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Washington — U.S. Vice-President Dick Cheney made an unusual personal appeal to Republican senators this week to allow CIA exemptions from a proposed ban on the torture of terror suspects in U.S. custody, said participants in a closed-door session.
Mr. Cheney told his audience the United States doesn't engage in torture, these participants added, even though he said the administration needed an exemption from any legislation banning "cruel, inhuman or degrading" treatment in case the president decided one was necessary to prevent a terrorist attack.
The CIA was aware, if no one else seemed to be, that the new White House policy authorized American officers to commit acts for which the Second World War Allies had hanged Gestapo and SS officers and Japanese prison-camp commanders.
The Bush Administration, the CIA, and the U.S. Army now seem addicted to torture, useful or otherwise. People are tortured because this has become the practice. Generalized abuse of captives seems to be thought useful to spread dismay, disorientation, and apprehension among those resisting occupation by foreign troops....... Confirmation of all these practices has come from dozens of reports, witnesses, participants, and from leaked Red Cross, FBI, U.S. Army, and other official documents....... The reports are so numerous, consistent, and mutually supportive as to put the existence of these practices beyond doubt........ (Yet) In response to an Amnesty International demand for an independent inquiry into abuse at U.S. detention centers, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said: “The United States is leading the way when it comes to protecting human rights and promoting human dignity.”
Originally posted by cownosecat
The US government has arrested thousands of people in the war and detained them in these prisons, and we have no idea where these prisons are or what they look like on the inside. Bleh, makes me all yucky feeling inside.
In this case, the room was cleared of aides before the vice-president began his remarks, said by one senator to include a reference to classified material. The officials who disclosed the events spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the confidential nature of the discussion.
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
I feel compelled to again raise the issue with the board in this forum of what the outcome of torturing detainees is, and whether it accomplishes meaningful goals in the WOT or exacerbates the hostility and desperation that is driving the terrorists.
I believe the latter to be true, surprise, surprise. Obviously VP Dick Cheney doesn't agree with me, and neither does the CIA. They've asked him to go to Congress and get an exemption from a proposed ban on the torture of terror suspects in U.S. custody.
Why do they want the exemption? Mr. Pfaff knows.
The CIA was aware, if no one else seemed to be, that the new White House policy authorized American officers to commit acts for which the Second World War Allies had hanged Gestapo and SS officers and Japanese prison-camp commanders.
The reality, to me, and to Mr. Pfaff, is:
The Bush Administration, the CIA, and the U.S. Army now seem addicted to torture, useful or otherwise. People are tortured because this has become the practice. Generalized abuse of captives seems to be thought useful to spread dismay, disorientation, and apprehension among those resisting occupation by foreign troops....... Confirmation of all these practices has come from dozens of reports, witnesses, participants, and from leaked Red Cross, FBI, U.S. Army, and other official documents....... The reports are so numerous, consistent, and mutually supportive as to put the existence of these practices beyond doubt........ (Yet) In response to an Amnesty International demand for an independent inquiry into abuse at U.S. detention centers, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said: “The United States is leading the way when it comes to protecting human rights and promoting human dignity.”
At least 10 detainees released from the Guantanamo Bay prison after U.S. officials concluded they posed little threat have been recaptured or killed fighting U.S. or coalition forces in Pakistan and Afghanistan, according to Pentagon officials.
One of the repatriated prisoners is still at large after taking leadership of a militant faction in Pakistan and aligning himself with al Qaeda, Pakistani officials said. In telephone calls to Pakistani reporters, he has bragged that he tricked his U.S. interrogators into believing he was someone else.
www.washingtonpost.com...
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
If you are in favor of torturing detainees, you might as well be a terrorist yourself, for you are no better than one.
Torturing detainees is practicing terrorism. The WOT is supposed to be about confronting and ending terrorism. Instead, it seems to be encouraging and exacerbating it.
The end does not justify the means. The end result will occur regardless of the means used to attain it.
The means being used to prosecute the WOT are detrimental and counterproductive to its stated objective. Therefore, the stated objective of the WOT must be false, and there is a subterfuge being perpetrated and other motivations and objectives being pursued.
It isn't difficult to think of what those other objectives and motivations might be.
It is really about control of resources that start with O.