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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 04:59 PM
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I have started this thread as a spin off from another one
www.abovetopsecret.com...

In this thread I would like members to post about the deaths of high profle people that are somewhat suspicious no matter how well it has been accounted for.

This is purely speculative but the list when built may show some interesting details and co incidences not looked at before.


David Lange - Ex Prime minster of New Zealand and staunch anti nuclear suppporter.


Lange was responsible for the banning of American nuke powered ships into NZ ports from the 80's onwards. Died of a mysterious little known kidney problem. Along those lines when I read that Spielberg had some kidney issue that he was in hospital for it raised my conspiracy stinks hackles on my neck.


www.scoop.co.nz...
Prime Minister Helen Clark today paid tribute to Rt Hon David Lange, who passed away last evening.
Helen Clark said she was deeply saddened by David Lange’s death, which comes after a long illness.
“To the end David was inspirational in his courage in dealing with great pain and suffering. He will be greatly missed.
“David Lange came to politics from the law, where he had established his reputation as a powerful advocate for marginalised people. His strong social conscience developed from his family background and his Methodist faith.
“From the time he entered Parliament in 1977, David was marked out as a future leader. He became Leader of the Labour Party only six years later, in 1983, and then the following year became New Zealand’s youngest Prime Minister at the age of 41.
“David will always be remembered for his strong advocacy of New Zealand’s nuclear-free policy, and for a foreign policy overall which reflected New Zealanders’ values and principles.

www.scoop.co.nz...
en.wikiquote.org...

quotes by Lange
*If the American global strategy is dependent on the ability of nuclear ships to come to New Zealand, then God defend the world.

*We are an enemy of the nuclear threat and we are an enemy of testing nuclear weapons in the South Pacific. New Zealand did not buy into this fight. France put agents into New Zealand. France put spies into New Zealand. France lets off bombs in the Pacific. France puts its President in the Pacific to crow about it.

*a sordid act of international state-backed terrorism

*And I'm going to give it to you if you hold your breath just for a moment … I can smell the uranium on it as you lean forward.

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Yasser Arafat
Palestinian Leader and political opponant of the USA. Loved by his people.

Suspected Poisoning


news.bbc.co.uk...
A Palestinian ministerial inquiry into the death of former leader Yasser Arafat has proved inconclusive, said Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei.
Mr Qurei said that the inquiry found that French and Palestinian doctors could not identify the disease that killed Mr Arafat.
The former Palestinian leader's death was not caused by germs, cancer, poisoning or Aids, said Mr Qurei.
Yasser Arafat died on 11 November 2004 at a French military hospital.
But Mr Qurei added that file on Yasser Arafat's death would not be closed as "there could be medical developments in the future that could determine the cause of his death."



web.israelinsider.com...
Hospital concealment strengthens suspicion: Arafat died of AIDS
By israelinsider staff November 11, 2004
Editor's Update 11/11/04: As James Taranto wryly notes in Opinion Journal, citing this original Israel Insider report, "Yasser Arafat is in stable condition after dying in a Paris hospital. A hospital spokesman 'said there would be no details about the cause of death because of French privacy laws,' reports the Associated Press." Now why do you think there would be a need to invoke privacy laws in reporting a man's death? And why, suddenly, is it no longer a "mysterious illness" but an illness that must be concealed?
The article as originally reported on November 6, 2004:
Former White House speechwriter David Frum has joined the growing chorus of pundits, medical experts, and intelligence operatives who claim Yasser Arafat is likely suffering from AIDS.
"We know he has a blood disease that is depressing his immune system. We know that he has suddenly dropped considerable weight -- possibly as much as one-third of all his body weight. We know that he is suffering intermittent mental dysfunction. What does this sound like?"


nobelprize.org...

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Gary Webb

Whistleblower who died of multiple gunshots to the head.


www.rense.com...
Now that Gary Webb joins Mark Lombardi, J.H. Hatfield, and Danny Casalaro as the fourth 'suicide' by a researcher who had a detailed understanding of the structure and function of the Bush crime family, the math on the odds of the Bush suicides have changed.
The new math:
"Examining the male U.S.suicide rate for recent years , we can extrapolate a conservative estimate of 17 male suicides per 100,000 people, or 0.017%. The odds of 4 specific, male biographers committing suicide would be the 4th power of 17/100000, or 8.3521 4.913 x 10^-17...roughly 1 chance 10,000,000,000,000,000. About as good a definition of impossible as you can get.
A person would stand a better chance of playing the Canadian lottery 6/49 exactly twice in one's lifetime and winning the grand jackpot BOTH TIMES! (That is, picking 6 numbers out of 49 possible numbers and matching all 6 numbers out of 6 random draws, on 2 separate occasions, and having only purchased two Canadian lottery tickets ever.)



www.prisonplanet.com...
Comment: We're still treating this as very suspicious. They have flip-flopped AGAIN. First it was multiple gunshot wounds, then it was just one and now it's multiple again. The coroner is right we have seen multiple wounds before in suicides, but only in Arkansas. Would somebody stealing your motorcycle really drive you over the edge? Remember what 'Freeway' Ricky Ross said? "The last time I talked to Gary he was excited and happy about life. He was thriving and looking towards the future." We owe it to Gary to exhaust all possibilities, that's what he would have wanted being the meticulous researcher he was.
Related: Evidence Begins To Indicate Gary Webb Was Murdered
NEW YORK The death of investigative reporter Gary Webb has been confirmed as a suicide, according to a coroner's statement. There has been speculation that he may have met with foul play because he had received two gunshot wounds to the head, The Sacramento Bee reported Wednesday.
"The cause of death was determined to be self-inflicted gunshot wounds to the head," said a statement issued by the Sacramento County Coroner's Office. "Information and evidence gathered at the scene of death, including a handwritten note indicating an intention on the part of the decedent to take his own life, resulted in 'suicide' as the determined manner of death."



www.commondreams.org...
Gary Webb, a courageous investigative journalist who was the target of one of the most ferocious media attacks on any reporter in recent history, was found dead Friday after an apparent suicide.
In August 1996, Webb wrote one of the first pieces of journalism that reached a massive audience thanks to the Internet: an explosive 20,000 word, three-part series documenting links between coc aine traffickers, the crack epidemic of the 1980s and the CIA-organized right-wing Nicaraguan Contra army of that era. The series sparked major interest in the social justice and African-American communities, leading to street protests, constant discussion on black-oriented talk radio and demands by Congressional Black Caucus members for a federal investigation. But weeks later, Webb suffered a furious backlash at the hands of national media unaccustomed to seeing their role as gatekeepers diminished by the emerging medium known as the WorldWideWeb.
Webb's explosive San Jose Mercury News series documented that funders of the Contras included drug traffickers who played a role in the crack epidemic that hit Los Angeles and other cities. Webb's series focused heavily on Oscar Danilo Blandon, a coc aine importer and federal informant, who once testified in federal court that "whatever we were running in L.A., the profit was going to the Contra revolution." Blandon further testified that Colonel Enrique Bermudez, a CIA asset who led the Contra army against Nicaragua's leftwing Sandinista government, knew the funds were from drug running. (Bermudez was a colonel during the Somoza dictatorship in Nicaragua.)



www.prisonplanet.com...
Evidence Begins To Indicate Gary Webb Was Murdered
Webb Spoke Of Death Threats, 'Government People' Around His Home
Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson | Updated December 15 2004
UPDATE: Only In Arkansas: Webb 'Double Gunshot Wounds' Explanation Defies Belief
We will simply not let the issue drop. How on earth can somebody have two different gunshot wounds and their cause of death still be passed off as suicide?
UPDATE: Coroner: Gary Webb's Death Confirmed as Suicide
First it was multiple gunshot wounds, then it was just one and now it's multiple again. Would somebody stealing your motorcycle really drive you over the edge?
UPDATE: Do you really think someone can shoot themself in the face twice? How stupid do they think we are? (WARNING EXTREMELY GRAPHIC)
Credible sources who were close to Gary Webb have stated that he was receiving death threats, being regularly followed, and that he was concerned about strange individuals who were seen on multiple occasions breaking into and leaving his house before his apparent 'suicide' on Friday morning.
Webb, a Pullitzer prize winning journalist, exposed CIA drug trafficking operations in a series of books and reports for the San Jose Mercury News. He was found dead on Friday morning in what the police said was an apparent suicide.


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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 05:14 PM
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edited out for content..

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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 05:49 PM
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Robin Cook
Politician who died of a msyterious heart attack while out walking




news.bbc.co.uk...
Former Cabinet minister Robin Cook, 59, has died after collapsing while hill walking in north-west Scotland.
It is believed he was taken ill while walking with his wife Gaynor near the summit of Ben Stack, at around 1420 BST, Northern Constabulary said.
Mr Cook was flown by coastguard helicopter to Raigmore Hospital in Inverness, where he was pronounced dead, said an NHS Highland spokesman.
Mr Cook quit as Commons leader in March 2003, in protest over the war in Iraq.
Following Mr Cook's death, former friends and colleagues paid tribute to him.

www.tpmcafe.com...

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Princess Diana

Mother of future king of England - having an affair and rumoured to be pregnant to Dodi Al Fayed an Egyptian.



www.coverups.com...
WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT: THE ACCIDENT
At precisely 12:15 A.M. on Sunday, August 31, 1997, the security staff of the Ritz Hotel were alerted.
Dodi and Diana were ready to depart through the rear entrance of the hotel. The green Range Rover and the decoy black Mercedes (the latter driven by the hotel's senior limousine driver) pulled out into the Place Vendome, circles the square and then returned to their parking spots. The photographers there were stymied.
Meantime, the second black 1994 Mercedes S-280, with Henri Paul at the wheel and Trevor Rees-Jones in the passenger seat, sped away from the rear of Ritz; Dodi was behind Paul, Diana on his right, behind Rees-Jones. In the excitement, only Rees-Jones fastened his seat belt. It was 12:20 when the car sped south on Rue Cambon, then went along Rue de Rivoli and past the splashing, illuminated fountain and Egyptian obelisk of the Place de la Concorde. By the time the Mercedes was hugging the Seine and heading toward the underpass, the few paparazzi on motorbikes had dropped behind. Photographs of speeding cars (more to the point, of their occupants) are notoriously difficult to obtain at night; besides, the windows of the Mercedes were heavily tinted. Nor did any of these men wish to risk their lives by edging their bikes close to a speeding vehicle.
Hence, the "Paparazzi killed Diana" theory turns out to be bull.



www.londonnet.co.uk...
Death of the Princess
Flowers for Diana at Kensington Palace: Click here for Kensington Palace info and ticketsDiana - The Conspiracy Theories
Famous people meeting strange ends is a phenomenon that always seems to bring out the conspiracy theorists. The death of Diana, Princess of Wales is no exception.
Here we look at the major conspiracy theories to have seen the light of day so far. Then come some of your own bizarre thoughts.


www.time.com...
www.greatdreams.com...


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Hunter Thompson
An outspoken writer who was believed working on a WTC expose at time of death


www.prisonplanet.com...
Hunter Thompson was working on WTC collapse story before mysterious sudden death, warned he'd be 'suicided'
Total 9/11 Info/Prison Planet | March 2 2005
Toronto Globe and Mail February 26, 2005:
Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think . . ."
Hunter S. Thompson ... was indeed working on such a story.
Now check out this February 25 Associated Press story about Thompson's death. Sounds a lot like a professional hit with a silencer:
"I was on the phone with him, he set the receiver down and he did it. I heard the clicking of the gun," Anita Thompson told the Aspen Daily News in Friday's editions.

www.theatlantic.com...

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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by Mayet
Robin Cook
Author and politician who died of a msyterious heart attack while out walking


Actually, I don't think you're referring to the author:
www.who2.com...

I hope not at least--I love his books...



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 06:02 PM
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Thanks for clarifying that for me. I presumed..I should never presume *slaps wrist.

I am glad too... I am not as sad now about it, isn't that cruel. I too love his books, so inriguing and so eye opening to possibilities



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 07:24 PM
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Dr. David Kelly

Weapons expert who publicly spoke against the blair administration and lies from the administration.


www.indymedia.org.uk...
Hopefully the coroner will, at the very least, establish:
a) whether the knife found at the scene in the copse belonged to Dr. Kelly, and
b) whether the prescription painkillers found at the scene had been prescribed to him.
We have seen footage of a softly-spoken man, giving measured responses to a Parliamentary Select Committee; and we have been invited to draw the conclusion that the way he has been treated by Parliament, the press and the MoD has upset him so much that he saw no alternative to taking his own life. It is important to remember, however, that his refreshingly-gentle tone of voice belied his positions as a senior UN arms inspector and as the head of microbiology at Porton Down. It seems questionable that the man whom Saddam Hussein, his chief scientists and their minders couldn't intimidate, would kill himself because a few British politicians have been mean to him.
It is also implausible that Dr. Kelly was made suicidal by press coverage. Kelly, says Tom Mangold, "spoke to lots of journalists, not for self-aggrandisement, but because he wanted them to report WMDs properly".
Mangold also says "Suicide just wasn’t David. He could handle the worst that the world could throw at anyone. He fought the Iraqi intelligence services and won. This was a man who discovered that Iraq had imported 32 tonnes of bio-growth material. He wrote the book on bio-weapons. It’s a hard field and he wasn’t a fragile man".



www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...
LORD HUTTON was confident he had uncovered the truth. In Room 76 of the Royal Courts of Justice, he declared that Britain's most eminent microbiologist, David Kelly, killed himself by slashing his left wrist with a garden knife after swallowing a batch of painkillers.
The scientist at the heart of the maelstrom over Iraqi weapons of mass destruction had found the pressure unbearable. Publicly outed for an illicit conversation with a BBC radio journalist, he was terrified of losing his job and, at 59, he committed suicide. Lord Butler's conclusions, founded on countless hours of testimony, are clearly solidly based. Yet there are a growing number of people who voice grave doubts over whether this is how Dr Kelly died in an Oxfordshire wood during a summer night last year.
Even before Lord Hutton's historic judgment, Mai Pederson, an American army intelligence officer and confidante of Dr Kelly, said the scientist would never have taken his own life.
More intriguingly, she explained that he hated all types of pill. He even had trouble swallowing a headache tablet.
Admittedly, Pederson is a shadowy figure who declined to present herself in person to the Hutton Inquiry. Yet her doubts have been endorsed by a number of respected doctors who say David Kelly cannot have died from blood loss or painkiller poisoning, certainly on the evidence presented to the law lord.


www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk...
very detailed list of reports.


news.bbc.co.uk...
Here are the major points from Lord Hutton's report into events surrounding the death of weapons expert Dr David Kelly.

ON DR KELLY'S DEATH
# Dr Kelly took his own life and no third party was involved
# No-one involved could have contemplated that Dr Kelly would take his own life as a result of the pressures he felt


THE HUTTON REPORT
Full Report
(PDF file 2MB)

Hutton report in full (html version)
Chapter 12: Summary
# Dr Kelly was not an easy man to help or to whom to give advice
# Can not be certain of factors that drove Dr Kelly to suicide
# Dr Kelly probably killed himself because of extreme loss of self-esteem and would have seen himself as being publicly disgraced
# Dr Kelly would have felt his job was at risk and that his life's work could be undermined

ON ANDREW GILLIGAN'S REPORT
# Andrew Gilligan's report that Downing Street "probably knew" the 45-minute claim in its Iraq dossier was wrong was a grave allegation and attacked the integrity of the government and the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC)
# The 45-minute claim in the Iraq dossier was based on a report received by the intelligence services that they believed to be reliable
# Whether or not that source was subsequently shown to be unreliable, the central allegation made by Andrew Gilligan in his BBC report was unfounded
# The allegation that the reason the claim was not in the original draft of the dossier was because it was only from one source and the intelligence service did not believe it to be true, was also unfounded
# It is not possible to reach a definite conclusion as to what Dr Kelly said to Mr Gilligan



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 07:57 PM
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As an interesting aside to this. I have a theory on "high profile death by disease or suicide"

as spoken before I really believe that the chemical balance of the mind can be influenced by drugs and also low frequency radio signals that interfere with the mind as well, sending the perosn into a deep moroase state. A push here and a push there and we have a suicide.

Disease can be introduced to anyone easily enough. In another thread I mentioned Dan Brown, the author of the Da Vinci code and another book by him called Deception Point. In that book he actually mentioned an idea I had had for quite a few years. Called microbots in the book, they were teeny tiny almost microscopic radio controlled deadly robots that acted like mosquitoes to sting and poison the target.

So there we have an idea of how these diseases can be transmitted, like in the case of arafat and Lange.

Now heres the part that I have been thinking deeply on. A month or so back it was reported in the news that two of AUstralia's top high profile prisoners had died in the same day, on separate sides of the country.

Prisoner Phillip Bell - notorious Paedophile died of "cancer"

Prisoner John Glover - The Granny killer hung himself in his cell.

here we have two prisoners, who no one wants to see ever released from jail, dying the same day in both the exact methods mentioned previously in this thread, suicide and disease. I think they were experiments, expendable unwanted experiments.

Glover was already off centre. he killed and raped old ladies and placed their shoes all neatlike facing the door next to their bodies. Suicide would be easy with enough low frequency directed at him until he was so depressed. Prisoners don't usually hang because hanging materials are taken away from them.

Bell, well as he was a cancer that spread to innocent children everywhere, it was more apt that he should die of a painful wasting disease. He was also rumoured to be in a police paedophile ring. So it stands to reason there are people who didn't want him talking


More info on Bell
www.cdp.org.au...



By way of explanation, Task Force Speedo was a New South Wales Police Service intelligence-gathering operation that concentrated on the allegations of a certain Mr Fisk of a police paedophile protection ring. On Monday of this week, 30 November, Philip Harold Bell was found guilty of 28 child sexual assault charges against five youths in the 1980s. In 1996 Bell was called to give evidence to the Wood royal commission but fled the country before doing so. It has been almost two years since his arrest after an international manhunt. On the front page of a Sydney tabloid of 1 December the verdict was described as "BELL GUILTY Millionaire paedophile convicted on 28 charges." Honourable members will know that Bell is now awaiting sentence.



www.newnation.org...
From jet-setting, fun-loving millionaire to penniless paedophile carrying "100-kilogram backpacks of guilt". Such was the demise of Phillip Harold Bell, 70, who has died after a long illness in Sydney's Long Bay jail hospital. Bell, two years short of a possible parole, was arrested at a swank South African surfing resort after a global manhunt in 1997. He was jailed for 14 years for 75 sex offences on 18 boys aged 12 to 15. He pleaded not guilty at his trial, maintaining he was not a paedophile but a hebephile who enjoyed the reciprocal love of a man and a youth.


www.parliament.nsw.gov.au...

with remissions for good behaviour it would not have been long before the millionaire self confessed hebephile would have been released from prison.
What better way to stop these criminals being released and to experiment with biological defense.

For info on Glover type granny killer glover into google.



SMH
John Wayne Glover, 72 - known as the Granny Killer - was found in his Lithgow jail cell and pronounced dead at 1.25pm (AEST), a NSW Corrective Services spokesman said.

He had been serving life without parole for the murder of six elderly women on Sydney's north shore between 1989 and 1990.

In May he collapsed in his cell and was placed on suicide watch after telling prison officers: "I've had enough - I want to kill myself."

At that time he was assessed by a mental health review team and monitored by closed circuit television, receiving a complete medical check-up, having undergone two operations in previous years for cancer.


oh cancer as well as suicide

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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 08:28 PM
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The more I look at teh Glover suicide the more it stinks like a skunk



Granny killer John Glover has been placed on suicide watch at Lithgow Jail after telling prison officers: "I've had enough - I want to kill myself."

Jailed in 1991 for the murder of six elderly women, 72-year-old Glover was assessed by a mental health review team yesterday and is confined alone in a "safe cell" under 24-hour closed-circuit TV surveillance.

The saga began on Thursday night when Glover collapsed in his cell, fell into an apparent coma and couldn't speak.

Glover, who carries prisoner number 13, was rushed under a special security escort to the nearby Bathurst Hospital, where he was given a complete medical check-up.

The attending doctor became suspicious when he discovered Glover's "collapse" appeared to be faked and he concluded that Glover had "feigned his illness" and should be returned to prison.


*mysterious coma like collapse
*on suicide watch in a "safe cell"
*prisoner number 13
*Comment "I have had enough I just want to die.......



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 11:24 PM
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I saw David Lange at an air port about 7 years ago ..... considering how well "liked" the man was ...... Many people turned there backs to him and many scoffed in discust at the man.

He looked like a disgrace to tell the truth.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 03:25 AM
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Well, it's obvious that people are whacked by the good ole american gov. but they would never admit it. unfortunately, some people really and truly believe that americans actually "care" and would take action if the gov. was exposed. Not so. The american people would rather sit and die before they took any action to right a wrong or even save their own lives.
Some people believe that if they could just prove it in a book, the people would listen or "do something". Fact is, that americans deserve no freedom and don't even deserve to live. They are spoiled, over consuming, parasitic locusts, that would never lift a finger for life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness- or justice. Government does what they do because they know that america is a cesspool of lazy gluttons. What are ya gonna do, go to DC and revolt or abolish the gov.? thats your daddy, they know it. you wouldn't dare revolt against your daddy the provider.
Crusaders just don't get it. They're in it alone.

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posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 03:37 AM
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Glad you've included David Kelly on this list, Mayet.

I've always felt that his death has elements of 'oddness' about it - and especially so after the white wash of the Hutton Report.

The email correspondance that is listed as evidence in the Hutton report is interesting. Of course there is the infamous Judy Miller *Dark Forces* email but there is an earlier one from Kelly (evidence ref no 0164-0165) which given current shenagingans over in DC is decidely interesting...

Also of course one has to ask the question - is that *all* the email that was found on his computer??



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 04:05 AM
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Olof Palme





Swedish politician. He was the leader of the Social Democratic Party from 1969 to 1986 and was Prime Minister of Sweden with a Privy Council Government from 1969 to 1976 and with a Cabinet Government from 1982.

He was assassinated in 1986. The shocking murder still haunts Sweden and its neighbouring Scandinavian countries to this day.




Olof Palme could often be seen without any bodyguard protection, and the night of his murder was one such occasion. Walking home from a movie theatre with his wife Lisbet on the central Stockholm street Sveavägen, close to midnight on February 28, 1986, the couple were attacked by a lone gunman. Palme was shot twice in the stomach, his wife was shot in the back.

Police said that a taxi-driver used his mobile radio to raise the alarm. Two young girls sitting in a car close to the scene of the shooting tried to help the Prime Minister. He was rushed to hospital but was dead on arrival; Mrs Palme's wound was treated and she recovered. The attacker escaped eastwards on the crossing Tunnelgatan and disappeared.

Deputy Prime Minister Ingvar Carlsson immediately assumed the duties as Prime Minister and as new leader of the Social Democratic Party.

Palme's assassination remains unsolved with a number of conspiracy theories surrounding the murder:

a. a right-wing extremist Victor Gunnarsson was quickly arrested for the murder but was soon released, after a dispute between the police and prosecuting attorneys;

b. the Kurdish connection - Hans Holmér, the Stockholm police commissioner, followed up an intelligence lead passed to him (supposedly by Bertil Wedin) and arrested a number of Kurds living in Sweden, after allegations that one of their organisations, the PKK, was responsible for the murder. The lead proved inconclusive however and ultimately led to his removal from the Palme murder investigation. Fifteen years later, in April 2001, a team of Swedish police officers went to interview Kurdish rebel leader Abdullah Ocalan in a Turkish prison about Ocalan's allegations that a dissident Kurdish group, led by his ex-wife, murdered Palme. The police team's visit proved futile;

c. the fanatic - more than a year and a half after Palme's death Christer Pettersson, a small-time criminal, drug user and alcoholic, was arrested for the murder in December 1988. Identified by Mrs Palme as the killer, Pettersson was tried and convicted of the murder, but was later acquitted on appeal to the High Court. The appeal succeeded mainly because the murder weapon had not been found. Additional evidence against Pettersson surfaced in the late 1990s, mostly stemming from various petty criminals who had altered their stories but also from a confession made by Pettersson. The chief prosecutor, Agneta Blidberg, considered re-opening the case. But she acknowledged that a confession alone would not be sufficient, saying: "He must say something about the weapon because the appeals court set that condition in its ruling. That is the only technical evidence that could be cited as a reason to re-open the case." While the legal case against Pettersson therefore remains closed, the police file on the investigation cannot be closed until both murder weapon and murderer are found. Christer Pettersson died on September 29, 2004;

d. the apartheid South Africa connection - on February 21, 1986 - a week before he died - Palme made the keynote address to the Swedish People's Parliament against Apartheid which was held in Stockholm and was attended by hundreds of anti-apartheid sympathizers as well as leaders and officials from the ANC (Oliver Tambo) and the Anti-Apartheid Movement. Over ten years later, in September 1996, Colonel Eugene De Kock, a former South African police officer, gave evidence to the Supreme Court in Pretoria. Col De Kock alleged that the Swedish Prime Minister was shot and killed in 1986 because "Mr Palme strongly opposed the apartheid regime and Sweden made substantial contributions to the ANC." De Kock also named those alleged to be responsible for the murder: another former South African police officer - turned superspy - Craig Williamson; Swedish mercenary Bertil Wedin (living in Northern Cyprus since 1985); and Anthony White, a former Rhodesian soldier with links to the South African security services. As a result, Swedish police investigators visited South Africa in October 1996 but drew a blank.


Extracts taken from Wikipedia.


From reading articles in the press and on the internet, it would seem that the smart money is on the South African connection. Alledgedly, the South African Defence Force ran something called Operation Longreach, the purpose of which was to spy on, and possibly eliminate, opponents of the Apartheid regime abroad. Olof Palme was said to have been a victim of this operation.

One of the main players in this scandal, Craig Williamson, was granted immunity from prosecution by the South African 'Truth And Reconcilliation Commision'. He literally got away with murder.

An interesting piece of trivia is connected to this case. The film Red Scorpion, starring Dolph Lundgren, was supposedly financed by the South African Defence Force for propaganda purposes. It is said that all military hardware seen in the film was supplied by SADF.

More Information
Assassin Named?


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posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 10:59 AM
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Shot Messenger:

I'm saying this as politely as I can. .. I beg to differ!
Your inappropriately vile name-calling of Americans is ridiculous to say the least. Secondly, this is not the place for your hate. Generalizations of entire races, countries, nationalities etc. is moronic and unenlightened.

It is also against the policies of ATS. We don't sign on here to stab at each other . This is for intelligent discussion of topics.

The only value I do see in your post is that alot of people on this planet feel similar sentiments towards Americans and it is important to have discourse between these people and Americans so America can become more liked and help citizens of other countries.

And I think Americans should do more to better the lives of people in other countries. There's more I could say about this but, I'm going to sign off and see if anyone else wants to comment. By the way, where are you from? if you don't mind disclosing that.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by otterbaby
Generalizations of entire races, countries, nationalities etc. is moronic and unenlightened.
It is also against the policies of ATS. We don't sign on here to stab at each other . This is for intelligent discussion of topics.

Don't worry, you'll get used to it, though I must admit, I thought this statement was rather unjustified -


Originally posted by shot messenger
Fact is, that americans deserve no freedom and don't even deserve to live. They are spoiled, over consuming, parasitic locusts, that would never lift a finger for life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness- or justice.


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posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 11:12 AM
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Mustn't forget Wellstone. And oh yeah, all those other plane crashed Democrats.



Was Wellstone assassinated?

The first question really was, how could anyone be crazy enough NOT to ask the question seriously? It has become quite fashionable to heap instant disdain and superior ridicule on any talk of foul play and conspiracy in high places as a sign of "mania" or "paranoia", but as some have pointed out, the fact that so many people were quick to raise suspicions is nothing but a healthy sign, regardless of what the story turns out to be! Perhaps the public is starting to wake up to reality and understand, "it DOES happen here"? What is undeniable is that politics by airplane crash is an old tradition and has been practiced around the world. Many people quickly recalled other shady "accidents" from the past. Some pointed out by Mike Ruppert:

Rep. Hale Boggs, D-La., was killed in 1972 and had been an outspoken member of the Warren Commission investigating the assassination of JFK. Various sources reported that he had openly expressed doubts about the commission's findings.

Rep. Jerry Litton, D-Mo., was killed while campaigning for a U.S. Senate seat from Missouri nearly two months before the 1976 election. This was exactly the same fate that was to befall Missouri Democratic Gov. Mel Carnahan twenty-four years later.

Rep. Larry McDonald, D-Ga. and the national chairman of the John Birch Society and creator of a private intelligence operation called Western Goals, was killed on KAL 007 after it had mysteriously veered off course on a flight to South Korea and ventured several hundred miles into Soviet territory. The plane was shot down by the Soviet air force. At the time, McDonald's Western Goals was being exposed in an LAPD intelligence scandal linked to massive domestic spying, the CIA and covert operatives like Gen. John Singlaub.

Rep. Larkin Smith, D-Miss. was killed in a private plane crash in 1989. At the time he had been working with veterans of U.S. Army Special Forces looking into the deaths of five Green Beret colonels, all of whom had been connected to a covert CIA drug operation known as Watchtower. [Details of Smith's death are included in the FTW package "The Tyree Papers."]

Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown, a Democrat, was killed in a plane crash in Croatia on April 3, 1996. There are many unresolved mysteries with this incident, not the least of which is a color photograph of a post mortem Brown, which is frequently displayed by comedian/activist Dick Gregory, clearly showing a bullet wound in the back of his skull. John Tower, a recently retired Republican senator from Texas known for his heavy drinking, was writing a book about the Iran-Contra affair when he was killed in a plane crash in 1991. Tower had reportedly been extremely unhappy when he had been denied an appointment as secretary of defense by President George Herbert Walker Bush. Tower had also been the chairman of a Reagan-appointed independent commission investigating Iran-Contra.

In a recent investigative piece at FTW, Ruppert draws the following conclusions, which are supported by other researchers:

• icing or adverse weather conditions were not to blame.

• pilot error was very unlikely. Two very experienced pilots were on board.

• the King Air 100 is a remarkably reliable and safe aircraft.

Also, Ruppert reports off-the-record Congressional sources who believe Wellstone was murdered.

The following, after some interesting local opinion from Twin Cities, as well as a re-post of the important FTW article:

WELLSTONE 911 PARALLELS OF PEOPLE WAS PAUL WELLSTONE MURDERED? Democrats Twice As Likely to Die In Crashes




An early article from Portland Indymedia contained what is still one of the most apt observations about the whole affair:

Sherlock Holmes solved at least one case by noticing that something that should be present was missing. In the Hound of the Baskervilles, he solved the case by noticing that no one reported a barking dog. So what's missing in terms of the Wellstone plane crash? For the last 14 months, anytime there has been a plane crash, the media go way overboard in assuming that this must somehow be a terrorist incident. The initial reaction of the media in the first hours of the event is always now "oh my, I hope this isn't happening again. I hope this isn't another terrorist attack." Just a few days ago, there was a news story that Al-Queda may be targeting US Senators. The story referred to the possibilities of sniper attacks on golf courses. Just a few days later, a US Senator dies. So, what's missing? Sen. Wellstone's plane crashes, and there is absolutely no speculation that this is a terrorist attack. Somehow the media immediately knows that this plane crash was caused by bad weather, and this is in no way a terrorist attack. The media dog has been barking "terrorist" steadily for 14 months. Today the dog didn't bark.




posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 11:36 AM
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Shot Mess:

And ,by the way, you're wrong about what Americans would do if they knew. America was built by outcasts, rebels, and explorers -all with guts and perserverence to survive and thrive in a new Land.

We also fought a war for freedom from England -people did revolt. We also fought a civil war to eliminate slavery. Trust me on this: if Americans knew for a fact all these conspiracy ideas were true and if we knew the Government was killing people, we would fight. Of course not everyone but, enough people to do the job.

Don't underestimate the citizens of the United States of America! By the way: talk about guts --Those people on the plane that said " Lets roll" and fought the highjackers-they knew they were going to die but, they had the guts to fight and save the lives of the people where the plane was headed.

I just wonder what the wife of the guy that led that bunch would have to say about you saying Americans are lazy gluttons and don't even deserve to live and wouldn't fight for their own freedom? I think many many people over history and recently have fought and lost their lives and the lives of loved ones so America would remain free.

What an unfounded bunch of junk.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 11:44 AM
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First of all, Mayet, you got my wats vote. What a great idea for a thread. I will start looking into it myself. I am anxious to see who else is added to this list

As for you,

Originally posted by shot messenger
The american people would rather sit and die before they took any action to right a wrong or even save their own lives.
Some people believe that if they could just prove it in a book, the people would listen or "do something". Fact is, that americans deserve no freedom and don't even deserve to live. They are spoiled, over consuming, parasitic locusts, that would never lift a finger for life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness- or justice. Government does what they do because they know that america is a cesspool of lazy gluttons. What are ya gonna do, go to DC and revolt or abolish the gov.?


Your are obviously not an American. We are free and have good lives, because we got up off our butts and earned it. We stood up and fought for what we believed in and what was right. A lot of men died so that we could be free. Every American is proud of that. If the government needs to be corrected, we have the right and the freedom to do something about it. If the government were to put our freedom, or our country at risk, yes, we would do something about it. If it is an American who is responsible for the deaths of these men, then we will do something about it. Untill then, I am going to sit my lazy butt here at this computer, voice my opinions, discuss religions on other threads and learn what ever I can, because my Grandpa and my great Grandpa fought like hell so that I could.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 12:08 PM
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MrsDudara: thank you, thank you, thank you! I thought I was the only one that was going to set shot messenger straight about his delussions of the american people. He got me so going ,.I posted 2 responses to him.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 12:57 PM
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John Walton

Walmart heir often described as "The nicest man in the world" died in a plane crash June 2005




www.abc.net.au...
ELEANOR HALL: To the United States now and the news this lunchtime that John Walton, the heir to the Wal-Mart fortune, has died in a light aircaft crash.

A billionaire with a penchant for flying homemade planes, Mr Walton was recently listed as the 11th richest person in the world, and his family's retail business is a US and worldwide phenomenon.

With more details, North America Correspondent Leigh Sales joins me now.

Leigh, what can you tell us about this plane crash?

LEIGH SALES: Well John Walton, who's 58 is the second son of the founder of Walmart, Sam Walton. Today around lunchtime he was taking off from an airstrip in Jackson, Wyoming, where he lives, and shortly after takeoff the plane crashed and he was pronounced dead on the scene.

We don't know yet what the cause of the crash was. The weather was fine, so investigations are still ongoing. It was an ultralight plane, it was a home made, experimental aircraft, it had an aluminium frame and wings and the covering of it is described as being similar to the sort of material that sail cloth is made out of.

ELEANOR HALL: Being a home made plane seems a little extraordinary. Do we know that he had some sort of obsession with home made planes?

LEIGH SALES: No, we don't, because details… the company only announced late this afternoon, or a very short time ago, an hour or so ago, that he'd died. They informed employees around the world, so we don't know much about him and about his obsessions and that sort of thing yet, but yes, the fact that the plane was home made instantly stands out
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Sparks Data
- First Solar will build a second US$74 million plant in Ohio to manufacture solar panels, and the Arizona company expects to sell 300,000 panels this year as the price for silicon continues to rise. The majority shareholder in the Arizona company is Wal-Mart heir John Walton.




Mr. Walton is the Chairman of True North Partners, L.L.C., which holds investments in technology companies. He has been a member of the Board since 1992.


corporate-law.widener.edu...
Court Case Over merger of First Solar and True North


Mother Jones
Walton -- himself a product of public schools, as are his two children -- feels so strongly that the federal government is failing students that he created the Children's Scholarship Fund with Wall Street financier Ted Forstmann (No. 210, $251,000). The two billionaires have each kicked in $50 million, making the New York-based fund the nation's largest privately-funded school voucher program. Over 1 million low-income children have applied for scholarships to attend private schools, demonstrating what backers call "an overwhelming demand for an alternative to the nation's government-run schools." The fund's philosophy: "In order to help our children gain access to the best possible education, we must move to a more market-driven system characterized by diversity, competition, and excellence."
Walton sits on the board of directors of Wal-Mart and is chairman of California-based True North Partners, a venture capital firm that invests in high-tech firms. His wife, Christy, lists herself as a homemaker on federal election documents.





Wiki = Plane Cash
CNN



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 01:41 PM
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List of Plane Cashes Involving "Government Officials Onboard"


Indonesia - Medan September, 4 2005
www.atsnn.com...


ASEAN News
Transportation Minister Hatta Radjasa says the crash will be investigated. Mr. Hatta says people should not speculate, as it is too early to determine the cause of the accident.
The governor of North Sumatra and several other government officials were on the plane, on their way to a meeting in Jakarta with President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono.


Iran - 12 Feb 2002


news.bbc.co.uk...
All 117 people on board an Iranian passenger plane died when it crashed into snow-covered mountains in the west of the country, government officials have confirmed.
The plane was totally destroyed and scattered in small pieces across the mountain
Four government officials were among those who perished on the Tupolev 154, which disappeared from radar screens while flying from Tehran to Khorramabad on Tuesday morning, an official told the Reuters news agency


Nigeria - Oct 23 2005
www.atsnn.com...
www.abs-cbnnews.com...


USA Today
President Olusegun Obasanjo, grieving for his wife who died in Spain within hours of the crash, asked "all Nigerians to pray for all those aboard the plane and their families."



CNN
LAGOS, Nigeria (CNN) -- All 117 people aboard a passenger jet that crashed shortly after take-off from Lagos are dead, including several high-level Nigerian officials, the government said Sunday.
The identities of the officials were not released, pending notification of relatives.


ok see above stories. Now read the one below.


IOL
Lagos - The second most senior official in the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), Malian general Cheik Oumar Diarra has survived a Nigerian airliner crash, the group's spokesperson said on Sunday.
Diarra, the regional bloc's deputy executive secretary for political affairs, defence and security, was one of a group of ECOWAS officials on board a Bellview Airlines Boeing 737 jet which crashed on Saturday on the way from Lagos to Abuja.
"General Diarra has called his family in Bamako to tell them he's alive. It's confirmed," said ECOWAS spokesperson Adrienne Diop.
Earlier, a spokesperson for Oyo State in southwestern Nigeria, where the plane came down, said that rescuers had reported that as many as half the 117 people on board had survived. There was no word on how many were injured.
Diop had no news on the other ECOWAS officials on the plane. The group had been travelling back to the organisation's Abuja headquarters after some of them had attended a events in Lagos and nearby Cotonou


Venezuela August 16 2005
www.atsnn.com...


news.bbc.co.uk...

The plane was returning to the French Caribbean island of Martinique from Panama.
It was owned by Colombia's West Caribbean Airways and had been chartered by Martinique tour company Globe Trotters.
The victims were mainly Martinique government officials returning home from a holiday with their families.
It emerged that the MD-82 had passed a "complete inspection" by Colombian authorities on Monday.
The aircraft had also been inspected twice by French authorities in Martinique and given the all-clear, French Transport Minister Dominique Perben said.


Cuba - October 6 1976


en.wikipedia.org...
Cubana Flight 455 was a Cubana de Aviación flight departing from Barbados, via Trinidad, to Cuba. On October 6, 1976 two timebombs variously described as dynamite or C-4 planted on the Douglas DC-8 aircraft exploded, killing all 73 people on board in the most deadly act of airline terrorism in the Western hemisphere until September 11. Evidence implicated several CIA-linked anti-Castro Cuban exiles and members of the Venezuelan secret police DISIP. Political complications quickly arose when Cuba accused the US government of being an accomplice to the attack. CIA documents released in 2005 indicate that the agency had prior knowledge that the bombing was going to take place.
Four men were arrested in connection with the bombing: Freddy Lugo and Hernan Ricardo Lozano were sentenced to 20-year prison terms, Orlando Bosch was acquitted, and Luis Posada Carriles escaped from prison and later fled to the United States, where he still lives as of November 2005.


Russia - 14 January 2005


www.mosnews.com...
A passenger aircraft that went missing on Thursday in Russia’s Evenkia, North Siberia, crashed killing all nine people on board, Russian news agencies reported Friday.
Rescuers found the plane on Friday morning near the village of Tura. All seven passengers and two crew members were killed in the crash. According to preliminary reports, the plane crashed into a rock.
Among those killed are the deputy governor of the Evenkia region Ivan Safronov; the head of the region’s fuel, energy and utilities directorate, the chief public health official, and the head of a local oil product retailer. One of the passengers was a 15-year-old boy.


Macedonia - 26 February 2004


www.terroranalysis.com...
MACEDONIA - State funeral of President Boris Trajkovski
The state ceremonial funeral of President Boris Trajkovski is slated for 1155 on 5 March in Skopje, Macedonia. The president and eight others were killed 25 February when their airplane crashed south of Sarajevo, in southern Bosnia. Trajkovski's body will lie in state at the Macedonian Parliament on 4 March. The funeral procession will proceed on foot from the national Parliament building to Bit-Pazar. All foreign VIP delegations will arrive at the cemetery separate from the procession. Authorities will increase security in and around central Skopje, especially 4-5 March, when many of the dignitaries arrive. Special services, processions and prayer vigils will be held throughout Macedonia. Airport delays are possible as a result of the arrival and departure of foreign dignitaries. Government offices and some private businesses will be closed.



www.cnn.com...
Friday has been declared a day of mourning in Bosnia, while Macedonian state radio played classical music and mourners lit candles outside Trajkovski's Skopje office.
Trajkovski was en route to an international investment conference in Mostar. The plane disappeared from radar about 20 miles (32 km) southeast of the Bosnian city.
The apparent crash came on the day Macedonia was submitting its formal application for membership in the European Union.
Confusion as to whether Trajkovski was indeed dead led to the issuing of early condolences from NATO and Ireland.
EU President Romano Prodi said few men in Macedonia have done more than Trajkovski to lead Macedonia toward EU membership.
"We all owe very much to Boris Trajkovski and my sincere hope is that his vision will be a legacy for all Macedonians and will strengthen even further their determination to join the European Institutions soon," Prodi said in a written statement.


Rwanda April 1994

Plane crash killed Rwandan President along with the president of Burundi.


www.hartford-hwp.com...
The Rwandan Government has dismissed press speculation that the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF) shot down President Juvenal Habyarimana's plane in April 1994 as "baseless propaganda".
In a lengthy article, published on 1 March, the Canadian daily, The National Post, said it had obtained a confidential United Nations report which provided detailed testimony from RPF informants on their own involvement in the attack on the plane.
The RFP was a predominantly Tutsi rebel movement, whose long guerrilla campaign against the then Hutu-dominated government had won it the promise of a stake in a future government, and the return of hundreds of thousands of Tutsi refugees.
According to The National Post, the report had been commissioned by former UN Secretary-General Boutros Boutros Ghali in April 1994, but was suppressed three years later.



BBC
The presidents of the African states of Rwanda and Burundi have been killed in a plane crash near the Rwandan capital, Kigali.
Juvenal Habyarimana of Rwanda and Burundi's Cyprian Ntayamira were among 10 people on the aircraft which some reports say was brought down by rocket fire.
The two presidents were returning from a meeting of east and central African leaders in Tanzania at which they discussed ways to end the ethnic violence in Burundi and Rwanda.



www.abovetopsecret.com...
The United Nations has �found� the black box data recorder from a 1994 plane crash that killed Rwandan President Juvenal Habyarimana. After it was apparent that the plane had been shot down, rival ethnic groups began accusing each other of foul play and started a 100 day genocide war that claimed the lives of more that 500,000 people.


Panama - 1 August 1981


www.bartleby.com...
He successfully negotiated new Panama Canal treaties (1977) with U.S. President Jimmy Carter that transferred the Canal Zone and ultimately the canal to Panamanian control. In 1978, he chose not to run for president, though he remained as commander of the National Guard. He died in a plane crash.




More to come - Amazing list. Also co incidental mayhaps but suspicious neverless is the pictures of many of these crash sites showing just the tail of the plane remaining intact. Does this mean a common cause in these crashes or is the tail always left standing in plane crashes.



[edit on 6-11-2005 by Mayet]





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