U.S. charges 4 China spy suspects

It seems that all the talk I have seen on this board informing us (the world) to keep an eye on China in the next few years would be right.

I know that all countries use spies, and all countries spies get caught from time to time. It seems china is pushing very, very hard to gain the upper hand, (economy - military - space) and what a better way to do it than spying.

Maybe we have always caught spies like this, just now releasing information to show China in a bad light?

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- An engineer and Chinese television director are among four people indicted on charges of stealing secret documents on Navy warships and trying to smuggle them to China, prosecutors said Friday.

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What a bunch of dickheads, they should be either imprisoned for life or executed. They're putting national security at risk.

The US has to do more to prevent our technology from landing in Chinese hands. It really wouldn't be good seing a Chinese stealth bomber in the near future.

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Originally posted by RK_Pr0t0c0l
What a bunch of dickheads, they should be either imprisoned for life or executed. They're putting national security at risk.

The US has to do more to prevent our technology from landing in Chinese hands. It really wouldn't be good seing a Chinese stealth bomber in the near future.

[edit on 5-11-2005 by RK_Pr0t0c0l]

If your seeing it , then it wouldn't be very "stealthy"
Nothing new here what comes around in spy circles goes around. I'm sure the U.S. has their fair share of Chinese secrets too, whooptie doo.

brill

The Washington Times has more details:

www.washtimes.com...

"They were funneling information to 2 PLA," one official said, referring to the military intelligence unit of the People's Liberation Army. "The Chinese now know more about our military than we know about their entire country."

Sounds pretty bad.

Originally posted by One Man Short of Manhood
It seems china is pushing very, very hard to gain the upper hand, (economy - military - space) and what a better way to do it than spying.

- In what way could China possibly be described as attempting to "gain the upper hand" in regard to the USA in any military sense?

Gaining some 'secrets' is nothing like the same as having the most advanced R&D infrastructure (built up over decades) in the world.
Nor decades of the worlds largest military spending (currently said to exceed the rest of the world put together).

The idea that the Chinese military are on the verge of over-taking that of the USA's because of this is absurd.

China spends a fraction of what the USA spends and they have nothing like the total offensive capabilities the USA has.

On current budgetary trends there is absolutely no sign of that changing, at all.

This sounds like a rather pale and lame copy of all those 'red scare' stories that were once meant to get everyone terrified about those horrible mad and malevolent Russians always just on the verge (they'll be here any moment now, with snow on their boots!) of invading us all.

I am normally inclined to agree with Sminkey on this one. China is years (most likely 2+ decades) away from actually equaling the US.

HOWEVER, it is very clear now that they are in every way a hostile threat, and IMHO should be dealt with as such. We should pass laws that move all of our cheap labor over to India or Africa, continue securing energy assets in the ME, and starve their economy dry.

Your wrong though China is 2-3 years from having the most advanced subs, missles, and now tanks on the planet. The U.S. of course has some secret weapons, craft, tanks.ect it wont reveal untill like 20 years from now but we cant count those.

Well that are known all we know about in the U.S. force is stuff that was developed in the beginning of the Information Age. China is a much much more deadly threat then you think. They spend around 100 billion on there military but they reported 34 billion and the pentagon noticed they had lied about the funding. The Pentagon report says Chinese defence spending could be up to US$90 billion this year, more than twice the estimated figure given by Beijing.

The report says, China does not now face a direct threat from another nation. Yet, it continues to invest heavily in its military, particularly in programs designed to improve power projection. The pace and scope of China’s military build-up are, already, such as to put regional military balances at risk. Current trends in China’s military modernisation could provide China with a force capable of prosecuting a range of military operations in Asia – well beyond Taiwan – potentially posing a credible threat to modern militaries operating in the region.

China refused the Pentagon’s comments on its military build up in the report, calling it “groundless” and “cold war mentality”.

I feel like im watching a bad movie this is what happen before WW2, Germany was building up it's military and everyone was not making much of a deal out of it and it did not take 20 years and in this day and age and with there man power they can really push it to the limits. Germany taking back its old lands that used to belong to the german people. China is doing the same with taiwan and those islands off the coast of Asia.


Take these into consideration.

China is an atomic super power.
China has a large arsenal of short and medium range missiles and is thought to now have accurate long range missile capability.
China is rapidly building the world’s largest navy and is ever increasing its airpower.
China has the world’s largest army at over 3 million strong.

Many U.S. Companies do business with the PLA, an army that invaded Tibet, kills students and maintains the denial of basic freedoms to Chinese citizens. According to the Institute for Strategic Affairs in London the PLA earns $25 billion a year from its businesses. Profits go back into feeding troops, modernizing aggressive military capabilities and strengthening ambitions for regional and world supremacy. On July 17th 1998 the emerging “strategic partnership” between the U.S. and Red China escalated significantly when it was revealed that members of the elite U.S. Special Forces would train soldiers from the PLA.

China will soon have the world’s second largest economy. China dominates the economies of Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand and the Philippines and runs the economies of Singapore and Hong Kong. China disputes the following boundaries: The boundary with India; sections of the boundary with Russia; the boundary with Tajikistan; a section of the boundary with North Korea; involved in a complex dispute over the Spratly Islands with Malaysia, Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam, and Brunei; maritime boundary dispute with Vietnam in the Gulf of Tonkin; Paracel Islands occupied by China, but claimed by Vietnam and Taiwan; claims Japanese-administered Senkaku Islands, as does Taiwan.

CRIMINAL THREAT TO U.S.
The United States faces a growing threat from Chinese organized crime groups that are using Canada as a base from which to conduct criminal activities. Members of ethnic Chinese criminal groups from China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Macao have exploited Ottawa's immigration policies and entrepreneur program to enter the country and become Canadian residents, making it easier for them to cross into the United States. Canada has become a gateway for Chinese criminal activity directed at the United States, particularly heroin trafficking, credit card fraud, and software piracy. The fact that COSCO has made Vancouver its gateway for operations into North America can only aggravate the situation.

China’s most favoured option in an attack upon the U.S. would be to use biological/chemical weaponry.

Also if you want info on how much they actually own around the world and how much illegel activity they do, and there sales in the black market which also goes into there military funding unchecked just ask. Since I do not want to make this a monster post.

www.sinodefence.com... all about the Communist war machine and about every weapon we know aobut on that site. These are no post atomic age weaponery.

China isnt the real china its actually a communist state right now the real china is taiwan which was pushed to sea by the evil communist up rising that killed more then Hitler, and Stalin combined with over 120 million people just in asia since there rule in the late 50's.



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