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Just reading and absorbing for today, but have some to add from a good Hopi Source linkng in with this tommorrow.

mmm.... are you able to gleam anything "new" or unreleased/rare(book) at the moment on the Seven Sisters aspect of the Prophecies (the great shaking by the creator) as mentioned by the other 6 councils/tribes?

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These prophecies & others like it are all based in ancient folklore and have ben passed down through the generations. If anyone has played the game 'Telephone' you would understand how some of the facts adn points in the legend may have been altered slightly over the generations.



In some tribes, only the elders, wise men and wise women, were allowed to 'hold' the knowledge. Thus, in some circles, in might be possible to change the story to suite the needs of the leader, the times, and the ppl.


I hope this does not offecnd anyone, I am a great believer in ancient prophecies and in the Native American Tribes' cultures and myths.

Originally posted by isisinanna
These prophecies & others like it are all based in ancient folklore and have ben passed down through the generations. If anyone has played the game 'Telephone' you would understand how some of the facts adn points in the legend may have been altered slightly over the generations.

As a matter of fact, Elder William, when I talked about this great length of time, looked at me and with a twinkle in his eyes said that it wasn't so long ago...that it only represents the lives of seven people. At 92, he is a testament to this. I really doubt that anything had been altered in the story as decribed in the symbols of the wampum belt he holds in trust.

I hope this does not offend anyone, I am a great believer in ancient prophecies and in the Native American Tribes' cultures and myths.

No offence from this side...it's a good question which deserves a good answer. A book called 'The Sacred Scrolls of the Southern Ojibway by Selwyn Dewdney outlines how 10,000 years of history was carried through symbols on birchbark scrolls and oral traditions. These people took their story telling very seriously.
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Through the correspondence I have had with Elder William Commanda, via Romola and the office of Circle of all Nations, a better 'in depth' rendition of the Seven Prophets of the Seven Fires has been provided to me. I will copy it completely to this thread (as it was written and sent to me) in the hope that we can all better understand how Elder William, the Keeper of the Prophecy Belt, tells the story.

Please refer to the following prophecy from now on, rather than the initial post in the thread, as this one is more complete and pertinent...

from the office of Circle of All Nations, Kanata Ontario, K2L 3K7 (via printed text):

-Seven Fires-

Seven Prophets came to Anishinabe. They came at a time when the people were living a full and peaceful life on the North eastern coast of North America. These prophets left the people with seven predictions of what the future would bring. Each of the prophecies was called a fire and each fire referred to a particular era of time that would come in the future. Thus, the teachings of the seven prophets are now called the "Seven fires".

The first prophet said to the people, " In the time of the First Fire, the Anishinabe nation will rise up and follow the sacred shell of the Midewiwin Lodge. The Midewiwin Lodge will serve as a rallying point for the people and its traditional ways will be the source of much strength. The Sacred Megis will lead the way to the chosen ground of the Anishinabe. You are to look for a turtle shaped island at the beginning and end of your journey. There will be seven stopping places along the way. You will know the chosen ground has been reached when you come to a land where the food grows on water. If you do not move, you will be destroyed.

The second prophet said to the people, you will know the "Second Fire" because at this time the nation will be camped by a large body of water. In this time the direction of the Sacred Shell will be lost. The Midewiwin will diminish in strength, a boy will be born to point the way back to the traditional ways. He will show the direction to the stepping stones to the future of the Anishinabe people.

The third prophet said to the people " In the Third Fire the Anishinabe will find the path to their chosen ground, a land in the west to which they must move their families. This will be the land where food grows on water.

The Fourth Fire was originally given to the people by two prophets. They come as one. They told of the coming of the light skinned race.

One of the prophets said, " You will know the future of our people by the face the light skinned race wears. If they come wearing the face of brotherhood then there will come a time of wonderful change for generations to come. They will bring knowledge and articles that can be joined with knowledge of this country. In this way, two nations will join to make a mighty nation. This new nation will be joined by two more so that four will make the mightiest nation of all. You will know the face of the brotherhood if the light skinned race comes carrying no weapons. If they come bearing only their knowledge and a handshake."

The other prophet said, "Beware if the light skinned race comes wearing the face of death. You must be careful because the face of brotherhood and the face of death look very much alike. If they come carrying a weapon...beware. If they come in suffering...they could fool you. Their hearts may be filled with greed for the riches of the land. If they are indeed your brothers, let them prove it. Do not accept them in total trust. You shall know that the face they wear is one of death if the rivers run with poison and the fish become unfit to eat. You shall know them by these many things."

The fifth prophet said, "In the time of the Fifth Fire there will come a time of great struggle that will grip the lives of all Native people. At the warning of this Fire there will come among the people one who holds a promise of great joy and salvation. If the people accept this promise of a new way and abandon the old teachings, then the struggle of the Fifth Fire will be with the people for many generations. The promise that comes will prove to be a false promise. All those who accept this promise will cause the near destruction of the people."

The prophet of the Sixth Fire said," In the time of the Sixth Fire it will be evident that the promise of the Fifth Fire came in a false way. Those deceived by this promise will take their children away from the teachings of the ELDERS. Grandsons and Grand-daughters will turn against the ELDERS. In this way the ELDERS will lose their reason for living...they will lose their purpose in life. At this time a new sickness will come to the people. The balance of many people will be disturbed. The cup of life will almost be spilled. The cup of life will almost be the cup of grief."

At the time of these predictions, many people scoffed at the prophets. They then had medicines to keep away the sickness. They were then happy and healthy as a people. These were the people who chose to stay behind in the great migration of the Anishinabe. These people were the first to have contact with the light skinned race. They would suffer most.

When the Fifth Fire came to pass, a great struggle did indeed grip the lives of all native people. The light skinned race launched a military attack on the Indian people through-out the country aimed at taking away their land and their independence as a free and sovereign people. It is now felt that the promise that came at the end of the Fifth Fire was the materials and riches embodied in the way of life of the light skinned race. Those who abandoned the ancient ways and accepted this new promise were a big factor in causing the near destruction of the Native people of this land.

When the Sixth fire came to be, the words of the prophet rang true as the children were taken away from the teachings of the ELDERS. The boarding school era of "civilizing" Indian Children had begun. The Indian language and religion were taken away from the children. The people started dying at an early age...they had lost their will to live and their purpose in living.

In the confusing times of the Sixth Fire, it is said that a group of visionaries came among the Anishinabe. They gathered all the priests of the Midewiwin Lodge. They told the priests that the Midewiwin Way was in danger of being destroyed. They gathered all the sacred bundles. They gathered all the scrolls that recorded the ceremonies. All these things were placed in a hollowed out log from the (Ironwood tree). Men were lowered over a cliff by long ropes. They dug a hole in the cliff and buried the log where no one could find it. Thus the teachings of the Elders were hidden out of sight but not out of memory. It was said that when the time came that Indian people could practise their religion without fear that a little boy would dream where the Ironwood log, full of sacred bundles and scrolls were buried. He would lead his people to the place.

The seventh Prophet that came to the people long ago was said to be different from the other prophets. He was young and had a strange light in his eyes. He said, " In the time of the Seventh Fire (New People) will emerge. They will retrace their steps to find what was left by the trail. their steps will take them to the Elders who they will ask to guide them on their journey. But many of the Elders will have fallen asleep. they will awaken to this new time with nothing to offer. some of the Elders will be silent out of fear. Some of the Elders will be silent becuase no one will ask anything of them. The New People will have to be careful in how they approach the Elders. The task of the New People will not be easy.

If the New People will remain strong in their Quest, the Water Drum of the Midewiwin Lodge will again sound its voice. There will be a Rebirth of the Anishinabe Nation and a rekindling of old flames. The Sacred Fire will again be lit.

It is at this time that the light skinned race will be given a choice between two roads. If they choose the right road, then the Seventh Fire will light the Eighth and final Fire...an eternal Fire of peace, love, brotherhood and sisterhood. If the light skinned race makes the wrong choice of the roads, then the destruction which they brought with them in coming to this country will come back at them and cause much suffering and death to all the Earth's people.

traditional Mide people of Ojibway and people from other nations have interpreted the "two roads" that face the light skinned race as the road to technology and the other road to Spiritualism. They feel that the road to technology represents a continuation of the Head-Long rush to technological development. This is the road that has lead to modern society, to a damaged and seared Earth. Could it be that the road to technology represents a road to destruction? The road to Spitituality represents a slower path that Traditional Native People have travelled and are now seeking again. The Earth is not scorched on this trail. the grass is still growing there.

The Prophet of the Fourth Fire spoke of a time when "two nations will join to make a mighty nation". He was speaking of the coming of the light skinned race and the face of brotherhood that the light skinned Brother could be wearing. It is obvious from the history of this country that this was not the face worn by the light skinned race as a whole. That mighty nation spoken of in the Fourth Fire has never been formed.

If the Natural People of the Earth could just wear the face of brotherhood, we might be able to deliver our society from the road to destruction. could we make the two roads that today represent two clashing world views come together to form a mighty nation? Could a Nation be formed that is guided by respect for all living things? Are we the New People of the Seventh Fire?

In 1885, William W Warren published a book which explored the oral traditions of the Ojibway. I have the book on order, so I do not yet have a copy...but, I do have a quote from it which seems relevant to Seven Fires.

from History of the Ojibway People by William W Wallace Minnesota Historical Society Press ISBN 087351162X (also Borialis Books Reprint no. 75)

"The Ojibways affirm that long before they became aware of the white man's presence on this continent, their coming was prophesied by one of their old men, whose oft-repeated fasts enabled him to commune with spirits and see far into the future. He prophesied that the white spirits would come in numbers like sand on the lake shore, and would sweep the red race from the hunting grounds which the Great Spirit had given them as an inheritance. It was prophesied that the consequences of the white man's appearance would be, to the Anishinabeg, an ending of the world."

It should be noted here that the understanding of "an ending of the world" can be interpreted as an ending of a 'world age', much like the Mayan's believed...and not the total destruction of the planet or the human race. We seem to be rushing headlong toward a momentous occasion in our history and, as it unfolds, the results can surely be 'world changing'.
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The seventh Prophet that came to the people long ago was said to be different from the other prophets. He was young and had a strange light in his eyes. He said, " In the time of the Seventh Fire (New People) will emerge. They will retrace their steps to find what was left by the trail. their steps will take them to the Elders who they will ask to guide them on their journey. But many of the Elders will have fallen asleep. they will awaken to this new time with nothing to offer. some of the Elders will be silent out of fear. Some of the Elders will be silent becuase no one will ask anything of them. The New People will have to be careful in how they approach the Elders. The task of the New People will not be easy.

It has occured to me in the recent past that 'the Elders' are not willing to show their respect or bless others with their wisdom or participation in a discussion to someone who is 'un-wise', or seeking others advice.
I assume they are so aggravated with the younger generations that they would rather let someone mature who 'thinks' he has the answers guide the younger children. This way they have the opportunity to not only see stupid people trying to answer simple questions, they get to see the results of both of their 'ignorance'. They also know the best way to learn is from your own mistakes, so in some ways they also enjoy watching us make them.
It's not as if the Elders have any more faith in us than we have in ourselves. And you can't just approach them for help because they are going to be 'sour' towards anyone who want's to bring about change, when the Elders see them as a person who is still to young to understand 'reality'.
The bad thing about that is that the person who would find themselves on this journey would not be willing to tolerate being ignored or insulted by the same group twice.
It' like using a javelin to thread a needle 200 meters away.

All this considered, I still believe the fire of peace and love will eventually burn for eternity, it's just a matter of WHEN the fire is started and if we are still surrounded by an environment that we desire to see ourselves in for eternity.

Good thread masqua
Very interesting.

regarding the elders

Originally posted by Submersible
I assume they are so aggravated with the younger generations that they would rather let someone mature who 'thinks' he has the answers guide the younger children.

There is another reason why, and I think it bears the greatest responsibilty for the silence of the elders. Many of the people have joined the European churches and their advisements on all things spiritual. As a result, an elder who would speak of the 'old ways' of the Midiwewin would be shunned as backward and pagan. To hear Grandfather William speak on the effects of the church on the community would be shocking, really. I have purposely refrained from bringing it to this thread, knowing what kind of reaction it would produce here.

The spiritual education of the children has been taken from the traditional teachers and given over to the ministries bringing the Christian message. No wonder, then, that the elders stay silent (for the most part).

However, I think the tide is beginning to turn in a serious manner. More and more young people are now turning back and seeing the truth of what used to be taught...and it is primarily the young people who are leading that change. Elder William calls them Rainbow Warriors; a group of people who come together from various races under the banner of respect for each other, for nature and the proper management of the resources and environment around us.

What you say is true, in a way...but, there is hope for the future yet.

It's not as if the Elders have any more faith in us than we have in ourselves.

Interesting you should mention this. One of the hardest things for me when I met with the wise Elder Commanda was just being in his view.
I was in the presence of a very intelligent man...he understood the unsaid things and could tell everything about me as I sat there listening. Believe me, this is true. No-one can hide anything from this man...the respect he gets is immediate and nothing can fool him, imo.

I'm 59 years old, and I felt like a child when he looked at me.. and I felt like I was transparent...naked. I don't know how else to describe it. I believe if I had one thought which mocked him or disbelieved him in what he said, it would be immediately known. So, yes, the faith I had in me would be reflected in my demeanor, and he would have known.

All this considered, I still believe the fire of peace and love will eventually burn for eternity, it's just a matter of WHEN the fire is started and if we are still surrounded by an environment that we desire to see ourselves in for eternity.

I do too, Submersible. It may be a painful process in many ways, but, I do believe the world will be a better place for it. I'm changing my lifestyle, slowly and in different ways, but I'm determined.

Good thread masqua
Very interesting.

Thanks, that means a lot to me.
.edit to add: by the way, I really like your signature...it's a belief I hold very closely to my heart
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Originally posted by masqua
regarding the elders

One of the hardest things for me when I met with the wise Elder Commanda was just being in his view.
I was in the presence of a very intelligent man...he understood the unsaid things and could tell everything about me as I sat there listening. Believe me, this is true. No-one can hide anything from this man...the respect he gets is immediate and nothing can fool him, imo.

It seems logical that someone with this much knowledge and intelligence would also hold some sense of 'responsibility'. Him and other men like him have to understand that we have been travelling in the wrong direction for many many moons.
I guess once you reach that age the sensation of being a 'warrior' escapes them, maybe the ability to explain or understand that a better way of life is obtainable, becomes a curse at any age.
It's not as if we could obtain, much less entertain an audience by talking about the way things should be.
No matter which direction you look in, "the good ole' days" start to sound like folklore because honestly, for the children, it feels so far away.

Not that it does any good to place the blame on our forefathers for where we are today, I'm sure they assume some naturally.
Guilt is a tremendous thing to overcome, but once we realize that every generation has made their fair share of mistakes...
we can start to accept responsibility for what we consider as 'ours', and eventually learn that we all share the same burden.

Originally posted by Submersible

It seems logical that someone with this much knowledge and intelligence would also hold some sense of 'responsibility'. Him and other men like him have to understand that we have been travelling in the wrong direction for many many moons.

To be sure, we have been travelling in the wrong direction for more than 2 centuries. But the only way forward is in the 'now'. It's all very interesting to search the annals of history, looking for instances of cruelty and inhumanity, but it does nothing to change things. We can only try to improve what we are faced with today. When we talked, there was a lot of emphasis on forgiveness...not only for the transgressors, but also for ourselves.

I guess once you reach that age the sensation of being a 'warrior' escapes them, maybe the ability to explain or understand that a better way of life is obtainable, becomes a curse at any age.

Actually, with Elder Commanda, at least, the opposite is true. I suppose it depends on the idea of what a warrior is, and that we have a notion that it has to do with fighting and war. But, when he talked about the great hope he had in the late 60's and early 70's, he pointed out that many young people would seek out native elders to hear what they had to say about the world we lived in. He said that these young people from all races grew their hair long and would weave feathers into their hair. They would dance at the powwows and talk about how they wished to be better caretakers of the natural world. Elder William called these people Rainbow Warriors.
He sees the same thing happening again today, more than 30 years later. It is his greatest hope that this time they will be the fore-runners of real change.

He is also very active at 92. I saw him on television just a few weeks ago, on CPAC, a governmental access channel , involved in the process of changing the way communities are developed. I'd say he does more than anyone I know, undeterred by political changes, to further the effort to bringing unity in every aspect of our society. His international efforts, through the UN as well as travels to distant lands such as Africa are increasing, rather than decreasing, as you would expect with many people that age.

Incidentaly, the oldest person in Canada just passed away at the age of 120. This man was a native elder much like William Commanda...who knows, he may yet be with us for another few decades.

It's not as if we could obtain, much less entertain an audience by talking about the way things should be.

But that is his entire intent...and his audience is the entire world. His travels have included Switzerland, France, Germany, Denmark, United States Mexico and Japan...as well as various UN meetings.

No matter which direction you look in, "the good ole' days" start to sound like folklore because honestly, for the children, it feels so far away.

It's not about going back...it's about stopping war between the nations and bringing about a permanent peace in the world. It's also not about all the different races becoming like the NA's, but about mutual respect for each other.

Not that it does any good to place the blame on our forefathers for where we are today, I'm sure they assume some naturally.
Guilt is a tremendous thing to overcome, but once we realize that every generation has made their fair share of mistakes...
we can start to accept responsibility for what we consider as 'ours', and eventually learn that we all share the same burden.

Excellent point. It does us no good to hold the guilt which was inherited from our forefathers.

from Learning from a Kindegarten Dropout pg 145

This in essence is what William wants us to do ourselves: learn and heal from our mistakes and wrong doings. Once we develop this deep understanding of forgiveness, and can learn to be compassionate with ourselves, we can take that lesson to our relationships with others and forgive those who hurt us, and thus move beyond the limitations of our own pain and anger.

Also, William believes that as we forgive others, we must transform the current of energy that exists between them and us., and he urges us to trust that this energy will in time transform them. he in his own experiences has seen this alchemical transformation happen time after time.

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His unshakeable conviction in a uni-world evolved on principles of inter-relationship, connection and interdependence also incorporates values of balance and harmony, and it stands in sharp contrast to the world view of duality, difference and seperation that the church, amongst others, sought to impose on his peoples. Adults in his community still today recall with horror the nightmares that ensued with a Catholic teaching scroll about hell and purgatory...

Originally posted by masqua
It's not about going back...it's about stopping war between the nations and bringing about a permanent peace in the world. It's also not about all the different races becoming like the NA's, but about mutual respect for each other.

It's just hard for me and most people to overlook our government-the war machine. I don't perceive there being much peace in the world untill their 'true' actions against us is revealed and even then it won't be about 'peace', life will be about curing our disease.

You have a beautiful perception of life, I wish more people were able to share that with you.
It is the ultimate dream.

Originally posted by Submersible

It's just hard for me and most people to overlook our government-the war machine. I don't perceive there being much peace in the world untill their 'true' actions against us is revealed and even then it won't be about 'peace', life will be about curing our disease.

You have a beautiful perception of life, I wish more people were able to share that with you.
It is the ultimate dream.

Thanks, Submersible...although I'm beginning to doubt that it's a dream. One way or another, this new era of peace will come about.

One way...a world war of untold horror, bringing death and destruction on a scale never seen before by the human race. The few that are left to pick up the pieces will have no more need for war and will come together because it is neccessary for our survival. This would be the 'hard way'.

Another way...all people everywhere coming to the understanding that war can only bring the apocalypse described above. Imagine a world war using the weapons and the technology that is available today...indescribable. If we could only rise above such violence and prevent it from happening...

Here is the part of the prophecy which is relevant to what is developing today, IMO...

If the New People will find trust in the way of all things, in the circle, they will no longer need the selfish voice of the ego and they can begin to trust their inner voice. Wisdom will once again be found in dreams of the night and of the day. The sacred fire will once again be lit. The light-skinned people will be given a choice between two paths. If they choose the right path the Seventh Fire will light the Eighth Fire and final fire of brotherhood and sisterhood. If they choose the wrong path, remaing on the path of the mind, then the destruction they brought with them will come back to destroy them. The people of the earth will experience much suffering and death.

There is an island in the Ottawa River, in the center of our nations capitol, called Victoria Island. William Commanda has worked for over 5 years to build a Healing Centre there. It will be called the Island of Fire...the place where the Eighth Fire in the prophecy will hopefully be lit. I'll try and find a link, but there's not much online other than the architect who is going to build the centre. Personally, I'll be on the island on June 21, this year, for a pipe ceremony with William Commanda.
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Dear Masqua,
I have with great reverance fallowed your thread. I have but a tiny addition. I have lived in Europe, Denmark for many years and being a church going catholic I have experienced the tides flowing through our church the past 20-25 years.
The church/congregation I belonged to was surpriseingly open, even our elders knew we had to move on and listen to the whisper of the past to become "whole", even the convent where I was a postulant honored the teachings of "non" christians.
I am just trying to say there is hope, man is not blind.
I have heard bishops, vice bishops, people with great power speak of unity among religions, to grasp the wisdom of the past.
I have moved back to my Home Land where the catholics are liveing in an age that has long past. Why this is I wonder?
We would have annual gatherings of every existent religiuos culture. Huge.
And people rejoyced.
I wish this for every nation. Seperation is the power of evil not of our Creator.
I am just a simple writer with limited time so forgive my simplicty, and my spelling.
WIS

Hello, WalkInSilence...I'm sorry to take so long to respond to your post. It's not that I wished to ignore you, it was more because it affected me deeply.
Sometimes I wear my feelings on my sleeve and, when I get corrected on it, it winds up being an embarrassment to me. This is the situation here.

Originally posted by WalkInSilence
I have lived in Europe, Denmark for many years and being a church going catholic I have experienced the tides flowing through our church the past 20-25 years.
The church/congregation I belonged to was surpriseingly open, even our elders knew we had to move on and listen to the whisper of the past to become "whole", even the convent where I was a postulant honored the teachings of "non" christians.

There is no doubt that the Christian Church evolves. I have given up my faith in the church long ago, but never gave up on my faith...I just made it a lot more personal. For me to be dismissive about a religion is a huge mistake...there are plenty of examples of evolution, even in the Catholic faith, and it is demonstrated in the apologies given by Pope John Paul II for the mistakes made throughout history in the name of that church.

What you say is true...I've seen it myself. It's difficult, though, when I'm trying to relate the way Elder William sees the effects of the church on the Native American way of life and how they truly caused so much distress.

Thank you for pointing this out because it needed to be said.

Seperation is the power of evil not of our Creator.

Very true, WIS.

I am just a simple writer with limited time so forgive my simplicty, and my spelling.

I have to disagree here, WIS...you are anything but simple. What you have said made me really think about where I stand. I now know that I need to soften my opinions a bit.

Spelling...pfffft...as long as you get your message across, that's all that matters, and your message came across very well indeed.

BTW... Denmark is a country that has much in the way of interesting history. So few people have looked into it, but the little I have read about it has been enlightening.
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Please...
...you have no need to be embarresed and I on my side had no wish to cause you discomfort. Sorry.
As Elder William with other wise men says we must learn to forgive, but I believe it is equaly important to aknowledge our own guilt our responsibilty for the past. I find it to easy and a shameful statement that I had no doing in the murders of those who walked before me. I beleive we carry a terrible heritage that we must make right. How, I do not know?
Perhaps I can use my shame to cause less pain, to remind me to speak up, to take a standpoint and be present in my community. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Seperation is a dis-ease not only among races and religions as you know, that was why I told the little tale.
If the Wise Ones are silent it is perhaps because we come to them with greed in our hearts we ask for enlightment for ourselves as individuals.
We come with pride forgetting to be humble to listen for the wisdom that will preserve the pack. Is this why they are silent why we are astray?
I am not saying you do this, I just think it is a general attitude.

Be Strong and Full of Hope soon the ice will brake and the water flow again. Spring!!!!!
WIS


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I'm anishnabe, from michigan, Ojibway, Makwa Dodem.
I know the 7th generation prophecy well

frybread FTW

also, you got questions, I got answers. straight-up no bs.

the megis shell is a symbol of life and death. the story, goes. that that life began here when the megis shell appeared. at that time its regarded that the spirit world, and this world were one, untill the megis shell appeared. its all regarded that the megis shell appeared once more, bringing sickness and a "warning" of sorts to the incoming of european tourists.

'Sacred Scrolls of the Southern Ojibway' its not just the "southern Ojibway" its all ojibway.
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yeah, were still around, are culture is faltered but, not forgotten, northern canada and minnesota our languages and full teachings are still strong. questing for native teachings could lead alot of people to 'New-age beliefs..with crystals and eastern witch-craft...theres a fine difference...this one..well code, you could, say we live by...keeps us strong.

"our traditions are a way of life, and not a religin" we have stories of "our" version of god..but, honestly..its not gonna put food in our stomaches..our belief is there but, it shouldn't stop you from living your life...no matter what you beleive in don't let your beliefs in existance live you. *cracks can of soda*

cheers everyone...life is good



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