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NEWS: Pirates Attack Cruise Ship Off Somalia

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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by shots

the Achille Lauro comes to mind real fast.

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That came to mind actually, and I am not joking my husband and I were looking last night for a Caribbean cruise to go on vacation next may I hope they stay in the coast of African and leave the Caribbean alone.




posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 02:07 PM
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Odium,

That's a pretty weak pirate. He doesn't even have a wooden leg or a parrot on his shoulder! :shk:



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
Odium,

That's a pretty weak pirate. He doesn't even have a wooden leg or a parrot on his shoulder! :shk:


Look...this isn't the 1800's. They just don't make them like they used too...



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by Shoktek
The added quote about Somalia at the end does nothing more to fortify any real evidence of terrorists being involved...yes, you do state that all you said is speculation, but I just think it's taking things a bit far to post it immediately after a factual article, in an attempt to swing the real facts towards a persuasive argument...maybe just post the facts, and then post your conspiracy theories in a different thread...


I disagree with you there. The conspiracy theory normally starts with the authors comments. Also allow me to point while I posted my opinion a few hours ago some news sources are also making reference to a possible connection with terrorists albeit a very slim one, it still exists even in the minds of others.


They are also very well organized and not just rag tag groups as one might think. Certainly the sort of individuals Al quida would want to recruit.

www.terradaily.com...


Also earlier this year their newly elected president did say he feared terrorists.


President Yusuf, aged 70, says "If his secular government fragments, Somalia will remain a failed state, its capital in the hands of Islamic terrorists who would step up attacks across the region, and the world."

Source





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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 02:33 PM
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I don't think it'll be long now where people will start calling nearly everything terrorism. Take this article for example. Maybe shortly it'll be standard practice to call pirates "terrorists," after all, they do terrorize people before and during the act of piracy. (Usually stealing something.)



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 02:58 PM
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No they don't. "Terrorizing" implies the violent targetting of civilians for political gain.

This is for monetary gain.

No matter how "terrible" it is for civilians who are targets of robbery or piracy to GET ON THE GROUND AND SHUT UP OR DIE, the monetary motivation separates the acts of robbery and piracy from terrorization.

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So, unless the pirates said GET ON THE GROUND AND SHUT UP, HAND US YOUR ROLEXES, AND THIS SHIP IS GOING TO CUBA IN THE NAME OF ALLAH AND FOR THE FREEDOM OF THOSE ILLEGALLY IMPRISONED IN CHINA, then it ain't terrorism.

Zip



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by Zipdot
No they don't. "Terrorizing" implies the violent targetting of civilians for political gain.

This is for monetary gain.

No matter how "terrible" it is for civilians who are targets of robbery or piracy to GET ON THE GROUND AND SHUT UP OR DIE, the monetary motivation separates the acts of robbery and piracy from terrorization.

...

So, unless the pirates said GET ON THE GROUND AND SHUT UP, HAND US YOUR ROLEXES, AND THIS SHIP IS GOING TO CUBA IN THE NAME OF ALLAH AND FOR THE FREEDOM OF THOSE ILLEGALLY IMPRISONED IN CHINA, then it ain't terrorism.

Zip


Okay... I realize this... and I bet a great many people on ATS do as well... But what about the people that officially apply the words "terrorism" and "piracy" to events? If the Administration calls piracy terrorism, then people will start jumping on the bandwagon for it...



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 03:06 PM
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Here's a picture of the pirates:


Sky News/N. Fisher



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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
Here's a picture of the pirates:

< -- see photo above -->
Sky News/N. Fisher



Hmm, that's a very little boat to be 100 miles offshore.
There must have been something bigger around somewhere to support it.

I wonder what the second boat in the report is - maybe it's the support vessel... Be interesting to see if any more 'photos come to light.

[Edit: quoted section amended to save repeating the same picture just mm down the page from it's own original posting.]


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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
Here's a picture of the pirates:
[edit on 11/5/2005 by djohnsto77]


DJ there is another photo by fisher only that one shows one holding a grenade launcher. Fox is showing it and saying Sky has it although I have yet been able to find it???



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 03:38 PM
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Yeah, I think I saw a shot with two boats on FOX too, but that was the only one they had on their website.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by Shaker
I don't think it'll be long now where people will start calling nearly everything terrorism.


That is a very cynical tone in your post.

I think it's "emotional terrorism" for you to say such things.



seriously, you'd be surprised what small boats fishermen are comfortable with. Although who knows? Maybe Al Zarkawi is funding a submarine flotilla.

Most pirates in the heydey of Carribean Piracy used canoes. For the stealth.

What does "avast" sound like in Arabic? "durka durka jihad?"



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
seriously, you'd be surprised what small boats fishermen are comfortable with. Although who knows? Maybe Al Zarkawi is funding a submarine flotilla.


err, ok, but rather you than me then, I wouldn't be 100 miles offshore in it.

... but there is that 'well-known' Bin Laden shipping fleet of what, 200+ vessels at the last count ?



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 04:14 PM
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Foxs News is now stating that someone has issued a Terror Alert for the Area. Yes that is right I said terror alert, nothing on the newswires at this time though.

Maybe it is just fox spin but that is what the man said.


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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 04:31 PM
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Pirates in the west coast of Africa is normal and has happen since ever.

Go and see
Pirates hijack Maltese ship off Somali coast
today.reuters.com...

Somali Gunmen Hijack Kenyans
allafrica.com...

Somalia appeals for international help to combat pirates
www.goobjoog.net...


Pirates hijack UN ship
www.goobjoog.net...


and the list goes on

Peace
Crustas



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 04:32 PM
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The ICC has been reporting on the instances of piracy during the year.

The concern about using piracy for terrorist purposes has been around for a little while now, as shown in this article from The Economist, in October 2003.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by 0951
The ICC has been reporting on the instances of piracy during the year.

The concern about using piracy for terrorist purposes has been around for a little while now, as shown in this article from The Economist, in October 2003.


Thanks 0951 that confirms that there may be a link between them as I suspected albeit a very slim one your link proves it could happen.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 05:04 PM
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Nowhere in the given articles does Islamic terrorism assertained as posit causation of this said situation, and has been provided redundantly, this situation is one that has occured many times before.

Fox's news 'terror alert' means nothing then paranoia, who knows, maybe this will be linked to an arbritrary terrorist cell with links to Al-Queda who seem to have disapeared into the abyss of an ocean themselves.

Shots, you're obviously trying to repress your intention of gloomery observing this act of piracy. It's not new of you to claim Islamic terrorism where not evidence exists.

Somolia may have Muslims members in it's society, but that does not somehow denote this creed to being a 'hot spot' for breeding terrorists, and to those who believe as such, you are obviously suffering from a harsh form of bigotry; Islam does not creat terrorism; Economic, Political, and social unrest do, among many other variables.

Luxifero



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Luxifero
Nowhere in the given articles does Islamic terrorism assertained as posit causation of this said situation, and has been provided redundantly, this situation is one that has occured many times before.



I agree with you, but as you know The war on terror ideology has to be kept alive so let's blame anything that is related to US as Terrorist motivated

Hey it works for the Bush followers.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by Luxifero
Shots, you're obviously trying to repress your intention of gloomery observing this act of piracy. It's not new of you to claim Islamic terrorism where not evidence exists.
Luxifero


But evidence does exist Source

As you can clearly see there is certainly the potential for pirates acting as terrorists




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