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posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 11:23 AM
Possible Anti-Christ? I don't know much about what the third anti-christ is supposed to be like, but i do remember reading that he will for sure come from the middle east... and will be viewed as a hero to many. Well recent news is telling me that he is starting to be a "hero" type figure... Didn't it also claim something about this person will bring peace to the middle east?

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia called the threat of al Qaeda in his country "madness and evil," and vowed to ABC's Barbara Walters that his nation would "eliminate this scourge" of terrorism.

In his first interview since becoming king following the July 31 death of his half-brother King Fahd, Abdullah vowed continued support of the U.S.-led war on terrorism.

Abdullah also defended women's rights, predicting women in the Muslim nation will drive in the future. He also discussed oil prices, relations between Saudi Arabia and the United States, and the potential for peace in the Middle East.


Theres the peace in the middle east reference, and also women will praise him for his efforts with defending their rights...

Anyways like i said i don't know much about the predictions of the anti-christ, but what i do know seemed to fit this bill pretty well. So all you prophecy and prediction buffs please discuss

[edit on 4-11-2005 by noslenwerd]

posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 01:49 PM
Although the Saudi Monarchy is quite corrupt. I don't think King Abdullah is the anti christ. He lacks the signs of the anti christ.. one eyed.. and to be the best magician on earth becuz he will come to people saying his heaven which really be fire and his fire will really be heaven. There are a alot more signs... which he doesn't have accoridng to an islamic perpective,

posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 08:29 AM
Hi all/

From reading and from what I can understand of Islamic prophecy on the Antichrist is that the Antichrist will come at the end of times....just as the book of Revelation also says..Daniel among other prophets in the Bible..

Now, what I dont QUITE understand is what is ONE EYED meant to be?
Is that what the Antichrist is meant to look like physically ''EYE EYED"???

The anti-christ will be AGAINST and IN PLACE of Jesus Christ, and with his FALSE PROPHET will do all sorts of ILLUSIONS AND TRICKS MAINLY IN the air .......Jesus Christ WILL APPEAR in GLORY to judge the living and the dead......He will not come as He did the first time ''AS MAN'S SERVANT''

The antichrist will be a MAN born of a woman....he will not be the DEVIL INCARNATE......only God came as man to SAVE MAN from the fall of Adam and Eve.....only God has that power.

There are many antichrist that have come and gone.......but the ANTICHRIST that DANIEL speaks of in the Old Testament is of the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION THAT SITS IN THE HOLY PLACE .......In place of Christ....
any thoughts appreaciated.....
I have not read the Koran, but have read many prophecies of Islam......many signs that the END IS UPON US.....
One of them is ///
eg///A third world war???


posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 10:48 AM
Could this be the one eye relating to your theory?

I have read the revelations, and various bible code studies as well as some of the Native American studies. Regardless of the cultures, they all seem to center on quite similiar prophecy.

posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 03:55 AM
Hi Angelonmyshoulder/

Could this be the one eye relating to your theory?

My theory?
One eyed?
Maybe ive confused you somehow.....
I have heard from muslim prophecy that the Antichrist or the Dijal???having one eye and long arms....nothing like what a normal human would look like.....

the link you gave does not seem to work......

Regardless of the cultures, they all seem to center on quite similiar prophecy.

Yes there are many prophecies relating to the end of times...all being from different faiths....some similar in what they have to say about the signs that we are to look for.therefore we should always be ready at a time we do not expect.........

sorry if im sometimes a bit confusing.....


posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 09:52 AM
I understand there are more characteristics the anti-christ would eventually take on, but im just saying, for the early stages it seems like he might be a good fit

posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 12:01 PM
Interesting, I had seen (and dont recall the addy) a page that felt that Gibson's Passion movie was promoting the anti-christ, because in it the guy playing jesus had one eye closed shut from the beating.

Is this something that is common in one of the christian sects, that the anti-christ will be one eyed?

Also, the saudi king, the idea that there are three successions of anti-christs, starting with Napoleon, progressing to hitler, and ending with a man with a (specifically blue I think) turban, is from Nostradamus, iow not a biblical source, for what its worth.

I think Nostradamus might also specifically note him as comming from 'greater persia' or somethign like that.

So abdullah is ruled out because he has no turban, and might also be ruled out because he's in arabia, not persia.

posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 08:42 PM
This is getting confusing!

At the top of this thread...

Possible Anti-Christ? I don't know much about what the third anti-christ is supposed to be like, but i do remember reading that he will for sure come from the middle east... and will be viewed as a hero to many. Well recent news is telling me that he is starting to be a "hero" type figure... Didn't it also claim something about this person will bring peace to the middle east?

Orthodox Christianity (early church fathers )on the place of.......instead of.....against....

"And in the latter times of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up." (Daniel 8:23)


1. In the prophecies of Patriarch Jacob about each of his sons becoming the progenitors of the tribes of Israel, the fate of Dan's ancestors is depicted in such a way that can only be ascribed to the Antichrist. "Dan shall be a serpent on the way, an adder in the path..." (Genesis 49, 17)
2. In the prophecies of Ierenim: "From Dan himself...(Ierenim VIII,16)
3. In the prophecies of the Apocalypse, enumerating the remainder of all the tribes of Israel, marked by the Angel for salvation, the tribe of Dan is absolutely excluded. (Revelations VII, 4-8).

According to the teachings of the Holy Fathers, the devil, exalting the Antichrist, will try to vest his coming with all the signs of the coming of the Son of God to earth. (See St. Cyril of Jerusalem, the 150th catechistic word; St. Ephrem the Syrian, the 39th word, in the Russian translation Blessed Theodore, "A Short Exposition of Divine Dogma", Chapter 23, St. Ippolit, "The Legends of Christ and the Antichrist")

These teachings are held by the early church and have never been changed....all Fathers agree with what is wriiten about the Rule and coming of the Antichrist....

"I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not; yet if
should come in his own name, him ye shall recieve (John 5, 43) ...
for ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do..." (John 8, 44)

"So, be warned, my friend. I have given you the signs of the antichrist.
Do not merely store them in your memory. Pass them on to everyone without
stint. If you have a child after the flesh, teach them to him forthwith.
And if you have become a godparent, forewarn your godchild, lest he should
take the false christ for the True. For 'the mystery of lawlessness doth
already work.'" (St. Cyril of Jerusalem)

St. Cyril (of Jerusalem) 318-386 A.D.
St. Cyril, archbishop and great luminary of the Church of Jerusalem in the 4th century, was born and raised in the bosom of this Local Church. After leading an ascetic life, about 346 he was ordained priest and in this rank delivered the catechetical lectures which have been handed down to us. In the year 350 he was ordained bishop of the Church of Jerusalem.///


These are prophecies about the Antichrist in Christian Orthodox prophecies.......
I am not sure how similar Islam prophecies view the Antichrist in theirs.....

The Antichrist will be a MAN.....I dont know anything about the Antichrist having one eye......there is nothing written about ONE EYED Antichrist.....not in Christian Prophecy .....


posted on Nov, 12 2005 @ 07:06 PM

Originally posted by noslenwerd
Possible Anti-Christ? I don't know much about what the third anti-christ is supposed to be like, but i do remember reading that he will for sure come from the middle east... and will be viewed as a hero to many. Well recent news is telling me that he is starting to be a "hero" type figure... Didn't it also claim something about this person will bring peace to the middle east?

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia called the threat of al Qaeda in his country "madness and evil," and vowed to ABC's Barbara Walters that his nation would "eliminate this scourge" of terrorism.

In his first interview since becoming king following the July 31 death of his half-brother King Fahd, Abdullah vowed continued support of the U.S.-led war on terrorism.

Abdullah also defended women's rights, predicting women in the Muslim nation will drive in the future. He also discussed oil prices, relations between Saudi Arabia and the United States, and the potential for peace in the Middle East.


Theres the peace in the middle east reference, and also women will praise him for his efforts with defending their rights...

Anyways like i said i don't know much about the predictions of the anti-christ, but what i do know seemed to fit this bill pretty well. So all you prophecy and prediction buffs please discuss

[edit on 4-11-2005 by noslenwerd]

The Royals and the Antichrist

An attack on the Middle East has the potential of plunging the entire globe into mass war and not just for terrorism but for control of world wealth and oil...
The writer of this article predicts that forces will turn on Israel in the end. Including the United States of America.
Because of the old axiom "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it." Speaking of the Antichrist, somewhere lost in the clouds of greed and power a man will come forward with the solution. He will deliver everyone form their woes and sorrow. The person will claim to be from the direct line of Israel. A direct bloodline from the house of king David. A direct bloodline for Jesus Christ.

The question is, "will you believe the lie"?

Some think that Prince William is a candidate for the job. He comes directly from the lineage of King David there-by qualifying him to be accepted by the Rabbi's as the Messiah. But He also comes from the tribe of Dan qualifying him as the false messiah.

Daniel 11.21 There shall arise a vile man, to whom they (Jews) shall not give the Honor of the Kingdon (Title of Messiah) but he shall come in peaceably and obtain the Kingdom by flatteries.Who could deny Prince William.? He will be adored by everyone as Diana was. No one would believe or think it possible for him to be the anti-christ but [he could be ]. Prince Charles is teaching him the ropes right now. He is a 33rd deg Freemason.

The author of this article states that he also comes from the (The tribe of Dan) The 13th Illuminati Bloodline.The descendants believe they have both the Holy Blood of Christ and the blood (or seed) of Satan in their genetic code (also called "the Grail Code") which qualify's William as the Anti-Christ.

So far he is the only person that fits the bill in ALL the prophecy's.

Prince William's number adds up to 666. See his coat of arms, his mothers and fathers credential etc.

Both He and Prince Charles had the micro chip implant on 6 March 1966. Prince William was 12 yrs old.

The marriage of Charles to Diana was so extremely important because Diana brought one aspect of the Merovingian Bloodline back to the English crown.Greatest among the princess's forebearers were the Stuart kings, (Charles II and James II. )She unwittingly gave this bloodline to the current Royal Family, and thus her son Prince William was the first child to claim lineage from every English king who has left descendants.

The author believes that the 7 yr tribulation starts in the yr 2005 -2012. William will be known as King Arthur and will be accepted by Israel as the Messiah of Peace in the year 2006. and will be destroyed in the year 2012. He will turn 30yrs of age in 2012. The same age Christ was at the beginning of his kingship and ministry.

With Prince Charles's Masonic/Islamic status he was welcomed as a hero throughout the middle east Arab countries.He is behind 3 of the most important documents of this decade, the U.N's Global Security Programme, the 7yr Oslo Accord, and the Rio Summit's Agenda 21. The holdings of the House of Windsor constitute enormous wealth.

Prince William comes from the Royal Bloodline of Cain and the false throne of David.

Nostradamus was a member of the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion" which was freemasonry. In his quatrains he refers to the advent of "Le Grand Monarch" indicating that this sovereign will ultimately derive from the Merovingian dynasty. Implying a double hegemony of the Papacy and the Empire, of the Vatican and of the Habsburgs. He frequently referred to the Knights Templars and to the house of Lorraine which is now synonymous with the Habsburgs.

British Israel

In the belief system of 'British Isrsael' it is taught that the literal descendants of the lost ten-tribed House of Israel are found today in the British Commonwealth of Nations, the United States of America, and certain areas of north-western Europe, particularly Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Holland.

Israel has become "a nation and a company of nations" (Genesis 35:11) - the U.S.A. (a nation), and the British Commonwealth (a company of nations).

The people to be reigned over by David's throne were to be descendants of the tribes of Israel, who migrated from Palestine through Europe to the "appointed place" (2 Samuel 7:10), identified as the (British) "Isles" (Isaiah 41:1).

Coat of arms

The British Coat of Arms, like all heraldry, contains much symbolism and provides strong evidence of the nation's origin and ancestry. It clearly displays the national emblems of ancient Israel.

The lion and the unicorn supporting the shield are both identifications of the Israel nation. Speaking of Israel, the Bible says, ". . . he hath as it were the strength of a UNICORN ... he couched, he lay down as a LION, and as a GREAT LION who shall stir him up?" (Numbers 24:8-9).

In the beginnings of the Bible story we read how Israel, whose former name was Jacob, obtained the God-given birthright of an everlasting national covenant.

Under the shield is a motto, "Dieu et mon droit" meaning "GOD AND MY RIGHT", referring to this birthright.

The other motto around the shield, "Honi soit qui mal y pense" means "SHAME ON HIM WHO THINKS EVIL OF IT." This again was God's covenant promise to Israel, when He declared, "I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee" (Genesis 12).
The shield is symbolic of God's assurance to David, King of Israel, that his house and kingdom would be established forever (II Samuel 7).

The two quadrants (first and third) containing the lions passants represent England, whilst the second quadrant, containing the lion rampant, represents Scotland.

The Harp, displayed in the fourth quadrant of the shield, is associated with David (as recorded in I Samuel 16:23) and represents Ireland.

The Crowns surmounting the helmet and on the lion and unicorn symbolise Kingship. Abraham and Sarah were promised that their descendants would be kings (Genesis 17:5-6). This was to be Israel's high calling -- to be a nation of kings ruling as God's instruments of blessing.

The British Coat of Arms stands today as a reminder of God's great and unfailing promises.

The following book describes
The Bloodline of the Holy Grail
by Laurence Gardner
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'Virgin' from the Merovingian Bloodline to marry into, in effect, finally legitimizing their long held occult power and authority claimed of them as well as pouring the most Holy Blood of Christ into any child to come from such a union, and so, a Merovingian Virgin was saught by the Windsor's and found in Diana Spencer

This Magdeline heresy prepared in secret by the Knights Templar, a shadowy blood cult who had it's birth in the dark recesses underneath Jerusalem near the Temple Mount at the time of the Crusades, is where most Grail lineage theorists begin. However, the actual plan to bring about a Messiah from the Merovingian line did not begin with these nine men, it can be traced as far back to the ancient Celtic Druids, and far beyond them to a magickal priesthood some label only as Atlantean.

The actual plan to bring about a Messiah from the Merovingian line did not begin with these men, it can be traced as far back to the ancient Celtic Druids, and far beyond them to a magickal priesthood some label only as Atlantean.
Royal quietly along the path that ends with the greatest Occult secret being revealed to the world, to their own future horror. Many of today's occult and "fraternal orders" such as the Scottish Rite Freemasons, and many others trace their spiritual roots to Templarism as they are the gatekeepers, perhaps to hell itself.

A British-led Anglo-Empire uniting the world in 'peace' while bringing forth a Merovingian Arthurian - like leader to the forefront and we have all the makings of a grand global conspiracy. We aren't directly told who this future ruler might be, yet the Occult underground is supposedly preparing their ranks for a young and charismatic Prince who will be seen by many in the future as King Arthur returned.

Both Prince Charles and Prince William carry the name 'Arthur' as middle names. "...King Arthur is not dead, but he shall come again and he shall win the Holy Cross. I will not say it shall be so, but rather I will say there is written upon his tomb this verse: Hic Jacet Arthurus, Rex Quondam, Rexque Futurus...Here lies Arthur, the Once and Future King."

Antichrist has 33 titles in the Old Testament and 13 in the New.

Revelations 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. The composite beast of Revelation 13:2, with the head of a lion, body of a leopard and feet of a bear is symbolic for other people--but not for Prince Charles. It is on his Coat of Arms. It represents the emperors of the Holy Roman Empire. These are the animal symbols for France, the leopard; Germany, the Bear; and England, the lion. These nations represented the western arm of the Holy Roman Empire. His Coat of Arms contains ten heraldic beasts, which is a first for the British Monarchy. All previous British Monarchs had either three or six, but none have ever had ten.

Revelations 13:2 also says, "And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority." The dragon is "symbolic" to others, but not to Prince Charles. He has a red dragon on his coat of arms. It comes from the flag of Wales, and it is in this title, Prince of Wales, that Charles is heir-apparent to the throne of Great Britain. At his coronation (investiture as Prince of Wales) in 1969, he sat on a chair with a large red dragon emblazoned on it. During the ceremony, his mother Queen Elizabeth II said, "This dragon gives you your power, your throne and your own authority." His response to her was, "I am now your Liege-man, and worthy of your earthly worship." Liege is an old English word meaning "Lord". "I am now your Lord-man, and worthy of your earthly worship." Another reference to the red dragon is in Revelations 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Prince Charles is the ONLY person in the world to whom "And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority" can literally be applied to!

Another symbol on Prince Charles' Coat of Arms is that of The Order of the Garter. The Order of the Garter is the parent organization over Free Masonry, worldwide. When a man becomes a 33rd Degree Mason, he swears allegiance to that organization, and thereby to Prince Charles. According to "The 'Morals and Dogma' of the Ancient and Accepted Rite of Freemasonry" written by Albert Pike (Grand Commander, Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry, July 14, 1889) Lucifer is the GOD of Freemasonry (see page 321 of the 1942 edition). On page 819 you will find just one example of why there are many people in Freemasonry who believe that it is natural to be a Christian and a Mason. Masonry intentionally misleads the low degree initiates and hides the truth that the god of Freemasonry is Lucifer, except to those in the 30th and higher degrees. "The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are on display there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them." Further proof of Lucifer worshipping amongst Freemason can be seen in how they measure the year. For instance the year 1998 (up until September) is according to freemasonry the year 5997 AL (that is 5997 anno Lucifer).

Various reports have appeared in London and Arab newspapers over the last few years, claiming that Charles has converted to Islam. This supposedly took place when he met with the mufti of Cyprus Shaykh Nazim Adil (in 1993). Now while there's no actual evidence to prove that he has converted to Islam, there is no evidence to prove that he hasn't. In fact his lecture delivered in February 1994 at Oxford extolling the virtues of Islam, his frequent visits to Islamic holy places, his dedication of a South London mosque, outfitted in traditional Sunnah attire; and his 1993 trip to see the Quran of Sayiddina `Uthman (in Tashkent, Uzbekistan) with Shaykh Hisham Kabbani, only lend credence to the claim. Of course, this is just the sort of tactic to expect from the antichrist. That is to say, if he were to openly come out and say that he had converted to Islam, this would make many Jews wary of him. Whereas, if he were to spread rumors that he was a Muslim and not publicly deny them, then he could get Muslims on his side whilst not alienating Jews.

On June 2nd 1953, with the knights of the garter carrying and holding the canopy over her head, Elizabeth II was anointed and crowned as "Queen of thy people Israel". Both Prince Charles and his mother believe that the throne upon which the queen was crowned, the famous coronation chair at Westminster Abbey in London, is the rightful throne of King David. One of the reasons for this is because up until recently it contained a 336 pound stone known as Jacob's Pillar (also referred to as Jacob's head-rest, the stone of Scone, or the stone of destiny)

Prince Charles is heir to the highest ranking office on earth to be attained solely by birthright.

The Heraldic symbol of London is the Great Dragon.

Domine dirige nos" (Oh Lord Direct us) Is on the Heraldic symbol of London which shows Dragons as what some call the ultimate Blasphemy.

In The Apocrypha Dragons were literally the "Flying reptiles" or the "unnatural or Alien Gods." The dragons demanded the blood of the innocent. Dragons of course were associated anciently with vampirism.

It was Princess Diana who hoped that William would have been a "just" King and she had hoped to be his guide and example.

"I believe Wills can rebuild Camelot and I will be his Merlin. We will return to the chivalry, pageantry and glory of King Arthur's court. William will re-make the Monarchy by showing love, leadership and compassion." - Princess Diana

Israel had planned a Blitzkrieg on southern Iraq called "Operation Shekhinah", in early October of 2001.

Now the picture that was once a blur is beginning to become clearer.

It is believed that this operation was going to be carried out so that Israel could take over the southern Iraqi oilfields for its own domestic use, and at the same time ensure strategic dominance over the Persian Gulf and middle east oil.

Less than one month before the planned Blitzkrieg, Planes slam into the World trade center. This is why Israel was feeling a bit alienated by Bush after 9/11.

They were helpless.

Jewish funding for Shekhinah through the World Trade Center in New York were completely destroyed, forcing Israel to put the operation on hold.

The idea allegedly called for Israel's power to stretch east to the Euphrates.

Outraged by the delay, and realizing they no longer had the financial and military resources and support to invade southern Iraq unilaterally, the Jewish Lobbies immediately called for an attack on Iraq by the United States and her allies, wearing out the old axioms "Saddam the Butcher who turned his weapons on his own people " and alleging that Iraq is making "weapons of mass destruction" and that they will use them on the United States.

Operation Shekhinah is still being considered in spirit and I am sure the wealth will either be divided... or worst-case scenario we all could be blackmailed. It would be a horrific scenario to see the Jews betraying everyone and holding the world hostage with it's new oil fortunes.
Now something needs to happen to coerce Americans into a unanimous support of attacking Iraq and continuing in the once planned Operation Shekhinah.
That is when we will see our next attack.
I am sure it is being planned as I write this and it will be a very horrific attack and it may be an attack that will simultaneously effect the Jews and Americans.
We will then have no other alternative but to weaken Saddam through attacks on economic targets and population centers in northern Iraq.

The Antichrist must be a King
REVELATION 17:8, 11 The Beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the Abyss [which the Occult equates being located in the depths of the Atlantic Ocean], and go into [the Son of] Perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall marvel, whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the Beast THAT WAS, and is not, and yet is. And the Beast that was, and is not, even he is the Eighth (KING), and is of the Seven (Merovingian Kings).

DANIEL 11:33-36 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the Time of the End: because it is yet for a time appointed. And the KING shall do according to his will, and he shall exalt himself above every god,
and shall speak against the God of gods.

DANIEL 8:23-25 In the latter time, a KING of fierce countenance and understanding dark sentences shall arise. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy supernaturally, and shall prosper and practise and shall destroy the mighty and the Holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause Craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes, and he shall be broken. 2 THESSALONIANS 2:3-5 For that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that Man of Sin be revealed, the Son of Perdition who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. For the Mystery of Iniquity doth already work: only he who now restrains will let, until he be taken out of the way and then shall that Wicked be revealed...Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the Love of the Truth (Jesus Christ), that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie...

What is this 'Strong Delusion' and lie that Satan will have most of the world under? UFO's, Atlantis, alternative creation theories, other 'Gods'? All of them will have their place in that future deception yet I'm here to tell you specifically about the Antichrist and his lie that brings him closer to Jewish hearts and minds, and the world - for they perceive their Messiah will have the "Royal Lineage of David" meaning he can have his unbroken Bloodline literally traced thirty centuries back to Israel's beloved patriarch, King David (It is therefore sad to note how Jews both past and present won't recognize Jesus, the True Messiah who easily has his lineage traced back to David and fulfills every single Messianic prophecy attributed him in both advents). The British Royals and their secret society propagandists are infamous for claiming that English and Scotch Royalty are descendedants of Ephraim, chief of the so-called "Ten Lost Tribes of Israel," holding in their possession specific genealogical charts and faux histories to prove it yet it always was and still is a lie. A powerfully deceptive lie that will see 'new evidence' found pertaining to it's supposed credibility at just the right time 'proving' that the prophesied Messiah of Israel will actually be descended from this Celtic-Israel origin, thus allowing Satan to possess one King of Ephraim (England) along this newly defined criteria and ultimately gain access into the Holy Land - to be worshipped as the Messiah, his ultimate goal since the Beginning.

Despite all the myriad of Celtic genealogical falsehoods leading back to King David, elborate charts, faked scrolls, Jewish mysticism, gematria, Kaballah, Zohar, and so-called Bible codes, (that supposedly prove all claims), the religious in Israel are becoming intrigued with the idea. Just as Laurence Gardner and other researchers are putting forth a tremendous effort at proving their heretical information about Christ's Bloodline being found in European and British Royalty which is mainly targeted to those of a responsive Christian, even Pagan mind - there is also a Jewish force doing the same, albeit targeting a Jewish audience. Rabbi Avraham Feld, Yair Davidy and many others are themselves leading a huge American, Israeli, and European following built upon this same heresy stating the modern British as being descended from Ephraim, ultimately that England and all of the Celtic peoples are Lost Tribes of Israel with the British Royals being ordained by God. The underlying implication in all this is that Israel now has a new direction to look in when considering their choice of a Messiah-King (see Daniel 11:21), and with Davidy's work, it's becoming much clearer to them, they only need to look west towards Britain (carefully watch the nation of Israel as it is God's Prophetic timepiece. Every single action Israel is making currently in her necessary defense is inevitably moving the planet closer to Armageddon because of those who hate her. Soon after the comet and war, the Antichrist (the false "prince of peace") arises and you are already witnessing the first signs towards Israel's eventual meeting with destiny and her "great Peacemaker," this false Messiah, because her need for peace is so great.)

This same deception that is even gaining strength in European and even American churches, going under very deceptive and racist theological names such as Replacement Theology and United Israel, beware of it. In addition to Jews being deceived, and ironically enough, it's also this same future heresy that is to peacefully unite every current radical right wing, "Christian" fringe element. Aryan Nations, Christian Identity, Mormonism (Latter Day Saints), White Pride, Celtic Pride, Anglo-Unity, KKK, etc., all will unite under one banner "House of Israel" with Israel, and it's 'One King' leading them all. Study the following links very carefully, always remembering the fixed gulf between mainline Judeo-Christianity and what these self-styled "Biblical researchers" are proposing.

Why Jesus didn't measure up to their expectations. "What the Messiah is Supposed to Do."

The ancient Roman-built port city of Londinium [London], from whence this new 'Rome' grew, later placed itself as Capitol to the world though it's own (Roman-styled) British Empire dominating the Western Hemisphere and civilization whereby London ruled the world (and still rules to this very day). The last world Roman Empire mentioned is to be built upon the rapidly forming European Union, and will return to full power once again after America, the current Rome, relinquishes her mighty power which would then find it's way back to Europe and England which gave it. America being removed as leading world power will most assuredly prompt the need for another Atlantic Anglo-power (England) to take the reigns of global dominance and once more establish her rule of law and western zionist idealogy throughout the rest of the known world, and fill the void as Israel's sole protector.

Take careful notice that it is the Angel Gabriel making the interpretation of the vision, simply telling us that the "Little Horn" [Antichrist] in verse 20-21, is symbolized by "the Bear" in other words, the Antichrist is "The Bear." Remember this, the ancient Celtic word for Bear = Arth-ur. The name Arthur literally means the Bear.

Arthur - King Arthur (Celtic, Rome) = BEAR / Feet / Strength / Spring Return

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a Beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Revelation 13:2 And the Beast which I saw was like unto a Leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a Bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a Lion: and the Dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

BBC News UK 29 April,2002, Prince calls for greater tolerance. Prince Charles met religious leaders in Birmingham

The Prince of Wales has launched a campaign for greater tolerance and understanding between different faiths and religions.
The campaign, named Respect, is part of the prince's contribution to the Golden Jubilee celebrations.

At the launch of the campaign at Birmingham's International Convention Centre on Monday, the prince met religious leaders from different faiths and called for greater understanding.

Although the campaign will initially focus on greater tolerance between faiths, it will also target people in all areas of society over two years.

Embrace cultures

Speaking at the conference, the prince said there had been too many examples of intolerance over the past few years.

He said: "Good neighbourliness is perhaps one of the things most in need of repair.

"In the next two years, I hope the movement we are launching today will be able at least to help in the repair work.

"It is about the young Muslim mowing the lawn for the elderly Hindu lady down the street or the choir from the Catholic Church singing to entertain the Jewish old people's club.

"It is the small things above all that will make our communities a better place to live."

The prince particularly hopes to encourage children to embrace others from different backgrounds and spend more time learning to understand new cultures.

The idea is that volunteers, mostly young people, will be urged to work together and share more leisure time with strangers from other backgrounds.

Schools will be sent information packs and be invited to take part.

Prince Charles' plan is born out of several meetings he has held over the years with various religious leaders, including the Archbishop of Canterbury.

'Faith defender'

He took a close interest in the riots in Bradford last summer and hosted a dinner at his Highgrove home for leading Muslim figures shortly after 11 September.

In 1994, he declared his intention to reign as "defender of faith" rather than "defender of the faith". In Birmingham, the prince met, among others: Chief Rabbi, Dr Jonathan Sacks; The Anglican Bishop of Liverpool, the Right Reverend James Jones

Muslim scholar, Dr Zaki Badawi Chairman of the Sikh Network, Indarjir Singh Hindu representative, Dadi Janki The campaign was put together with the government-backed TimeBank charity, which raises awareness of volunteering.

It plans to mobilise hundreds of volunteers to endorse the Respect project.

Spokeswoman Helen Thompson said: "It's all about giving people more time with each other."

In the early stages of the project, faith networks will be used to distribute leaflets.

Later, nationwide campaigns will be run to encourage people to display greater respect and understanding to others at work and in the street.

The BBC's Nicholas Witchell reports from Birmingham "Promoting inter-faith understanding is a priority of the Golden Jubilee"

In summary, once a ten-nation Western confederacy has been formed based on the ancient and western Roman Empire, which occurred in January 1981, then "Number Eleven" comes to power, the Little Horn (or Little Prince). Interestingly, Prince William was born the very next year in 1982* making that 'eleventh horn' having the eyes of a 'man' referring not to a 11th country of the reviving Roman Empire, but more to one single man. *Note: Certain older Christians may remember that in Spring 1982, there was a popular rumor spreading throughout the Church stating that Christ [or a Christ] was to return in that year...making the comparison here quite intriguing. The last and perhaps most interesting comparison is found when matching the legend to the actual future King. It is said that the legendary "Arthur is to return at some future time upon the June Solstice, on the 21st. Prince William, a future anointed King, was born in June upon the 21st at the Solstice."

666 = AOM HA (111x6), THERION (Beast), ANKH-AF-NA-KHONSV(T), SVRTh (Spirit of the Sun), and ShMSh IHVH (the Sun of Tetragrammaton). 666 is the Most Holy Number of the Sun. It is symbolized by the letter Shin made of three Vavs (=666). Shin is the letter of Path 31 on the Tree of Life and 31=AL (The All). 666 is the mystick number of all the Paths of The Concealed Glory, for there are in fact 36 Paths of the Tree of Life, 32 of which are known, and four of which are secret. 666 is the occult number of the Hexagram, the symbol of the Sun, for a single line of the Hexagram contains three equal parts, each of which may be represented by the number 1, so that every line can be symbolized by the number 111. There are six lines in all, so that 111x6=666, the most Holy Number of the Sun. Each angle of the Hexagram is 60 degrees. 60 is the number of the Hebrew letter Samekh, which is the letter of the Holy Guardian Angel or the Solar Self in Man. Six angles of 60 degrees each equals 360 degrees, and 360 is the number of the Hebrew letter Shin spelled in full. Shin is the letter of the Sun and of 666. Also 666 is the number of a "Man" who lives in the Sun.

List of Lodges of Perfection in Israel
18° Knights Rose-Croix of H. R. D. M.
(Rose Croix Chapter)
25° Knights of Brazen Serpent
30° Knights Kadosh
31° Grand Inspectors Inquisitors
32° Masters of the Royal Secret
33° Sovereign Grand Inspectors General

The Lost Keys of Freemasonry: The Secret of Hiram Abiff
"The day has come when Fellow Craftsman (Freemasons) must know and apply their knowledge. The lost key to their grade is the mastery of emotion, which places the energy of the universe at their disposal. Man can only expect to be entrusted with great power by proving his ability to use it constructively and selflessly. The seething energies of LUCIFER are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply [this] energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-CAIN." Tubal-Cain* was the great Vulcan of the era, the holder of Plutonic theory (knowledge of the actions of internal heat) and was, therefore, the prominent alchemist. [*Tubal-Cain; well-known Cainite Patriarch adored within secret societies; see also Genesis 4:22; Tubal-Cain was a sixth descendant of Cain] Qayin (Cain/Kain) - properly Q’ayin or 'Smith’ - Qayin’s heritage was that of the ancient Sumerian metallurgists and the supreme Master of the Craft was Qayin’s father Enki, described as ‘the manifestation of all knowledge.'

The Thirteenth Bloodline has been traced as far back and east into Ancient Egypt, Sumeria, and Persia, as well as in Rome. This is important and makes a vital connection to many because their "sacred" symbol, the All-Seeing Eye above the Pyramid, which is originally traced even farther back to Atlantis, was also found throughout much of the ancient world and wherever their 'secret societies' went. The All-Seeing-Eye over the pyramid represents the totality of the Great Work, which is to place one King on the world throne. The Eye above the 13 steps is the Egyptian god Horus, Son of Osiris (Lord of the Underworld). With this we can determine that the Eye therefore represents Lucifer's Son, the Antichrist. It is also said the entire symbol itself denotes the Satanic trinity thru it's Egyptian counterparts in the Father Osiris, Mother Isis, and their magickal Child, Horus. [the exact same archetypes in SATAN, DIANA, and WILLIAM].
Great Britain is certainly the mother country of Satanism and the British Royal Family has long been involved with the Occult, Masons even refer to the Queen of England in one of their own Satanic rites as the 'Queen of Babylon.' For more information on Satanic lineages within Britain, there is a detailed examination in the book 'The Prince and the Paranormal -the Psychic Bloodline of the Royal Family' by John Dale (1987). The Royal Family have also been actively involved with Freemasonry and most notably, the Garter Order, as well as the Scottish Knights Templar. British Intelligence MI6 has been a major vehicle for the Satanic hierarchy working behind the secret veil of Freemasonry to control world events thru assasinations, sabotage, and intrigue.

The marriage of Charles to Diana was so extremely important because Diana brought one aspect of the Merovingian bloodline back to the English crown: Greatest among the princess's forbearers were the Stuart kings, Charles II and James II. In marrying Prince Charles, she has unwittingly given this Bloodline to the current Royal Family in England, and thus, her son Prince William is the first child to claim lineage from every English king who has left descendants.

Committee of 300 by Dr.John Coleman
Book, for more info:
According to John Coleman, The Committee of 300 is a secret society of top royalty, politicians, businessmen, economists, military commanders, intellectuals, scientists and religious authorities who work towards the Illuminati plan via another organization, The Round Table. This Arthurian symbolism suggests British influence, dating from the British Empire (which included such figures as Cecil Rhodes, H. G. Wells and the Fabian socialists) . . . which some hoped would provide the basis for a world government. Most people believe the British Empire is long gone, but Coleman suggests the Empire is still very much with us. Its overt power has simply been replaced by covert power, behind the scenes. The Round Table network of the Committee of 300 is made up of organizations like the Council of Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, the Rockefeller Group, the World Trade Organization, the 1001 Club of the Isles, the Club of Rome and the various international intelligence agencies - last, but by no means least, the Royal Institute of International Affairs. So where did all this have its origins?

posted on Nov, 12 2005 @ 07:10 PM
Prince Charles is themost powerfull person on earth, he is behind everything we have, he is behind big brother too. read that all

posted on Nov, 12 2005 @ 08:47 PM
There is no doubt that as the educated Kings of Saudi Arabia go Abdullah is probably the best educated and most sensible one. His solution for the Palestinian crisis, remains the most acceptable one. However, Islam does not provide for Kings, and calling himself a "King" makes him stick out like a sore thumb in a society which does not accept monarchy!

posted on Nov, 12 2005 @ 11:56 PM
The end of the world fear is just a mind trick to keep practitioners in hand. Don't get all wound up in the idea that the world can end. When you die as an individual, the world is ending for you.

That is not to say that there not sadistic and paranoid individuals out there trying to force a doomsday scenario so their "savior" will return. They never left.

posted on Nov, 13 2005 @ 08:18 PM

Originally posted by IComeWithASword
The end of the world fear is just a mind trick to keep practitioners in hand. Don't get all wound up in the idea that the world can end. When you die as an individual, the world is ending for you.

That is not to say that there not sadistic and paranoid individuals out there trying to force a doomsday scenario so their "savior" will return. They never left.

"they never left" I love that. thats for real.

posted on Aug, 8 2008 @ 12:47 PM
Iraqi Prime Minister Skips Dinner With President Bush and King Abdullah of Jordan; Colin Powell Says Violence In Iraq Meets Standard Of Civil War; President of Iran Writes Open Letter To American People; Jim Webb Confirms Angry Exchange With President Bush; David Satterfield Interview; Charles Rangel Interview

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WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks very much, Lou. And to our viewers, you're in THE SITUATION ROOM where new pictures and information are arriving all the time. Standing by CNN reporters across the United States and around the world to bring you tonight's top stories.
Happening now, President Bush stood up by Iraq's prime minister. Is it a sign of things to come for their summit in Jordan? It's 2:00 a.m. Thursday in Amman where a stunning secret memo isn't helping Iraq crisis talks get off to a good start.

Also this hour, Colin Powell takes his differences with the president over Iraq a step further. The former secretary of state is using the words the Bush administration won't -- civil war.

And dancing penguins caught in the culture wars. Conservatives aren't happy about the movie "Happy Feet." Is it a cute cartoon or environmental propaganda?

I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM.

Tonight new setbacks and complications for U.S. and Iraqi officials now desperately searching for a way out of a bloody and politically-damaging war. The Iraqi prime minister, Nuri al-Maliki was a no show at a dinner with President Bush and Jordan's King Abdullah in Amman. Mr. Bush and al-Maliki won't meet now until tomorrow.

The delay talks on the heels of a bomb shell here in the United States that word -- the disclosure of a classified memo by the national security adviser Stephen Hadley. And it raises serious questions about whether al-Maliki can reign in sectarian warfare in Iraq.

Another blow to al-Maliki, lawmakers loyal to the Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr who hates the United States today suspended their involvement in the Iraqi government. It's their way of protesting al- Maliki's meeting with President Bush who they call the world's biggest evil. And former Secretary of State Colin Powell is now disputing the Bush administration's definition of the ongoing violence in Iraq.

Powell says if he were heading the State Department right now, he'd recommend calling it a civil war. Standing by is CNN's Carol Costello and our Pentagon correspondent Jamie McIntyre. But let's go to our White House correspondent Suzanne Malveaux. She's on the scene for us tonight in Amman, Jordan where the president has been meeting with the king of Jordan, but not with the prime minister of Iraq. Suzanne?

SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: You know, Wolf, this certainly is not the picture that the White House had hoped for. Al-Maliki, the prime minister of Iraq, was a no show for those three- way discussions this evening. The White House is trying to save face. But clearly officials were very surprised by all of this. But considering what happened before the summit, perhaps they shouldn't be.


MALVEAUX (voice-over): Under extreme pressure on all sides to stop the carnage in Iraq, President Bush, Jordan's King Abdullah and Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki were scheduled to meet here in Amman, Jordan tonight. But an abrupt cancellation, the president took the call aboard Air Force One en route. He was being stood up by the prime minister of Iraq.

White House counselor Dan Bartlett insisted it wasn't a snub, but that because Maliki and the king sat down earlier in the day, the three of them no longer needed to meet. Mr. Bush and Maliki's face to face talks are still planned for tomorrow. But even before the president arrived, the summit looked to be off to a rough start.

First a secret and very blunt memo was leaked expressing White House doubts whether Maliki was capable of quelling the violence in his country. Mr. Bush's national security adviser Stephen Hadley said Maliki had good intentions, but that Maliki is either ignorant of what is going on, misrepresenting his intentions, or that his capabilities are not yet sufficient to turn his good intentions into action.

Second, backers of the radical Shiite Muqtada al-Sadr made good on their promise when they withdrew their support from Maliki's government in protest of his planned meetings with Mr. Bush. Meanwhile former Secretary of State Colin Powell delivered a speech in the Middle East saying he believes the violence in Iraq should be called a civil war. Adding if he were still in the administration, that's what he would do.


MALVEAUX: It's at a critical time for both leaders. Their credibility on the line engaged in this game of high stakes diplomacy. President Bush under pressure of course to change course in Iraq policy and Maliki under pressure at home to show his strength and his independence from the Bush administration. Wolf?

BLITZER: Suzanne Malveaux on the scene for us in Jordan. Thanks very much. And as Suzanne just reported, President Bush plans his talks on the crisis in Iraq. Yet one person who supported the original invasion of Iraq is now out with a sobering and surprising assessment of what's actually happening on the ground. Let's turn to our Carol Costello; she's joining us with details -- Carol.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Wolf, time for the name game. But this time the label civil war is coming from none other than Colin Powell. And he said it to an audience in the Middle East contradicting his old boss at the very same time President Bush is convening a summit in Jordan.



COSTELLO (voice-over): Crank up the heat and get ready for a possible Republican civil war, courtesy of one of the most popular statesmen today, Colin Powell. At a leadership conference held in Dubai chalked full of influential Arabs, Powell told the crowd Iraq is in a quote, "civil war". There are no TV cameras inside the conference, but CNN's Hala Gorani was there and says Powell added...

VOICE OF HALA GORANI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: If he were still heading the State Department he would probably recommend to the Bush administration that those terms should be used.

COSTELLO: This is the same man who led the march to war in Iraq at the United Nations in 2003.

COLIN POWELL, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: The facts and Iraq's behavior show that Saddam Hussein and his regime are concealing their efforts to produce more weapons of mass destruction.

COSTELLO: But what a difference a few years makes. What Powell said today is politically important because it could snowball among Republicans starting a different kind of civil war on Capitol Hill.

MARCUS MABRY, SENIOR EDITOR, "NEWSWEEK": Many Republicans who will now see that Colin Powell has declared this a civil war and they will feel that now gives them the political cover to speak of it in the same terms.

COSTELLO: After all, General Powell has credibility. He led the first Gulf War and he served as secretary of state until he left partly over disagreements over how the war was being waged. As for what his replacement says about Powell's definition of the war now, it isn't likely Condoleezza Rice will recommend her boss call the violence in Iraq a civil war.

TOM CASEY, STATE DEPT. SPOKESMAN: It's not what our commanders on the ground say it is. And we frankly are relying on the assessment of those experts that are sitting there in Baghdad.

COSTELLO: But if more Republicans start uttering the term civil war, political watchers say things might become so hot for President Bush, he may be forced to stray the course.


COSTELLO: Something else Mr. Powell told our Hala Gorani, he continues to regret his statements to the United Nations in 2003. And Wolf, lest you think his public definition of the war is setting up for a possible presidential run, Powell says he has absolutely no plans to run for president.

BLITZER: We are going to be speaking shortly about Colin Powell's words with Charlie Rangel, the Democratic congressman from New York. He has some choice words for the former secretary of state. Thanks very much for that -- Carol Costello reporting.

Meanwhile, the Pentagon is preparing to issue new marching orders in its battle to try to tighten the security in Iraq. At least three battalions of additional U.S. troops expected to be moved into the Baghdad area. Let's get to more specific details from our senior Pentagon correspondent Jamie McIntyre. Jamie, what's going on?

JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN SR. PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Well, Wolf, once again the failure of Iraqi troops to step up has forced U.S. troops to step in. U.S. commanders have ordered at least three battalions. That's roughly 1,500 troops moved into Baghdad, partly because they are short some 3,000 Iraqi troops that were promised by the Iraqi government but have never shown up. Despite the fact that Iraq has 300,000 troops in uniform, many don't want to leave their home areas or are considered unsuitable for work in Baghdad.

Meanwhile, the chairman of Joint Chiefs dismissed a report by ABC News suggesting that the United States was going to move Marines from Anbar Province into Baghdad, essentially abandoning Anbar Province. The Joint Chiefs chairman, General Peter Pace, said quote, "that is not on the table" -- Wolf.

BLITZER: All right, Jamie, thank you very much. Let's go to New York and Jack Cafferty. He's standing by with "The Cafferty File" -- Jack.

JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: Wolf, Republican Congressman Tom Tancredo of Colorado has managed to get both his feet into his mouth at the same time. That's not easy. This weekend on a conservative Web site, "WorldNetDaily", Tancredo said Miami, Florida has become quote, "a third world country", unquote. He said Miami is an example of what uncontrolled immigration can do to the nature of America.

If Tancredo's name is familiar to you, that's because he chairs the Bipartisan House Immigration Reform Caucus. And he wants a fence along the U.S./Mexican border. Needless to say Florida Governor Jeb Bush was not amused by these comments. He wrote a letter to Tancredo yesterday saying that Miami's diversity is something the state of Florida chooses to celebrate, not insult.

Tancredo fired right back at the governor with his own letter, calling Bush's characterization of Miami as multiethnic and all America naive. So here's the question. Congressman Tancredo called Miami, Florida a third-world country. Do you agree? E-mail your thoughts to or go to -- Wolf.

BLITZER: See you soon, Jack. Thank you. And coming up, Iran's president making his case directly to the American people tonight. We're going to have details of his open letter slamming the Bush administration and surprisingly making a prediction for the next U.S. election.

Two Democrats are publicly venting their anger at President Bush right now. Senator-elect Jim Webb has a very personal bone to pick with Mr. Bush over Iraq. And Al Gore just may be setting the stage for a presidential campaign comeback. There are new developments.

And take a look at this, "Happy Feet", that's a movie. The kids love it. It's the number one film in America right now. But some are calling it propaganda. CNN's Jeanne Moos shows us a new front in the culture wars.

Stay with us. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM.


BLITZER: There's word tonight of important developments regarding the planned report from the bipartisan group studying ways to try to come up with a solution to the crisis in Iraq. Our White House correspondent Ed Henry has been learning additional details. Ed, what's going on?

ED HENRY, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, an official close to the Iraq study group tonight tells CNN that in fact they have reached an agreement on what he calls key issues, paving the way for their final report to be released next week. As you know, published reports have suggested deep division on this Iraq study group. But the co-chairman of the group, Lee Hamilton, a short time ago came out and made a dramatic statement suggesting the critics, the doubters may be wrong.


LEE HAMILTON, IRAQ STUDY GROUP: Let me say two things about the Iraq study group. Number one, early this afternoon we reached a consensus. And number two we will announce that on December 6.


HENRY: Now, a very short and sweet statement giving no details. Obviously the $64,000 question now is what exactly is this consensus? Can this bipartisan panel, five Republicans, five Democrats, led by Democrat Hamilton, Republican James Baker the former secretary of state. Do they have some sort of consensus on really the key issue whether or not U.S. troops should be withdrawn and if so, how quickly?

What would be the plan on that? That has been one of the issues vexing this panel, vexing the Bush administration and also Capitol Hill, leaders in both parties. We don't know yet. Officials close to the panel saying they just don't know. A very small select group of people have seen this, early versions of the report. It will be out next Wednesday when the world will know -- Wolf.

BLITZER: And to our viewers, stay with CNN next Wednesday for complete details. We will be watching that, Ed, very, very closely.

Meanwhile, the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is making his case directly to the American people. Today he sent an open letter calling on them to change what he characterizes the mistakes of the Bush administration. Let's turn to our State Department correspondent Zain Verjee -- Zain.

ZAIN VERJEE, CNN STATE DEPARTMENT CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, President Bush has addressed the Iranian people directly before. Today Iran's president decided it was his turn.



VERJEE (voice-over): A letter delivered straight from Iran's hard-line president to the American people. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad slams the U.S.-led war in Iraq, which he says has left the country in ruins and fueled terrorism. The cost, he says, has been high to Iraqis but for Americans too in blood and money.

I consider it extremely unlikely that you, the American people, consent to the billions of dollars of annual expenditure from your Treasury for this military misadventure. He adds America could spend its own dollars on its own people like victims of Hurricane Katrina and Americans living in poverty.

Ahmadinejad once again condemns U.S. support for Israel and says U.S. treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay and the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib has added to America's poor image around the world. He appears to capitalize on the dramatically different political landscape in the U.S. saying, I hope that in the wake of the midterm elections, the administration of President Bush will have heard and will heed the message of the American people. He warns Democrats if they don't change the U.S. approach, they too will lose power.

KARIM SADJADPOUR, INTERNATIONAL CRISIS GROUP: I think it is coming at a time when there has been a general consensus reached in Washington that the U.S. has to talk to Iran about Iraq's future.

VERJEE: Most U.S. officials were dismissive of the letter. A similar response to a previous letter Ahmadinejad wrote to President Bush earlier this year.

JOHN BOLTON, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO U.N: Though I understand it's only five pages and not 18 pages like the last one, so that's a step ahead.

CASEY: There's really not a lot new here. And certainly it is something of a public affairs or public relations effort.


VERJEE: We asked the State Department if it had a problem that the Iranian president wrote this letter directly to the American people. They said no, they really don't. He's free to talk to whoever he wants. Wolf?

BLITZER: Zain, thank you. And this note to our viewers -- Zain is going to be back in the next hour for more on the Iran factor, 8:00 p.m. Eastern on "PAULA ZAHN NOW".

Still to come tonight right here in THE SITUATION ROOM, two very different takes on the carnage in Iraq and whether the Bush administration can make it go away. I'll speak with David Satterfield, a top adviser to the secretary of state on whether the White House was snubbed by Iraq's prime minister tonight.

And Democratic Congressman Charlie Rangel -- he has some choice words for Colin Powell.

Plus, a war of words over Iraq, pitting a Democratic senator- elect against the president. It's getting very bitter. It's getting very personal. You're going to want to see this.

Stay with us. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM.


BLITZER: A Democratic senator-elect makes no bones about his anger tonight at President Bush over the war in Iraq. And it's a very, very personal thing for Virginia's Jim Webb. His son, a United States Marine, now serving in Iraq and that contributed to an ice-cold exchange between Webb and Mr. Bush that's now being made public. Here's our senior political analyst Bill Schneider -- Bill.

WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Wolf, former House Speaker Sam Rayburn used to tell new members of Congress around here, you've got to go along to get along. Try telling that to Virginia's new senator.



SCHNEIDER (voice-over): Jim Webb became a Democrat and ran for the Senate for one big reason, Iraq.

JIM WEBB (D), VIRGINIA SENATOR-ELECT: I was an early voice warning against the implications of invading and occupying Iraq.

SCHNEIDER: Webb has special credibility on Iraq. He was a military officer who served in Vietnam, a former secretary of the Navy under President Reagan, and he has a son serving in Iraq.


SCHNEIDER: He wore his son's old combat boots during the campaign.

WEBB: I have tremendous admiration for my son and for everyone else who is serving there that they need to be led properly.

SCHNEIDER: Webb took on President Bush directly.

WEBB: But the keyword is leadership, which has been a scarce commodity among this administration and its followers.

SCHNEIDER: President Bush saw Webb at a White House reception for new members of Congress this month. Webb had this exchange with the president which he confirmed to "The Washington Post."

How's your boy, Bush asked? I'd like to get them out of Iraq, Mr. President, Webb replied. That's not what I asked you, Bush said. How's your boy? That's between me and my boy, Mr. President, Webb said.

The White House incident is costing a lot of tut-tutting in Washington. A Democratic Senate staffer told "The Post", I think Webb is going to be a total pain. He's going to do things his own way -- shock, horror. Webb reassures his colleagues...

WEBB: I've spent four years as a committee counsel in the Congress. I know how the process works.

SCHNEIDER: Webb's confrontation is a striking contrast to the pictures of Democrats meeting with President Bush and pledging cooperation and bipartisanship. It's also not the way things usually get done in Washington, but it is what a lot of people voted for.


SCHNEIDER: Webb did not run as a typical politician. And it doesn't look like he's about to change now that he's gotten elected -- Wolf.

BLITZER: Bill Schneider reporting for us. Jim Webb, not a typical politician that is true.

Just ahead, Al Gore blasts President Bush again. Is he now setting the stage for another run for the White House?

And politically-charged penguins, find out why some conservatives are all fired up about "Happy Feet."

Stay with us. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM.


BLITZER: To our viewers, you're in THE SITUATION ROOM where new pictures and information are arriving all the time. Happening now, President Bush's all important meeting with the Iraqi prime minister has been put off until tomorrow. Nuri al-Maliki skips a dinner with President Bush and Jordan's King Abdullah. White House officials insist it was not related to an embarrassing new memo questioning al- Maliki's ability to run Iraq.

Meanwhile, the man who was secretary of state when the war began says Iraq's raging violence meets the standard of a civil war. And Colin Powell says he might advise the administration to use that term if he were still over at the State Department.

And in Britain right now, disturbing new developments in the case of that former Russian spy killed with radioactive poison. British Airways now says traces of radiation have been found on at least two of its planes. The airline is now working to contact, get this, 33,000 passengers who may have been exposed over the past few weeks.

I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM.

More now on our top story, the crisis in Iraq and ways to try to resolve it. President Bush's trip to Jordan for talks with the Iraqi prime minister comes amid an embarrassing new revelation, a White House memo questioning the Iraqi prime minister's capabilities and intentions in leading Iraq. Let's turn to CNN's Brian Todd. He's watching this story -- Brian.

BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, top White House officials today stress the president does have confidence in Nuri al-Maliki. But one look at this classified secret memo from Mr. Bush's national security adviser suggests otherwise.


TODD (voice-over): A startling inside look, grave doubts among top White House officials about Iraq's Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and his ability to control spiraling violence. A classified memo from national security adviser Stephen Hadley obtained by "The New York Times".

Maliki is either ignorant of what is going on, misrepresenting his intentions, or that his capabilities are not yet sufficient to turn his good intentions into action. If that was Hadley's position a few weeks ago, why does President Bush now signal he'll lean on Maliki for answers when they meet in Jordan?

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: My questions to him will be what do we need to do to succeed? What is your strategy in dealing with the sectarian violence?

TODD: Was the release of this memo a signal to Maliki? Senior White House officials deny leaking Hadley's document. One official saying this is not helpful. One columnist agrees.

DAVID IGNATIUS, "WASHINGTON POST" COLUMNIST: It's hard to imagine something that would be more disruptive to a presidential summit meeting than a document like this, but it does state clearly this strategy premised on Prime Minister Maliki isn't working.

TODD: CNN's efforts to reach Maliki's office and members of Iraq's Parliament for reaction were unsuccessful. Maliki, who's Shia, has been accused of being too tough on Sunnis and overlooking abuses committed by Shia militants like those led by radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

The documents suggest ways he can turn that around. One of them, quote, "bring his political strategy with Muqtada al-Sadr to closure." But can he do it?

MAMOUN FANDY, INTL. INST. FOR STRATEGIC STUDIES: I think it is beyond the control of Mr. Maliki. Muqtada al-Sadr is a real player in terms of militias on the ground as well as his supporters who make the coalition that puts Maliki on top of the government.


TODD: A top White House official tells us this memo is not about the president dictating terms to al-Maliki. And the document doesn't leave the prime minister hanging. It does list several ways the U.S. can help him stabilize Iraq if he's unable to do it himself, like helping him broaden his political base from his tight circle of Shia advisers, and something U.S. commanders just ordered today, moving additional American forces into Baghdad -- Wolf.

BLITZER: Brian, thank you. Brian Todd reporting.

And as we've been reporting in the wake of that memo, the Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has canceled his scheduled meeting tonight with President Bush in the Jordanian capital. They are now scheduled to meet tomorrow.

David Satterfield is a senior adviser to the Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and the coordinator for Iraq.


BLITZER: As you know, ambassador, a lot of people are hearing the threats coming from Muqtada al-Sadr and his bloc in parliament, saying he shouldn't even be going to Amman, he shouldn't be meeting with the president.

And you know what? I was stunned when I heard that he boycotted this photo opportunity. The three of them supposedly showing that there was some solidarity there and all of a sudden, Nuri al-Maliki boycotting this meeting.

DAVID SATTERFIELD, SR. ADVISER TO SECRETARY OF STATE: Well, he's not boycotting the meeting. It was agreed that the meeting would not take place, the meeting wasn't necessary.

And with respect to Muqtada al-Sadr, his threats or the action taken by his parliamentarians, they haven't had any impact on the prime minister's willingness to come to Jordan in the first instance, or to meet with the president in the second. It's going ahead regardless.

BLITZER: It looks like -- and you have spent a lot of time in Baghdad, risking your life there. It looks like this guy, Muqtada al- Sadr who hates the United States, who has American blood on his hands, according to Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, the first U.S. military commander there, it looks like he's calling the shots of Nuri al-Maliki's government.

SATTERFIELD: But he's not. If he were calling the shots, the prime minister wouldn't be in Jordan, he wouldn't be seeing the president. He's there, he's had a good meeting with the King and he's going to have a good meeting with the president in the morning.

BLITZER: All right, we'll see if he shows up for that meeting in the morning.

Here's what Stephen Hadley, the president's national security adviser, wrote in this November 8th memo to the president about Nuri al-Maliki. "The reality on the streets of Baghdad suggests Maliki is either ignorant of what is going on, misrepresenting his intentions or that his capabilities are not yet sufficient to turn his good intentions into action."

Those are strong words about a guy who apparently doesn't have a whole lot of power in Iraq right now.

SATTERFIELD: The president supports the prime minister, the president has affirmed that in many meetings, in many conferences that they've had. He's going to do it tomorrow. The president knows the prime minister wants greater control over the Iraqi security forces. He wants to see a transition to an Iraqi lead on the political as well as on the military front. And that's something we've been discussing and we'll continue to discuss.

The president wants to hear from the prime minister. Where's the prime minister going on national reconciliation, on governance issues, on the political track? This is going to be a very thorough review but it's done in the capacity of a sovereign leader whom we respect, whom we want to help succeed.

BLITZER: It sounds, though, that Stephen Hadley -- and I carefully read that memo, not once, not twice, but three times. It sounds like he's not so sure that Nuri al-Maliki really wants a democracy embracing the Shia, the Sunni, the Kurds, all of the groups of Iraq, or he's simply is trying to stack the deck and create a Shiite-led theocracy aligned with Iran.

SATTERFIELD: If we had concluded that Prime Minister Maliki was following a sectarian agenda, the president would not have traveled to Amman, he would not be meeting with him. We see him as a national leader, but we see him as a national leader who has capacity issues. That's what we are trying to help on. That's what we're discussing.

BLITZER: What does that mean "capacity issues"?


BLITZER: Ambassador David Satterfield speaking with me earlier.

Still to come tonight, he had some choice words for Colin Powell. That would be Congressman Charlie Rangel. He'll speak about what's going on in the Iraq crisis. He's not very happy. That's coming up next.

Also, a hit animated movie winds up as the new battleground in the "Culture Wars." We're going to tell you what's going on. Jeanne Moos' take. You'll want to see this. We'll be right back.


BLITZER: News just coming into CNN on that missing American U.S. Air Force pilot whose plane crashed in Iraq. Carol Costello following the story.

What are we learning, Carol?

COSTELLO: It's a sad story, Wolf, the Department of Defense just releasing a picture of Major Troy Gilbert. There he is right there. He leaves behind a wife and children. We don't -- his body is still -- well, we don't know where his body is. But they did find human remains at the crash site. Tests have to be performed to find out if they do belong to Major Gilbert.

His family did release a statement. I'm going to read it quickly to you. They said, "Troy was first and foremost a wonderful husband and father. His Christian faith, personal values and work ethic guided his personal life and his career as a military officer. He was highly respected by and deeply loved by so many. At the time of the tragedy during combat operations, he was unselfishly protecting the lives of other American military members. We, his family, cherish the worldwide prayers and support during this extremely difficult time" -- Wolf.

BLITZER: Our deepest condolences to his family. Major Troy Gilbert, fighter pilot, U.S. Air Force F-16. Thanks, Carol, for that.

Iraq reaching a new level of crisis tonight. The government growing increasingly unstable in Baghdad. The White House now questioning an elite memo, the effectiveness of the prime minister and the civilian death toll climbing with another 50-plus bodies discovered in Baghdad alone.

Democratic Congressman Charlie Rangel had some very strong opinions on the crisis.


BLITZER: Congressman, thanks very much for coming in. I'm not going to call you Mr. Chairman yet, but pretty soon that will be the way we will refer to you.

Jimmy Carter was here in THE SITUATION ROOM yesterday, the former president of the United States, and I asked him about how big a blunder the president made in going into Iraq. Listen to this exchange.


JIMMY CARTER, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's going to prove, I believe, to be one of the greatest blunders that American presidents have ever made.

BLITZER: Bigger than Vietnam? CARTER: I think it's going to be a close call, but perhaps much more vividly known by the rest of the world than Vietnam was.


BLITZER: What do you think? Do you agree with the former president?

REP. CHARLES RANGEL (D), NEW YORK: I could not agree with him more. As a matter of fact, I was hoping that in the interview with Colin Powell, he might share with us, what information did they give to him, to allow him with all of the credibility that he used to have, to go into Iraq? Every reason that the president gave the congress and the American people have fallen through. And the suspicion is that he and others may have known that the facts were not true.

BLITZER: Well, wait a minute, wait a minute. You're not accusing Colin Powell of deliberately lying to the American public. I assume knowing him as I do for so many years, that he honestly believed when he was told at the CIA that there were weapons of mass destruction stockpiled, and he said that before the UN Security Council, I have to assume he honestly believed it.

RANGEL: I'm not going to argue with that. But his chief of staff said publicly and it's written in a book that that was his worst day sitting with his boss at the U.N.

BLITZER: That's true. But don't you believe that Colin Powell is a man of integrity that believed what he said?

RANGEL: Yes, of course, I do. But if somebody did that to me, with whatever little integrity I had, and my chief of staff was there, obviously, telling me that that was not factual, I would be outraged. So I'm not challenging the honesty of Colin Powell.

But I question why there hasn't been more outrage, especially that now he's describing it as a civil war. The question to this, as former President Carter said, how could one man and his cabinet bring this great country into this disaster, this cesspool? You can call it a civil war, but it certainly is not a liberation force.

BLITZER: You're going to be in the majority now in the United States House of Representatives. If this situation continues to deteriorate and emerges of Vietnam where helicopters will be going into the U.S. Embassy to try to whisk remaining American troops out, what are you going to do about that as the majority in the U.S. Congress?

RANGEL: Let me make it clear, Democrats may be in the majority in the Congress but we are not a part of the executive branch. The president has heard the American people loud and clear. They're against the war. I hope this Iraqi study group reflects that type of feeling. I'm certain it will.

But I'm optimistic that, you know, I'm a little skeptical that the president is over there talking with Maliki and going to Jordan. He ought to stay at the White House and let the diplomats try to work this out. We have a heck of a wonderful opportunity with peace being negotiated between the Palestinians and Israel to get the Jordanians, the Saudi Arabians and the Egyptians --

BLITZER: Congressman, you know a lot of Americans are going to say, look, we elected these Democrats to be the majority in the House and the Senate. In large part, I think you'll agree, because of the war in Iraq, the unhappiness, the anger here in the United States, and they're going to rely on you to try to do something if the policies don't change. Here's one option that's on the table, the power of the purse, something that you can control as the majority in the House of Representatives. Is that something that you're going to tamper with?

RANGEL: Of course not. We would never do anything that would jeopardize the safety of our brave young men and women over there. The biggest tool that we have at this point in time is not the power of the purse, but the power of the subpoena. We have never had oversight of any of these things that has been said and done to get us into this dilemma that we find ourselves in. So when people come down under oath, you won't have to worry about where we got this bad information.

BLITZER: Who do you want to subpoena?

RANGEL: Anybody that's telling us things that just doesn't make any truth. But I don't think we have to go there. They're falling apart. The president is falling apart. He's calling upon his father's friends. And we may get some sanity out of this if the president stays at home and lets Condoleezza Rice and maybe bring back Colin Powell and use Jim Baker, you know. It's time that we bring in these moderate Arab country leaders and at least we're talking to them. This is their struggle, too. It's not just the United States and Israel.

BLITZER: Let me pick your brain on this extraordinary letter that the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has now written to the American people that would be you and me among them. He writes this among other things, "Now that Iraq has a constitution and an independent assembly and government, would it not be more beneficial to bring the U.S. officers and soldiers home, and to spend the astronomical U.S. military expenditures in Iraq for the welfare and prosperity of the American people? It's interesting that he's now weighing in on this debate here in the United States.

RANGEL: Well he couldn't be more right, you know. We've lost 3,000 men over there, 20,000 wounded American men and women. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. I'm not saying just close it down and come home. But it's really time to bring in those people, from the region, who understands the culture and the difference that these people have.

And to let them stop holding our coats, but to get involved in trying to find some peace there. I'm anxiously waiting for this Iraqi study report. Because I know it's not saying what the president is saying. We cannot stay there until victory is won and we have no clue as to what the victory is. And we cannot afford to stay the course. BLITZER: Next Wednesday, it's coming out. Lee Hamilton, a man you know well. You served in the House with him for a long time and James baker. Five Democrats, five Republicans. We're told they're getting close to a unanimous set of recommendations. But we'll find out next Wednesday. Charlie Rangel, always good of you to come into THE SITUATION ROOM.

RANGEL: Thank you, Wolf.


BLITZER: And up ahead, Al Gore lashes out at the Bush administration. And some say right now, sounding a lot like a candidate once again. We have some new details for you tonight.

Then, penguins and politics. We'll find out why the new kids' movie "Happy Feet" is actually causing quite a flap amongst some political conservatives. We'll tell you what's going on.

Stay with us.

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BLITZER: Americans have been seeing an awful lot of Al Gore lately. But will they see him on the campaign trail coming up to 2008?

Let's turn to CNN's Allan Chernoff. He's following the Gore guessing game -- Allan.

ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, it's a Hollywood night for Al, Gore appearing on the "Tonight Show" and being honored at a dinner as one of "GQ" magazine's men of the year. Gore is promoting the DVD release of his movie, "An Inconvenient Truth". There is speculation that the former vice president may also be promoting his political career.


CHERNOFF (voice-over): A very hip Al Gore posing on "GQ" magazine's Web site, across from Lindsay Lohan.

Gore, one of "GQ"'s men of the year, bashes President Bush in the magazine with some of his harshest criticism: "Dammit, whatever happened to the concept of accountability for catastrophic failure? This administration has been, by far, the most incompetent, inept, and with more moral cowardice and obsequiousness to their wealthy contributors, and obliviousness to the public interest of any administration in modern history, and probably in the entire history of the country!"

Gore friends and former advisers say the tough tone does not indicate he's preparing to run for president. ELAINE KAMARCK, FORMER GORE ADVISER: He's not running for president. I think he would love to have an Academy Award for the best documentary, but I don't think that's the same as running for president.

CHERNOFF: Gore denied plans to run on the Headline News program "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT."

AL GORE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I have no intention of being a candidate again.

CHERNOFF: And he repeated that denial in the "GQ" interview: "I don't plan to run. And I don't expect to run. I appreciate that people think enough of me still to ask that question. It's true that I haven't gotten to the point where I am willing to completely rule it out for all time."

Gore's spokesperson told CNN the former vice president had made it clear he has no intention of running, and that his focus is on global warning not the presidency. But some former staffers hope that Gore, next year, will broaden his campaign.

KAMARCK: Look, he might change his mind in six months. Frankly, part of me hopes that he will.


CHERNOFF: Some big players in Democratic politics are also hoping. One of them argues, though, that Al Gore can gain more popularity now by avoiding presidential politics and just focusing on being a movie star -- Wolf.

BLITZER: Allan, thank you.

And, by the way, some other people who are close to Al Gore have been telling CNN that there is an increased likelihood that he'll throw his hat in the ring eventually, although they say still no decisions have been made. We'll watch this story very closely.

Jack Cafferty is joining us with "The Cafferty File" -- Jack.

CAFFERTY: He's going to run, OK? I would be very surprised if he didn't run. But that picture in "Esquire" -- is it "Esquire" magazine, Allan?


CAFFERTY: Al Gore -- you know, there's just people in this world who aren't hip. And he's one of them.

Lawmakers in Florida not too happy with some remarks by Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo, remarks to the effect that illegal immigration on U.S. cities, namely, Miami, Florida, is not a good thing. The question this hour, is Congressman Tancredo called Miami a third world country because of all the illegal immigrants -- aliens, down there. Our question is, do you agree with that assessment? Gayle in Colorado: "Tom Tancredo is an embarrassment to the state of Colorado. Only he would describe a city with diversity as being third world. He's a bigot who somehow managed to get reelected."

Barbara in Florida: "I live in north Miami, and Tancredo has hit the nail on the head. Jeb Bush, the governor of Florida, like his brother, keeps his head in the sand."

Tom in Maywood, New Jersey writes, "Florida proved it was a third world country during the 2000 elections. Why would anyone thing it's changed since then?"

Walter writes: "Miami is an important gateway to Latin America, indicative of the United States' strengths. Latinos influence the city the way Irish-Americans once influenced New York or Boston. Get over it. It's a good thing."

Angela in Margate, Florida writes, "I live in south Florida, and the answer is yes, we are like a third world country. You can't find a job here if you're not bilingual. Our school system is probably one of the world in the country. Our kids are graduating high school with an eighth grade education."

And David in Athens, Texas writes, "It doesn't look very third world on 'CSI Miami.'"

If you didn't see your e-mail here, you can go to where you can read some more of them online -- Wolf.

BLITZER: See you tomorrow, Jack. Thanks very much.

Let's check in with Paula and see what's coming up right at the top of the hour -- Paula.


We're going to kick off the hour talking about what's going on in Amman, Jordan this hour. The controversy over why the president did not end up meeting with the prime minister of Iraq.

Then we're going to move onto a huge police controversy here over the weekend. New York officers killed a man, firing more than 50 shots at a him even though he turned out to be unarmed. And as part of our top story coverage, we're going to take you inside a training ground where you actually get to see officers learn to make deadly, split-second decisions about when to shoot and when to hold back.

The pictures are just incredible. I think it's the closest I've ever gotten -- I've been at a lot of shooting ranges before -- to seeing just what it is cops are up against in the field.

So we're going to see you at the top of the hour, Wolf.

BLITZER: We'll look forward to it, Paula. Thank you. And still ahead, penguins and politics collide in a hit animated movie. CNN's Jeanne Moos shows us why "Happy Feet" has some conservatives very unhappy. Stay with us. We'll be right back.


BLITZER: In the "Culture Wars" tonight, controversy is growing over the number-one movie in the country. CNN's Jeanne Moos explains why some people aren't happy with "Happy Feet."


JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): You know things are going downhill when dancing penguin causes a political flap.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're foisting this on my kids.

GLENN BECK, TALK SHOW HOST: Tell me about it first, OK, so I know I'm walking into propaganda.

MOOS: Not everyone is happy with the blockbuster "Happy Feet." "Crappy Feet" one critic called it. Some conservatives say it's dark, disturbing environmental propaganda, pitting cute penguins against big, bad humans in the fishing industry.

BECK: In an animated version of "An Inconvenient Truth."

MOOS: But can you really compare Al Gore's global warming documentary to "Happy Feet"?

NEIL CAVUTO, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: I half expected to see an animated version of Al Gore pop up.

MOOS: In Al Gore's film, glaciers crack, but the only cracking in "Happy Feet" is caused by bad vocals.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I heard an animal once do that but then they rolled him over. He was dead.

MOOS: There is no global warming in "Happy Feet," though the director readily admits to amplifying environmental themes. The penguins are starving because of over-fishing. Humans are called aliens.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever been abducted my aliens?

MOOS: Check out the six-pack holder around his neck.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is my sacred talisman.

MOOS: It ends up almost choking him to death.

(on camera): Even the "New York Times" describes the movie as "a view of hell as seen through the eyes and ears of creatures we foolishly, tragically call dumb."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yo, penguino, I'm the genius Ramon.

MOOS (voice-over): That's the voice of Robin Williams, portraying one of the lead penguins. The movie has gotten rave reviews.

ERIC BOEHLERT, MEDIA MATTERS: I just think conservatives are, you know, still cranky from the election and they pick a fight with this animated penguin. It doesn't make any sense.

MOOS: One critic even suggesting there's a gay subtext. Mumbles is an outcast because he dances, but can't sing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But it just ain't penguins, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don't ask me to change, pa, because I can't.

MOOS: But don't expect Mumbles to join the ranks of actual gay penguin couples. "Happy Feet" defenders say he's no different than Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.

ROBERT THOMPSON, SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY: Of the 50,000 things affecting America's youth in negative ways today, I don't think the penguin movie is probably on that 50,000.

MOOS: As for kids who have seen the movie...

(on camera): What's the movie about?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I love you. I love you.

MOOS (voice-over): ... "Happy Feet" seems to have gone to their heads.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Show me what the penguins do.

MOOS: But those "Happy Feet" are stepping on conservative toes.

Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.


BLITZER: Among our guests tomorrow, Senator John Kerry and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

Let's go to Paula right now -- Paula.


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posted on Dec, 17 2008 @ 01:11 AM
a quick question for people who believe in the endtimes, antichrist, revalations, religion, etc.


Why do you really believe this, because it's in a book? Sorry if I sound ignorant or like i lack in "faith" but i've never understood it...

All I am looking for is sincere, though out, smart answers to why you hear something about the antichrist ening the world in the bible or wherever, then immediately look for the anti christ like he must be real and will come no matter what.

Call it an expirement in thoughts, beliefs, psychology, whatever, but please just anyone who believes or halfway believes anything you read including endtime in a religous book why o u believe OTHER THAN FAITH, because you can have faith in anything, if FAITH is the only answer you have, please elaborate what gave you this faith?

Hopefully we can get good answers here, if not, expect another thread


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