own answers and apply my own independent thought to this because we sure as hell aren't going to get it from the media or from our authorities and I think most of you here would agree with that. Therefore we have to come up with some new answers because unless you have some better ideas we aren't going to get any resolution via the outcome of this Carr episode.:?

This begs the question, "then why has Carr come out.. why couldn't they keep him quiet and keep the lid on this case shut tight?"

..I'm hazarding a guess here and perhaps some natural de-programming is beginning to happen with Carr, and he recalling events but not in the order of reality - the brain trying to rearrange what happened. In short, the mind control programs are beginning to wear off on him and he's beginning to blurt out some crazy stuff that he was once a party to, long long ago in 1996.. the facts are not right but his brain is in the process of reassembling events and he's a bit screwed up right now. But still into the child porn - hmmm, some things never change..

[edit on 31-8-2006 by RiotComing]

posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 05:46 PM
isn't this thread a little too late?

honestly, the girl is dead, let her memory rest

i hate the media for what they've put the family of this poor little girl through, let's not make it any worse

posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 06:10 PM

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
isn't this thread a little too late?

honestly, the girl is dead, let her memory rest

ummm... hello? A child was murdered and no one has been convicted for the crime.

posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 06:30 PM

Originally posted by annestacey

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
isn't this thread a little too late?

honestly, the girl is dead, let her memory rest

ummm... hello? A child was murdered and no one has been convicted for the crime.

i understand that, but media sensation surrounding it needs to die in a fire. it impedes the investigation.

we don't need to go around throwing crazy ideas like child sacrafices to deal with it

also, the only reason people care is that it was a upper middle class little white beauty queen.

if it had been a black girl we wouldn't have half as much media coverage

posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 07:09 PM
Crazy ideas? The evidence is there in black and white! Did you read it, by any chance? This is a conspiracy site, so we are here to discuss conspiracy theory. Being Skunk Works, this is for the more fringey speculative stuff that the lily-fingered are too afraid to touch. So really, if you're not prepared to look at this, then why are you here in this section of the forum?

No self-respecting conspiracy theorist worth their salt would say "let her memory rest" "I'm sick of the media blah blah". We are after the truth. Turn your tv off for a second and dig deeper. "Impedes investigation" - haha, we KNOW the investigation was bungled and corrupted from the get-go. Everybody knows this. People being paid off, cutting deals. They have a lot at stake and a lot to hide. You won't hear about this from your "media coverage" or your "investigators".

posted on Sep, 2 2006 @ 10:39 AM
This whole story reeks of conspiracy. Otherwise, it would have been solved.

posted on Sep, 2 2006 @ 04:05 PM

Originally posted by annestacey
This whole story reeks of conspiracy. Otherwise, it would have been solved.

not all murders are solved
it's simply impossible to solve every single murder that occurs.

throwing out these theories simply hurts the investigation, let the proper authorities handle this one.

i understand that this is the skunkworks, but there are lines you just don't cross

posted on Sep, 2 2006 @ 06:34 PM
You're kidding right?

What about Phil Schnieder? He knowingly crossed the line to get the truth out and he even shows his scars from the 1979 Dulce firefight with aliens - he speaks of unimaginable stuff - which all turned out to be prophetic and real. His lecture videos are all on Google Video to see it with your own eyes. Look what happened to him - a murder made to look like a suicide.

Your stance is no different to the people who say the same thing about 9-11. "Don't throw around such a silly theory - you are only harming the official investigation - you are not respecting the memory of the thousands who died on that day" We are purely interested in getting the truth out about 9-11 and we all know the 9-11 commission was a joke. Similarly, the official investigation into JonBenet has been a joke right from the beginning. The truth IS stranger than fiction - it's time to face up to that truth.

What if you woke up one day and it's finally come to light in the media the planes that plunged into the towers were remote-controlled with bombs on board, the pentagon was struck by a missile not a plane, the WTC was a controlled demolition, the passengers on board that day were all taken to a secret military base and executed? The horrible truth comes to light. But OH HOW DARE YOU. How dare "who"? How dare the government and our authorities allow the military industrial complex to take such a firm grip of their affairs and hide their agenda from us as we are only ants to them.

I think the truth about JonBenet has to be heard, no matter how strange or evil the truth of it is. That little girl went through hell. Someone said "no one would make a fuss if it was a black girl". That is not the point. Dreadfully missing the point, almost like on another hemisphere. Given the proof of the prolonged sexual abuse alone, the family should have been stitched up for that. And nothing happened. Why? Well I've told you why.

[edit on 2-9-2006 by RiotComing]

posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 07:13 AM
Weird to post a reply on a thread that has been asleep for years now, but thought I would just post this to get it out there. There isn't anything new in the press about this case so here goes.

While meditating a couple of weeks ago, young Miss Ramsay's name popped into my head, along with the name "Denver Williams".

I don't have any particular interest in this case nor have I seen anything about the case for quite a long time now. Even after searching online sources, I can't find anything new, the latest thing being that the police had offered to speak to her brother, should he so wish.

That's all I wanted to say. Just wanted it in b&w.

posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 10:19 AM
ok this thread is REALLY freaking me out right now. I had this strange dream last night. my wife and I had found this baby rattlesnake in our kitchen. strangely enough my wife walked right up to it and let it bite her on the foot. you'd have to understand our shared unhealthy fear of snakes to see how weird this was. anyway, the bite didnt hurt her or seem to affect her at all. I recoiled in fear and started running from the snake. the snake was chasing me and jumping at me trying to bite and and the whole time was saying "mama" in a young child's voice. then I come on ATS and the first thread i am drawn to is this one and what do I find but in the OP's article the word "rattlesnake" in bold 5 times in one paragraph! to top it off the thread had been inactive for over 5 years until just a few minutes before I came in here! help me figure this out, its obvious there's some meaning to this.

posted on Mar, 28 2012 @ 12:45 AM
Awesome, posts from 2011 I didn't want to be that guy who bumped a topic that hadn't been posted in for years >_>

Anyway, this topic(along with the story in general) have always fascinated me to no end.

And as much as I can make sense of just about everything I've read, I can't help but wonder, what is the real basis for this? There wasn't a single source in that original article...Riots looked as if it has sources I haven't read the entire thing yet, but I did check to see if there was a


at the bottom so as not to read it all only to have nothing to follow up with. Which is always a disappointment.

-Mother Patsy was also a childhood sex slave. Both competed in beauty pageants with well-known 'automated' pose styles.

Where is the evidence of this? Godlikeproductions is interesting to read when you just want to get another perspective on things, but its not the most reliable website. Does anyone know of any books that speak on these things and actually reference them?

Where is the evidence of the hooded figures? Who did she talk to? It just says "Began to talk" that doesn't really tell us anything.

I'm not really expecting an aswer on this as the topic is quite old, but who knows.

I can't find any documents stating Ramseys company was busted with nude photos. This seems like a pretty significant piece of information. It just seems absurd it got no attention from any reliable source(that I can find) yet some how people still know about it?

Where is this article people speak of in regards to Access Graphics and Child Porn?

I constantly hear things being thrown around in this case, but I could easily come up with all sorts of speculation. What would make it any less accurate than any of this?

I enjoy reading these things regardless because I read to think, but when I go out of my way to search for these things and come up with nothing significant I can't help but wonder, where is everyone else getting this information from? If I search for evidence of most of the things I hear about JBR case it usually is just the same thing being reposter(like this topic is an example of) from some other random site and I never actually get to the core of the info, just the same info rehashed over and over again in different places.

Which is why I'm with Goose and the official report on this. Do I think there is more to the story? Certainly, do I think its even a fraction as dark as its made out to be? Ehhh
Nothing ever seems concrete.

The idea that "she had that look in her eyes" personally offends me, I myself have been known to get weird looks in my eyes, I would never hurt a child and I think its absurd to assume I would simply because of how I may look. Especially if my daughter just died...Ever thought maybe just apart of her died on that day?

Anyway I probably just typed this all up for nothing but I don't care, I'm sure some day someone will read it and if I ever get a response cool. Hopefully if I do it involves some sort of evidence, I'm aware this is Skunkworks but I would still hope there is at least some truth to a small fraction of this given how much I've seen it spoken about on countless forums and websites.

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