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Was JonBenet's murder a sacrifice?

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posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 07:58 PM
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Hidden Mysteries article

The author explains why they think Patsy did it--and no, it wasn't because JonBenet wet her bed. It's a bit of a long read, but very interesting.

I think the explanation is certainly plausible.

I'm of the opinion that many cases are not solved because there's someone who doesn't want it to be.




posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 08:21 PM
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Very interesting post.
I have thought this was a sacrifice all along, but I believe Burke was somehow involved, as he was probably a victim of pedophilia.
I looked up 118 in the kabbalistic ency, and this is interesting..
118 is the symbol for Demon King of the North.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 08:30 PM
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Interesting you should point that out.

Isaiah 14:12-14 reads: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


And where does Santa (whom I call the god of Xmas) allegedly reside? The NORTH Pole!



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 08:31 PM
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I've always thought there was something very susupicious aboth the JonBenet murder.
Just too convenient the way the investigation was botched, imho.
I've always thought mom was hiding something.

There was been some interest in the case on ATS. I'll provide the links as background for your topic.
www.belowtopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by Amethyst
Interesting you should point that out.

Isaiah 14:12-14 reads: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


And where does Santa (whom I call the god of Xmas) allegedly reside? The NORTH Pole!


Very adroit, i have always used satan as being santa backwards..
I got SO mad at my parents when I found out there was no santa, i was po'ed for days.
And if they were having satanic rituals at the next door neighbors, i feel that shewas killed at the neighbor's house,,



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 09:06 PM
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I have been one who has repeatedly asked about this murder. I have written to the news media a few times asking not to allow this topic to fade away. This poor girl was pushed aside and forgotten. Her murder will always be a remembered by me. fwiw



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 09:12 PM
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This is not something i dis-cuss much, but I KNOW how children are sacrificed..in ritual, this is all i may say at this time, but if truth be known, there was POWER and $$ involved for this virgin..g-d bless her soul.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 09:15 PM
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I think it was the brother. I always did but then I haven't read the threads here and will do so now.



[edit on 6-11-2005 by Mayet]



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 10:46 PM
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I have a hard time believing her brother did it, since he was only 9 at the time. When I was 9, I only knew the basics--Tab A plus Slot B equals Baby. That's it.

Then again, I was 9 in 1982, and things have changed a lot since then, so who knows.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 11:35 PM
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I dont think the brother did it either. I always couldnt get over the feeling good ole mom did it. She had a look in her eye that really made me feel she just got really goofy and decided to kill the girl and make it look like pops did it.

Looks like she under estimated daddy'os connections eh? She did it pops network cleaned, plugged up and fixed all the chaos after it happened. I couldnt figure out why they stayed together for this much time afterwards.

The ritual aspect would explain a lot.

It was an NWO/Freemason High Magick spell that made America fall asleep the rest of the way...

Worked pretty damn good didnt it?

I am the typo king!


[edit on 6-11-2005 by LoneGunMan]



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 12:52 AM
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Have any of you ever thought of looking at the evidence that actually clears the Ramseys?



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by goose
Have any of you ever thought of looking at the evidence that actually clears the Ramseys?


I wasn't aware that there was any. Can you please provide links to your sources of such information? Thank you.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 06:22 AM
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None of us can no for certain that she is even dead.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by craig732

Originally posted by goose
Have any of you ever thought of looking at the evidence that actually clears the Ramseys?


I wasn't aware that there was any. Can you please provide links to your sources of such information? Thank you.


The special investigator hired by the Boulder police, not the Ramseys (he did not know them) cleared them and he was not too popular for it.

He found evidence that pointed to an intruder coming in through the basement window. Also just inside of the window was a large suircase that the Ramseys did not place at the window. He thinks the suitcase was there to take the child out the window. It was easier though to get inside than out and no way to get himself and a child out. The climb in and out was angled and would not have been suitable to climbing out with a burden of weight of a screaming fighting child.

It is believe he the intruder got in the house before the Ramseys got home and waited in one of the empty guest rooms, he had time to go through the house to see where everyone slept and then he had time to even write the letter, he waited. He watched them come home, heard them all go to bed and then he waited until he was sure everyone was asleep. The parents slept on the third floor, the children on the second. No one slept on the first floor. So there was a whole floor between the basement and where anyone could hear and with doors probably closed and people sleeping, it would seem likely no one would hear.

He used a tazer on her while she slept to keep her from screaming, rendering her for a while unconscious. (Tazer marks were found on her body, they were actually measured to show exactly which tazer was used, the Ramseys did not own a tazer) Once he had her unconscious it was easy to remove her from her room to the basement. There she came to and fought him and he killed her. On her body, under her fingernails, (she obviusly scratched him) and on her underwear was a totally unknown DNA belonging to none of the family.

Later on another child who attended dance classes with Jon Benet Ramsey would be molested in her own bedroom fortnately the mother awoke and scared the intruder away. cbsnewyork.com...

Here's a list of the evidence compiled by Lou Smits the special investigator. www.crimelibrary.com...
The Ramseys are loving parents with no motive for killing their child and no history of criminal or abusive behavior.
Lovely JonBenet was a "pedophile's dream" and her visibility in the community made her a target. Likewise, the Ramseys' wealth and high profile made them potential targets of a kidnapper.
Three suspicious events point to an intruder: unknown vehicles parked outside the Ramseys' home near the time of the crime; JonBenet's comment to people that she was going to get a "special visit from Santa," even though Patsy never heard JonBenet say anything about a visit from Santa.
Police statements about there being no footprints in the snow were misleading as there was no snow around most of the perimeter of the house.
The open basement window, movement of the window well grate and the presence of leaves and debris in the basement below the open window and a number of other clues point to the window being the entry point for the intruder.
Pieces of debris from the window well were found in the wine cellar where JonBenet's body was discovered.


The suitcase below the open window, which was moved there by someone other than the Ramseys, appeared to be the way an intruder boosted himself up to the open window to exit the house.
Many hairs and fibers connected to the crime do not belong to the Ramseys or any other family member.


Marks on JonBenet's body are consistent with the use of a stun gun which would have kept her quiet while she was removed from her bedroom.
Fresh unidentified footprints which were visible in the mold on the wine cellar floor did not belong to any family member.
Tests showed that a scream reported by a neighbor could have come from the basement without the Ramseys hearing it.

The expertly constructed garrote used on JonBenet indicates an experienced sexual sadist.
JonBenet's vicious injuries occurred before her death and were not part of some post-mortem staging.
Unknown male DNA was found under JonBenet's fingernails and other unknown DNA was found on her body and her panties.
The ransom note was almost certainly written before JonBenet died by a brutal, calm and deliberate person.
Experts concluded that John Ramsey did not write the ransom note and it cannot be concluded that Patsy did.
also
www.angelfire.com...
DENVER (AP) — A federal judge dismissed a lawsuit against the parents of JonBenet Ramsey and criticized police and the FBI for what she said was a media campaign aimed at making the family look guilty.

Authorities never charged the parents in the death of the 6-year-old girl, whose body was found in the family's Boulder home Dec. 26, 1996. However, police refused to clear the couple of suspicion and ruled out the possibility that an intruder was responsible.

U.S. District Court Judge Julie Carnes in Atlanta said in the ruling this week there was no evidence showing the parents killed JonBenet and considerable evidence that an intruder killed the child.

also see this it is shows where the courts have themselves found no evidence against the Ramseys.
www.crimelibrary.com...
also CBS report on crime in the area where the ramsey home www.cbsnews.com...




[edit on 7-11-2005 by goose]



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 12:33 PM
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My thinking is that maybe one of the Ramseys was involved in something hush-hush and they might know who did it, but won't come forward for some reason.

An intruder could have opened the Bible and put that 118,000 figure down to set them up. I wouldn't discount that.

I can't say for sure if I think they're innocent. I'm just tossing out some things, is all.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by Amethyst
My thinking is that maybe one of the Ramseys was involved in something hush-hush and they might know who did it, but won't come forward for some reason.

An intruder could have opened the Bible and put that 118,000 figure down to set them up. I wouldn't discount that.

I can't say for sure if I think they're innocent. I'm just tossing out some things, is all.



The Ramseys are living breathing people and they have been through a misery no one wants to know and then to top that off they have been persecuted and victimized beyond endurance. And they have been cleared of any involvement in their daughter's murder.

I agree I think that the intruder knew how much money they (John) had gotten as a Christmas bonus somehow, from what I have read about them they were people who were trusting and often left things out at home, on a desk or table, where others, servants and workmen, could see if they took a notion to be nosy. People talk to other people about such things and the amount of money could have gotten to the wrong person, a person the Ramseys may have never come in contact with.
It is possible that the intruder really meant to kidnap and molest her and keep her alive to collect the money, but could not due to not being able to get out the window with her.

And I also agree that the intruder meant to set them up. With all the tv real life cop shows on today most people are aware that the people closest to the victim are always the first suspects. It would be very easy for him to target Patsy on her writing, if he planned to do this, he could have easily have gotten in their garbage and gotten papers even found something to do with the bonus amount. Just think of the amount of info people throw away in their garbage never thinking that someone might go through it to use it for their own purposes, plus from what I understand Patsy had just sent out christmas cards with handwritten notes on them.

Did you read where the little girl that took dance lessons with Jon Benet Ramsey was attacked and molested in her own bedroom for hours just 9 months after Jon Benet's murder and that the intruder called her the little girl by name and the mother woke up and scared him, he actually ran past her. The parents automatically thought of the Ramsey case, since it was so similar. I don't understand why the police did not investigate everyone who had ever stepped foot near that school. I wonder if they had dance contest and if there were any judges that might have judged both the beauty pageants and the dance contests?

I have always thought that the tie to the murder was a pedophile who followed the pageants very closely or maybe the dance classes since this is how the two children knew one another. What most people don't seem to realize is that pedophiles like to watch children they like to work with children. A lot of them will work in areas that involve children or they volunteer through organizations that work with children. They are people that work very hard to appear to be normal to everyone.
Look at Gacy the serial murderer he was a clown at children's birthdays parties and events.



[edit on 7-11-2005 by goose]



posted on Nov, 8 2005 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by goose
Have any of you ever thought of looking at the evidence that actually clears the Ramseys?


Hmm, you have made a number of good points of evidence that could or could not point towards others, but I don't see any evidence that "actually clears" the Ramseys.

Amethyst's link to: www.hiddenmysteries.org...
has the most believable story I have heard so far.



posted on Nov, 8 2005 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by Mayet
I think it was the brother. I always did but then I haven't read the threads here and will do so now.



[edit on 6-11-2005 by Mayet]
I've always thought it was the brother also. For some reason he was protected from all this in weird ways. I dont recall the specifics, but back then i suspected him.



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 06:25 AM
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I must step out on a limb with Goose on this one. I think the Ramsey family has something to do with it but I can't prove it. My thought on the subject is that perhaps the father, the brother, or someone who is very, very close to the family. They would have to be in order to gain their trust and have firsthand knowledge of the layout of their home. Could the father have been caught messing around with the little girl and killed her on the spot or could it have been the brother? Another piece of intriging evidence is the note. Perhaps the mother wrote it to cover up the fact that their reputations would be tarnished by this if it were to go public ( with charges or involvment in the newspapers) if her husband or son did it to protect them. If my memory is correct did not the press say that they thought the note that was found had similar aspects of the mother own handwriting? Just my 3 cents worth on this topic.



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 06:35 AM
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Are you talking about the child of 9 years old at the time of his sisters death, all of the other children were too far away to be suspects and had proof of where they were. Now lets see why would someone say a parent or a friend try to protect a 9 year old child whose sister had just been murdered by a kidnapper?
The only evidence against the Ramseys is that they were in the house when it happened, thats it. There is no evidence of any other kind against them, no DNA evidence against them, no prior record of any kind of any abuse at all. The dr. who saw her saw no evidence of abuse at all and she was seen often, from what was revealed Patsy Ramsey took her to the doctor for every little cold, if anything she was an overprotective mother not the monster people keep wanting her to be.

There was evidence of an unknown intruder from the footprints left behind to the DNA found under the child's fingernails and on her body and underwear. Plus add to that the marks on the child made by a tazer, why would any member of the family have to use a tazer on her? They did not own one and one was never found but the marks were there so clear that the investigators were able to pinpoint which one was used. All of that does point to an intruder, not the Ramseys. Please give me some specific evidence of the Ramsey's involvement other than the absurd speculations made by the press.



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