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The Ummo Documents

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posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 12:46 AM
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Im going to bring up this subject, one that gets very little coverage, but I still think its pretty interesting.

However you take to these documents, I would just like some opinions on the content and the general story behind them.

What does everyone else think?

If you do not know what the Ummo documents are, well its school time.

en.wikipedia.org...




Ummo is a blanket term to describe a series of decades-long claims that aliens from the planet Ummo were communicating with persons on the earth. Most Ummo information was in the form of many detailed documents and letters sent to various esoteric groups or UFO enthusiasts. The Ummo affair was subject to much mainstream attention in France and Spain during the 1960's and 1970's, and a degree of interest remains regarding the subject.

General consensus is that the entire affair was an elaborate hoax. The culprit (or culprits) are unknown, but a Jose Luis Jordan Pena has claimed responsibility for instigating the Ummo affair.

However, some contend there may be at least a measure truth in the matter, and there are a few small groups of devotees, such as "a strange Bolivian cult called the Daughters of Ummo" . Regardless of any ultimate explanation, the Ummo affair is one of the most intriguing (and most detailed) UFO-related events in recent decades. Dr. Jacques Vallee has the Ummo documents might be a real-world analogue of the fictional creators of Borges' "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius".


But thats not the fun part. The best part is the content.




The Ummites write that they first visited Earth in 1950 as a small group of scientist-explorers. Their goals were the study of our biosphere, atmosphere and culture. They explain how they discovered the Earth by chance, thanks to a Morse radio message sent by a Norwegian ship 15 years ago prior to their landing, and also describe scientific data from their planetary system, including its gravity, orbit, revolution period, sizes, information about their star.

The Ummites were amazed, seeing our multi-cultural society, and also the social disorder so prevalent on Earth. They explain their civilization is older than ours, with appropraitely advanced technology, and they will not disturb our social evolution.

About fifteen letters describe living conditions on their planet in painstaking detail, with many pictures. They give their society the term "social network" and explain that it is an enormous and dynamic network, where each person is a knot, and each relationship between people is a dynamic arc. In this way they describe their daily life: their housing, the importance of perfumes to their culture, their supply network, their cooking and food, work, games, family, their mode of transport, sex, their education system, psychology, marriage, arts, "the concept of God", their history, different governmental steps they have known, and the discovery of other planets having life.

Philosophy and "the concept of God" are strongly featured in the Ummo letters. Several letters are devoted entirely to these subjects. Also mentioned are Ummites' morals, ethics, human being's free will, man's role in the universe, the end of existence, the soul, the collective unconscious (or collective soul as the Ummites call it). In several letters the Ummites discuss Earth's problems, including abortion, the oppression of women by men, and problems they see in or education and political systems.

Many scientific subjects are described in detail, including network theory (or graph theory), astrophysics or cosmology), the unified field theory , biology, and evolution. Some of this information is dubious pseudoscience, but some of it is alleged to be accurate. Presuming some of this specialised knowledge is accurate, it's been suggested that a group of university students may be involved in an elaborate, extended prank by writing the Ummo letters.


Now where to find these documents?

Well that very wiki entry gives us a start.
www.ummo-sciences.org...

Here is a zip file (800kb)
www.ummo-sciences.org...

The page suggests that you read it (if you do) in order.

Another site listed by the wiki entry is this French page.
www.ummo-sciences.org...

Related Reading:
www.strangemag.com...
psychcentral.com...
www.magonia.demon.co.uk...

What is interesting though, is that people like Stephen Hawking have shown interest in them, or at least read them over.




posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 05:42 AM
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Hello Dulcimer


Indeed i also found strange that there were no topics at all about the Ummo case. Maybe because this happens mainly in Spain.

This is a very complex case. Thousands of pages from the Ummites have been received so far. This started almost 40 years ago, and is still going on !

The new scientific datas discovered in these letters are absolutely impressive. Lots of researchers (like Jean-Pierre Petit) studied the Ummo case during numerous years and bringed out awesome new theories about science, physics, universe conception, metaphysics, etc...

Skeptics have several arguments to say it is a hoax : Ummo people said they come from the Wolf 424 star, but later it was discovered that this star was in fact a double-star. There was also a spanish person who admitted being the author of the Ummo letters.

Personaly i still don't know if the Ummo civilization is real or not. But it is very fascinating and we learn a lot from them, in lots of domains.

[edit on 4/11/2005 by Musclor]



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 06:37 AM
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I'm from Spain and certainly all this "Ummo affair" was popular, even in the 80s. But as far as I know, it was all a hoax created by a group of people in different cities who told stories about contacts, write letters to the press and send photos. I remember seeing some of these photos in the news and all looked like a hoax to me, some were ridiculous and poorly made.
Also some years ago someone -can't remember the name- told he was the mind behind all this, coordinating the people in different cities here in Spain and France.
To me all this was clearly a hoax.

[edit on 4-11-2005 by Crusher]



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 08:15 AM
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What strikes me as odd is even if they recieve a morse signal, how did they track it down to the norwegian ship 15 years later? It is not likely that the ship was at the same location as 15 years later, and morse signalling devices are mass-produced so any "signature" that would locate the boat is non-existant. Ship send morse signals all the time and I dont know of any logs they could have used to find out who sent the morse signal 15 years earlier.


[edit on 4-11-2005 by anorwegianguy1972]



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 03:45 PM
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Musclor do you know if they are still getting new documents?

I thought it ended in the 90's.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 01:37 AM
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Last time I heard this was a hoax. As a matter of fact, most credible ufologists consider it a hoax. From what I have seen, I file it under hoaxes.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 03:05 AM
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If it was a hoax why wouldnt Hawkins tell reporters it was a hoax,he admits he knows of UMMO but refused to discuss or dismiss it,if it was a clear cut hoax why wouldnt a brilliant man of science set the record straight

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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 06:00 AM
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Something else struck me; isnt morse code long wave radio signals, thus they never leave the Earth but just bounces between the atmosphere and the ground, this is why you can hear morse code on the other side of the Earth even though the Earth is round. I dont think morse code ever leaves the atmosphere and thus could not have been picked up by ET.


[edit on 5-11-2005 by anorwegianguy1972]



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 05:11 AM
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Originally posted by Dulcimer
Musclor do you know if they are still getting new documents?
I thought it ended in the 90's.


Hello Dulcimer


I don't remember exactly but i know that a few letters were received in 2000/2004. There was a french radio show recently with a writer who studied the Ummo case for years and he talked about the recent letters. I'm gonna listen to the interview again and i'll post the details as soon as i find them.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 10:48 AM
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Thanks. I did not know there was activity in such recent times.

Interesting.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 11:21 AM
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Also mentioned are Ummites' morals, ethics, human being's free will, man's role in the universe, the end of existence, the soul, the collective unconscious (or collective soul as the Ummites call it).

Human beings free will? What is mans role in the universe? Why would an adavnced alien race be preocupied with our free will or anyting else? This and other points made in support of the letters are the building blocks to build a following, faith, or even cult. That some supreme being can see all our problems and is readily available to suggest solutions. Not too surprising that this was spawned in the 1960-70's and has that socialist/commune read mixed into it.



posted on Nov, 11 2005 @ 03:34 AM
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Hello


The last genuine letter, according to Ummo-Sciences.org, has been received in january 2004. It is classified letter "NR-20" and is talking specifically about "tetravalent logic".

It is in french language but if you are interested you can translate it with a good translator software. Here is the link : www.ummo-sciences.org...

Here is a list of the letters in french in pdf format, including NR-20 : www.ummo-sciences.org...

Other letters have been received in 2001 and 2003 in France. The last letter known received in Spain is from 1996.

You can look here on the left column for a chronological classification of the letters : www.ummo-sciences.org...

[edit on 11/11/2005 by Musclor]



posted on Nov, 13 2005 @ 08:37 PM
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I know I used to run the frequency 424 on my frequency generator all the time. It did very strange things to me and I could actually hear voices talking on that frequency. There are some other frequencies where the same thing happens. My opinion without having read the stuff is that there is probably a lot of coded information in these documents. They purposely put in stuff that will discredit it so that people will not take it seriously unless it is the people it is intended for. I have the same opinion about a lot of the Billy Meier stuff. There is stuff in there that means nothing and sounds like insanity unless you are in communication with these beings yourself.



posted on Nov, 13 2005 @ 10:22 PM
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fequency 424? What strange things did it do. I, personally don't find it strange what so ever that an alien species could pick up a transmission such as morse code. Even if it is earth bound I would imagine they would have sensors that could pick it up. If they have the power to cross the star's then why not that? It doesnt say they found the ship. All it says is they located earth via this ships message that was sent out. Perhaps it left some sort of resonance. Nullster...Why would'nt a group of explore's write about mans role in the universe, soul, end of existance? Perhaps they know something we don't and are willing to share it. Sounds pretty standard. You don't think the first explorer's to the Americas told the native inhabitants about the bigger picture out there? Why would they be concerned with these things? Would that not be pretty much the entire point? You travel to a new world and find it inhabited by a race of beings who have harnessed the atom, conquered the sky,etc,etc. Your not gonna be interested in the slightest about their social structure belief systems, and so on? Its not the base for a cult or a following its called sociology



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 07:33 AM
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424 was not a good frequency to run for me. It might be for someone else who wants that kind of energy. It was kind of predatory like a wolf. I like the kind of energy that is logical, peaceful, and understanding. But I don't want to have to worship anybody in order to feel it. Numbers are very important. Almost like a code if you can decifer it. The conversation goes something like, "Where do humans go when the die?" A. "To the grave". Q. Is there a heaven?" A. Yes Q. What's it like?" A."Glorious". Q. Why? A. "Because the 27 is really a 72, the 36 is really a 63 and the 9 planets are really 12". Figure that out.



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 07:38 AM
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I agree with your logic. Just because it taks so much "time" for us to see radio waves and light from so long ago doesn't mean they aren't watching the three stooges on the other side of the universe as we speak. Just because we can't detect their morse code doesn't mean they can't detect ours.



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by anorwegianguy1972
Something else struck me; isnt morse code long wave radio signals, thus they never leave the Earth but just bounces between the atmosphere and the ground, this is why you can hear morse code on the other side of the Earth even though the Earth is round. I dont think morse code ever leaves the atmosphere and thus could not have been picked up by ET.


[edit on 5-11-2005 by anorwegianguy1972]


The plain and simple answer to your statement is that you're incorrect. Morse "code" is simply that -- a code that defines letters in the western alphabet. The code, itself, has nothing to do with the carrier that may be used to transmit it. You can play morse code on a piano, speak it aloud, or have a tone generator play notes that comprise the code. The code could be sent by radio waves, light waves, or waves spanning any portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Although I'm highly skeptical of the Ummo stories and have been since I read about them many years ago, I don't agree that the fact that it is claimed that morse code was the basis for an intercepted transmission provides any indication of their authenticity.

What's more suspect, to me, is that there were so many other souces of electromagnetic radiation emitted from our planet during that time frame that an alien race would have "discovered" our existence from a relatively low-power transmitted on a ship. On the other hand, the transmission would probably be easier to pick out of the EM-soup that our planet radiates due to the simplicity of the code (i.e., you don't need a receiver to recognize that there is an intelligent pattern in a tranmission comprised of morse code, whereas if you intercept a television signal, it may appear as flucuating static).



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 11:35 AM
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About fifteen letters describe living conditions on their planet in painstaking detail, with many pictures.

Intersting, anyone found any of these pics?

They give their society the term "social network"

Odd that aliens from another planet have a society that is so easily and similarly described in human terms no?

Many scientific subjects are described in detail

But no workable new science from it eh?


www.ummo-sciences.org...
These roots are nothing less than the biogenetic bases of evolution [...]The adult has a different psychology than a child or a teenager of group. [...]but remember that the current Earth human, just like the OEMII of UMMO, is a continually evolving being.

Not too surprising that they seem to be repeating what was once very popular in europe, as the Biogenetic Law nonetheless: that ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. That there is a strong correlation between age of an individual and evolutionary stage. This is a very european and academic idea, which isn't surprising since the stories appear in europe and are most popular there (iow, its how we might expect educated europeans to talk about the subject, rather than actual aliens)

the appearance of the first anthropoides and the present is much longer on UMMO than it is on Earth.

This is also very much in keeping with old ideas about how evolution worked. Planets woudl go through inevitable 'stages', a fish stage, an amphibian stage, an age of reptiles stage, and ultimately an apish stage with intelligent "humanoids". I like star trek, but I don't expect it to be a very sensible description of the universe in all its variety.

You know that all animal and vegetable matter is made of millions of cells. Using Earth terminology, we remind you that in these cells there are four elements or major parts. A complex mass called PROTOPLASM. A central mass called NUCLEUS. A membrane which surrounds the cell.
A membrane which surrounds the NUCLEUS.

This is a rather poor and rather dated description of a cell. I don't think that there are very many people today who are familiar with the subject who'd actually refer to the cell as beeing filled with a complex "mass" of 'protoplasm'. The interior of a cell is made up of a large variety of organelles and not this old concept of a gelatinous protoplasmic mass. I don't care if the aliens are talking to a population that still refers to cells as such, it doesn't make the least bit of sense for it to come out this way. They might as well be saying that living things arise from rotting meat, as with maggots.


O [This O no doubt refers to FIG 4? Scanning technician's note ] represents the RIBOSE bond which distinguishes it from DNA

DNA is distringuished from RNA not in the Ribose, but in the oxygen attached to the ribose sugar which makes up both of them, not the 'ribose bond'.

But Earth biochemists ask themselves the following question: why do these mutations (these accidental phenomena which modify the code of life) always result in a positive change (orthogenesis),

Again, more language that is specific to the time and inherently wrong and thus indicative of it being a fraud from a moderately educated person of those times. And no one thinks that mutations allways result in beneficial mutations, nor would that process properly be called orthogenesis, which is better described as change in a particular and constant direction.

They [mutations] should on the contrary bring about a genetic aberration, thus creating a monstrous being with atrophied arms or without lungs!

No, they shouldn't, and this isn't a problem for evolutionary biology. The 'answer' for this 'problem' that is presented is ridiculous, that Krypton is present all throughout the dna of gametes. There simply is no such structure as these 86 diads of krypton on dna. They also note

This axis also described a harmonic vibratory motion whose frequency and amplitude varied with temperature

Which is more of the above. Talking about vibratory frequencies and harmonic motions like this was quite popular in pop-fiction/science of the time. Its also utterly wrong. Another product of the specific age of the hoax itself.

. As you know, electrons occupy instantaneous positions governed by probability in each subatomic level

This too is a product of its time, but, very interstingly, its more in line with (what I understand as) the more accurate and 'scientific' understanding of things at the time, as compared to the somewhat backwards description of biology. Perhaps the fraudsters were indeed university students, but specifically physics students, who only had a basic understanding of the biological information.
Though it is rather hard to say how well these things were understood. The authors describe DNA as existing as a double helix. DNA was long since known to be the genetic material, but the fact that it was specifically a double helix wasn't known until 1953, published by Watson and Crick in a letter to Nature. So once it was known, it would've become widely known, certainly amoung university students, and this particular letter was written in 1967.

The impact, if it does not rupture the chromosome, brings about at the very least a change in the nucleotide sequence. It then changes their interpreted meaning and we can say that a MUTATION occurred.

The representation of radiation is facile, to say the least, and the above description is incorret. Radiation isn't going to allways cause a substitution of a base pair, radiation can cause all sorts of mutations, its not like a bullet knocking out a single peice.

little like an Earth dictionary or a manual (for a pair of 86 atoms); a page of this dictionary of 43 sheets where ALL POSSIBLE SHAPES OF LIVING BEINGS compatible with the universal biogenetic laws are catalogued.

This is simply absurd mumbo-jumbo.

Initially, it COLLECTS information coming from the cellular cytoplasm by codifying it temporally

Gibberish.

Let us take a living being which is familiar to you: the crab. You know that one the species, very common to the American coast, has a blue shell due to the colour of certain rocks covered with a bluish algae. How did the crab get to be this colour?

Its utterly senseless to suggest that this is the mechanism by which coat colour in this crab species arose.
[quote\]Neither the theory of natural selection coming from Earth geneticists, nor those concerning mutations caused by external radiation can explain a fact of such importance.
This, for me, is very informative. Before the Modern Synthesis of natural selection and genetics, of Darwin and Mendell you might say, in the lat 30's and early 40's, genetics and natural selection were, as ideas, kept rather seperate and seemed to almost conflict with one another.

The person the prepared this hoax probably keeps abreast of whats going on in science, not necessarily was a student in the pre-synthesis days, but perhaps was taught by someone that was a student in those days. That could mean that they are university students at the time of the letter (1967), or it could mean that they were already a bit older by that time.

The other possibility is that they/he/she is simply a well educated lay person, the information presented isn't necessarily that complex or unusual. Though others seem to be saying that the physics aspects of the papers indicate that they are more involved than a lay person.


in the case of our Galaxy

I had thought that these aliens were comming from another nearby planet, not another galaxy. It seems far fetched that they detected a signal sent from earth that only had 15 years to travel (iow, were within a 15 light-year range), and at the same time were in another galaxy. This would at least require that they had scout ships all other the place, which is plausible, but then certainly the first signal that they get would be one of the earlier EM transmissions, which would have propagated a much greater distance.


Anyway, the papers are entertaining at least.



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by Whompa1
fequency 424? What strange things did it do. I, personally don't find it strange what so ever that an alien species could pick up a transmission such as morse code. Even if it is earth bound I would imagine they would have sensors that could pick it up. If they have the power to cross the star's then why not that?

This isnt Star Trek you know. They cant pick up a signal when it cant travel outside the earths boundaries, no matter how big their satelite dish is.



posted on Nov, 14 2005 @ 02:36 PM
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Hello





Intersting, anyone found any of these pics?


Lots of pictures representing their technology (transport system, houses) can be found here, as well as an authentic map of the Ummo planet : rimarchives.free.fr...




But no workable new science from it eh?


Researchers have found lots of interesting things, mainly about cosmology. Hoax or not, these papers definitively come from a group of beings very advanced scientifically (humans or not).

[edit on 14/11/2005 by Musclor]



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