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reply posted on 3-11-2003 @ 10:58 AM by intelgurl
Originally posted by Crawford
They tried again during the cold war when they wanted as did the russians to try and get ICBM's there for faster impact times
All this was speculation never proved.

One point; If ICBM's were located in Antartica (south pole) it would have taken a much longer time to reach the former Soviet Union - not a shorter time.

That said, It is true that Admiral Robert Byrd led an expeditionary/invasion force into Antartica in 1947 and the force sustained losses; Whether those losses were due to adverse weather conditions or hostilities the fact remains that a combat ready force was indeed taken down there.

Admiral Byrd is also credited with stating that it was "necessary for the US to take defensive actions against enemy air fighters which come from the polar regions" and that the US could be "attacked by fighters able to fly from one pole to another with incredible speed."

This certainly gives one the impression that there could be some truth to the Nazi propaganda referring to a base in Antartica as well as feed speculation on Nazi engineered UFOs.

There is countless information on this subject to be found on the internet, and my school of thought prefers to follow known facts and then take those facts flavored with the most plausible unsubstatiated assertions to a logical set of conclusions.

Could the Nazi's have established a base in Antartica and kept it both secretive and operational for over 50 years? One would think not, but consider that the Nazi's in Germany had underground research factories that were great feats of construction and engineering, containing winding tunnels, machine shops, assembly plants, launch pads, supply depots and accomodations for all men who worked there - and yet very few people knew that these facilities existed until the end of the war.

Now "white world" scientists are finding 60-70 degree water temperatures in certain locations and magnetic anomalies suggesting the far-fetched possibility of a hidden city or base...

Also since the end of WW2 there has been wave after wave of UFO sightings - in all parts of the world but especially the US and south America. Makes one wonder if there might be a connection.

This is certainly an interesting thread and I look forward to seeing what others have to say...

intelgurl


reply posted on 3-11-2003 @ 01:01 PM by Cyrus
Originally posted by intelgurl
Originally posted by Crawford
They tried again during the cold war when they wanted as did the russians to try and get ICBM's there for faster impact times
All this was speculation never proved.

One point; If ICBM's were located in Antartica (south pole) it would have taken a much longer time to reach the former Soviet Union - not a shorter time.

That said, It is true that Admiral Robert Byrd led an expeditionary/invasion force into Antartica in 1947 and the force sustained losses; Whether those losses were due to adverse weather conditions or hostilities the fact remains that a combat ready force was indeed taken down there.

Admiral Byrd is also credited with stating that it was "necessary for the US to take defensive actions against enemy air fighters which come from the polar regions" and that the US could be "attacked by fighters able to fly from one pole to another with incredible speed."

This certainly gives one the impression that there could be some truth to the Nazi propaganda referring to a base in Antartica as well as feed speculation on Nazi engineered UFOs.

There is countless information on this subject to be found on the internet, and my school of thought prefers to follow known facts and then take those facts flavored with the most plausible unsubstatiated assertions to a logical set of conclusions.

Could the Nazi's have established a base in Antartica and kept it both secretive and operational for over 50 years? One would think not, but consider that the Nazi's in Germany had underground research factories that were great feats of construction and engineering, containing winding tunnels, machine shops, assembly plants, launch pads, supply depots and accomodations for all men who worked there - and yet very few people knew that these facilities existed until the end of the war.

Now "white world" scientists are finding 60-70 degree water temperatures in certain locations and magnetic anomalies suggesting the far-fetched possibility of a hidden city or base...

Also since the end of WW2 there has been wave after wave of UFO sightings - in all parts of the world but especially the US and south America. Makes one wonder if there might be a connection.

This is certainly an interesting thread and I look forward to seeing what others have to say...

intelgurl



reply posted on 19-11-2003 @ 04:41 PM by Lampyridae



reply posted on 20-11-2003 @ 06:14 AM by Lampyridae
Originally posted by SabbyJ
Originally posted by intelgurl
That said, It is true that Admiral Robert Byrd led an expeditionary/invasion force into Antartica in 1947 and the force sustained losses; Whether those losses were due to adverse weather conditions or hostilities the fact remains that a combat ready force was indeed taken down there.

Admiral Byrd is also credited with stating that it was "necessary for the US to take defensive actions against enemy air fighters which come from the polar regions" and that the US could be "attacked by fighters able to fly from one pole to another with incredible speed."


That is totally false. The expeditionary force returned in the shame shape as it had originally left the US with NO casualties. There was NO attack or combat of ANY sort. Admiral Byrd may well have been 'credited' as saying there was, but he was credited falsely. Now you have to ask yourself why this was and who it suits. Answer: only those purveyors of this Nazi/UFO Antarctic base nonsense.

This is just another case of people taking Internet rumour as fact without even bothering to check anything out for themselves.

Begin your education yourself with THIS link.

www.south-pole.com...


Accordingly to the link which you provided, there were in fact four deaths and some injuries, mainly from the crash of a PBM. A helicopter was also lost, both in accidents. There were apparently no combat aircraft aboard the carrier USS Philippine Sea, only six modified R4D transport aircraft (DC-3 variants) plus the helicopter. There would have been no room on deck for fighter aircraft, presumably, and the crew was also inexperienced and the ship brand new - hardly something you'd send into a combat zone.

So, what you said about there being no casualties was false. Kindly bear it in mind when you contradict somebdoy in future.

Douglas R4D

Still, from the website you provided, a few interesting tidbits emerge:

After the outbreak of the war, a few German trading vessels, essentially pirate ships, cruised Antarctic waters in search of potential victims. In January 1941, German Commander Ernst-Felix Krüder, aboard the PINGUIN, captured a Norwegian whaling fleet (factory ships OLE WEGGER and PELAGOS, supply ship SOLGLIMT and eleven whale-catchers) in about 59°S, 02°30'W. The PINGUIN was finally sunk off the Persian Gulf by HMS CORNWALL on May 8, 1941, after she had captured 136,550 tons of British and allied shipping.

However, the basic objectives were not diplomatic, scientific or economic -- they were military. OPERATION HIGHJUMP was, and to this day still is, the largest Antarctic expedition ever organized.

Thanks for the link, anyway, very good and informative site!


reply posted on 24-11-2003 @ 04:26 AM by SabbyJ
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Originally posted by intelgurl
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Accordingly to the link which you provided, there were in fact four deaths and some injuries, mainly from the crash of a PBM. A helicopter was also lost, both in accidents. There were apparently no combat aircraft aboard the carrier USS Philippine Sea, only six modified R4D transport aircraft (DC-3 variants) plus the helicopter. There would have been no room on deck for fighter aircraft, presumably, and the crew was also inexperienced and the ship brand new - hardly something you'd send into a combat zone.


I do have to admit to initially reading the site when half asleep late at night.....but that said, 4 losses due to a PBM crash is hardly a shocking occurence during such a large scale expedition to the frozen wastes, especially given the inexperience of many of the crew. It's hardly the stuff of UFO attacks and mass battles against an unseen enemy is it? Look how many helicopters went down during the first Gulf war due to pilot error, not enemy action - despite being equipped with all the modern technological aids that aircraft in the 1940's were never advantaged with. I do believe I was fully justified in contradicting the other member's somewhat 'extravagant' viewpoint!

I find the image conjured up by the 'Nazi Pirate Ships' in the quote you used rather amusing. It gives a picture of undisciplined, self-serving, vagabonds riding the high-seas in search of random pillage and plunder. These units were in fact sanctioned by the German High Command and were part of the Kriegsmarine, their mission to sink allied shipping whilst disguised as foreign merchantmen and suchlike. Their activities were spread across the globe, not just the antarctic.

For more info check out this fascinating book:

Hitler's Secret Pirate Fleet

At the end of the day, when it comes to secret Nazi bases, if one existed in those icy wastes we'd know about it by now. After all, we live in an age where a spy satellite can peer down through the atmosphere and read a newspaper over your shoulder, and your telephone, radio and Internet communications can be tracked, traced and monitored at the touch of a button.
Even if such a base were underground, there'd be surface activity at some stage, even if it were just some stir-crazy Oberleutnant sneaking outside for a quick cigarette!
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