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NEWS: Paris Riots Spread To Twenty Suburbs

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posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 01:19 AM
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Looks like they are making a Machiavellian gambit to me, as in let France burn and then introduce some new leadership. Chirac's head on a pike soon?



But in republics there is more vitality, greater hatred, and more desire for vengeance, which will never permit them to allow the memory of their former liberty to rest; so that the safest way is to destroy them or to reside there.

The Prince by Nicolo Machiavelli




posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 01:49 AM
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Here is an interesting spin on these riotes and possibly why they (the French) are letting them continue:



Boost for Sarkozy?

Interior Minister's Nicolas Sarkozy has outraged many inhabitants of the estates by saying they should be "pressure-cleaned" of all the "scum" who live there.

But such comments may go down well with a part of the electorate ahead of the 2007 elections which are already dominating French politics.

Mrs Jallon's husband, also a teacher, was not sure of the exact mathematical relationship between the numbers of cars burnt and votes for the right-wing but said the violence would definitely help candidates calling for tougher law-and-order and immigration policies.

Some young rioters in Aulnay said the violence would continue until Mr Sarkorzy resigned for his insulting comments and what they see as racist policing.

It could be that on the contrary, they are actually helping his election campaign.

Source


Electioneering in a grand, if not macabre, way? Wouldn't put it past those French!



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by Regenmacher
How Long Before Europe Falls?
Europe’s salute will be bowing to Mecca



I'm almost ready to move to Europe to launch a Jihad against Islam in European countries.


I would think such a statement would put you on the same level as the "terrorists" ... think about it

Once again i repeat: these riots have nothing to do with Islam, sorry if some obviously "brainwashed" people here insist on seeing it that way. I'll tell you one thing, if these youths were real practicing muslims, they wouldn't have caused riots on Eid Mubarak ( celebrations for the end of Rammadan).



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 03:50 AM
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Originally posted by XyZeR
Once again i repeat: these riots have nothing to do with Islam, sorry if some obviously "brainwashed" people here insist on seeing it that way.


Then why does it happen in so many Muslim areas in Europe and elsewhere?
Why are the rape gangs in the Muslim areas of France also in the Muslim areas of Australia?



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 03:55 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by XyZeR
Once again i repeat: these riots have nothing to do with Islam, sorry if some obviously "brainwashed" people here insist on seeing it that way.


Then why does it happen in so many Muslim areas in Europe and elsewhere?
Why are the rape gangs in the Muslim areas of France also in the Muslim areas of Australia?


You have Christians who gang-rape people, probably have Jews as well.

In fact, you have a lot of people that do it but when they do it we deny they are religious because they do not live by their religion...

Odd that isn't.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 04:18 AM
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Originally posted by Odium

Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by XyZeR
Once again i repeat: these riots have nothing to do with Islam, sorry if some obviously "brainwashed" people here insist on seeing it that way.


Then why does it happen in so many Muslim areas in Europe and elsewhere?
Why are the rape gangs in the Muslim areas of France also in the Muslim areas of Australia?


You have Christians who gang-rape people, probably have Jews as well.

In fact, you have a lot of people that do it but when they do it we deny they are religious because they do not live by their religion...

Odd that isn't.


I think we're getting hung up on the word "religion" here. What the problem is in France, Birmingham, Denmark or elsewhere is a Race or Cultureissue, which is entirely different to what religion they practice.

What cannot be denied, is that recently in several European countries now, there have been lots of riots and extensive damage over relatively minor things that have been caused by those of a muslim descent, rather than focusing on them soley as Muslims, then denying it is Muslims because they dont do that...

Well, obviously someone is doing it and its not the indigenous Ethnic French population!

It is the immigrant populations all over that seem to think it ok to burn and loot like animals over what should be matters for the courts, not mob rule. This is Europe, not darkest sub-saharan Africa or Tribal desert dwellers in the ME.

They should learn that this behaviour is completely unnacceptable, learn the correct way dealing with issues and count themselves lucky we took them in and they're not in their home countries, otherwise they'd all be dead right now.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 05:08 AM
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this,(it's a long thread, i came in late) but this kind of "event" has occured twice in Australia recently.



The Redfern riot: January 14, 2004

Rioters set fire to a train station and pelted police officers with gasoline bombs in an Aborigine(sic) neighborhood here during a nine-hour street battle that began after a teenager died, reportedly while being chased by officers.
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The unrest followed the death of a 17-year-old Aborigine, Thomas Hickey, who was impaled on a fence when he fell from his bicycle. His mother said officers were chasing the youth, which the police deny.


Link to article



Riots break out in Macquarie Fields

For the third night in a row, at least 100 teenagers have clashed with police in Macquarie Fields, in Sydney's southwest.
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The violence follows the deaths of two local teenagers who were killed during a police car chase on Friday night.


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from Aiden Ridgeway, Australian member of parliament
In race riots the world over, most who participate are young men. No doubt, people will over-simplify the images and the reports they have seen. Many will be quick to point the finger of blame at Aboriginal (ed. read Muslim) youth and some will question the absence of parents or responsible community leaders in this tragic saga.
......

It is an indication that solutions to the problems have to come from both sides of the fence and it will require firm and resolute commitment from political and community leaders to pay more than lip service to the issues.

The desire to bulldoze the problems of Redfern and of Aboriginal people out of sight is one that has been expressed by generations of leaders and bureaucrats for the past 215 years. Intelligent politicians understand Indigenous people will not go away

Racial tension will always be there but if we ignore it we do so at our own peril.

Link

It seems there are striking similarities between these two events and what's occuring in Paris right now. The people of Redfern aren't terrorists or immigrants, they are the original inhabitants of this country.

The people of Macqaurie Fields could be unfairly pigeonholed as "white trash", again, not terrorists or immigrants, more to the point they live in an economically depressed suburb on the fringes of Sydney in a poorly designed public housing project.

Now compare the above two incidents to the quote from the original post.



The riots started last Thursday after the electrocution deaths of two teenagers who ran from a soccer game and hid in a power station in the northeastern suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois after they saw police enter the area. Youths in the neighborhood said police chased the boys to their death.


It seems like people in bad situations responding desperately in response to a bad incident occuring. And it can happen anywhere.

There's another interesting parallel to all this, each of the three groups mentioned above are often considered pariahs.

When you're living on the edge, it doesn't take much to tip you over.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by Regenmacher
How Long Before Europe Falls?
Europe’s salute will be bowing to Mecca

Europe has a history of ridding itself of undesired minorities, see Nazi Germany. I'd rather bet on the US bowing to Mecca in the long term than on Europe. The last two times the US picked side, they sided with the muslims, attacked Serbia and forced the Macedonians into appeasing.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
WRONG. They WANT to be a Part of the French Society -
but they are Pushed to the Side,

No Souljah. YOU are wrong. But of course, you'll
never admit to that. There is no 'romance' in admitting
that those Muslims just don't want to integrate and just
don't want to get along with the infidels.


If there is a Problem - Blame Muslims!

THEY are the ones burning and rioting. THEY are the ones
lighting handicapped women on fire to try to murder in the
most painful way possible. Yes... blame the ones doing it.
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. They light the match ... they
are to blame.


Lets not talk about how France ignored the
problematics of Immgrants for Decades.


That was already addressed in the article that you refuse to
acknowledge as fact. Go back and reread. There were and
are many programs for them. They just don't want it.

www.frontpagemag.com...

As was already said - they are leaving their own countries and
just transplanting those problems into the new ones. It's their own
fault. That's all there is to it. End of story.



[edit on 11/6/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by Odium
You have Christians who gang-rape people, probably have Jews as well.


Sure. But google up gang-rape. For the most part what you get is
an 'epidemic' of gang rape by muslims and gang rape in prisons.


SMH

www.fjordman.blogspot.com...

www.fjordman.blogspot.com... -

PAKISTAN RAPE STATISTICS-
www.news.bbc.co.uk... -

www.jewishworldreview.com...

www.un-instraw.org...


[edit on 11/6/2005 by FlyersFan]

[edit on 6-11-2005 by Nerdling]



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

www.fjordman.blogspot.com...

www.fjordman.blogspot.com...


That type of thing really angers me, both the rape and the replacement of the native population.



In a fit of absent-mindedness, Sweden has suddenly become as heavily populated by minorities as any country in Europe. The percentage of foreign-born is roughly equivalent to the highest percentage of immigrants the United States ever had in its history (on the eve of World War I). Rosengård appears to be all-immigrant. The public schools have virtually no ethnically Swedish children.



[edit on 6-11-2005 by AceOfBase]



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 07:45 AM
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The public schools have virtually no ethnically Swedish children


That is what it is like in my town, Reading, UK. So much so, that I am going to pay £1600/term to send my daughter to a private school once she is of age. It is not a race thing, it is concern over the fact she will not mingle with a balanced set of people, rather than the two schools near me which are 95% Muslim.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by stumason
....the two schools near me which are 95% Muslim.


How the heck did the government let that happen?
Why did they let immigration get so out of control?

[edit on 6-11-2005 by AceOfBase]



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 07:49 AM
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Still on that muslim gang rape thing ...


web.amnesty.org...

For those of you who still think Amnesty International is a
good organization - rape used as a weapon in war.

We all know about BOSNIA and the gang rapes there.
It's also used in Africa. Read up.

The figures on Muslim rape of Western women in Europe are astounding. ...
www.fjordman.blogspot.com...

[edit on 11/6/2005 by FlyersFan]

[edit on 11/6/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by stumason
....the two schools near me which are 95% Muslim.


How the heck did the government let that happen?
Why did they let immigration get so out of control?

[edit on 6-11-2005 by AceOfBase]


It just so happens that I live in the town centre, where most immigrants congregate. If I could afford to live out of town and still get to work easily (I dont drive), the schools will be 95% English.

But, the situation I am in and the catchment areas I fall under would mean my little girl would end up going to a school that is not represenative of the Nation and she may very well become assimilated into what they believe.

Even the teachers at these schools are Muslim. No way will I let her go there, hence the stupidly large bill. Fortunately, I can afford it, but many can't.



[edit on 6/11/05 by stumason]



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
For those of you who still think Amnesty International is a
good organization - rape used as a weapon in war.

We all know about BOSNIA and the gang rapes there.
It's also used in Africa. Read up.

Rape has always been used as a weapon of war.. it not something thats used exclusively by one race and not another. I am certain that if western countries had civil war it would be happening in those as well.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 08:00 AM
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Here's an article on the Muslim gang rapes in Australia and how the polititians tried to downplay it:



The Sydney Morning Herald

So now we know the facts, straight from the Supreme Court, that a group of Lebanese Muslim gang rapists from south-western Sydney hunted their victims on the basis of their ethnicity and subjected them to hours of degrading, dehumanising torture. The young women, and girls as young as 14, were "sluts" and "Aussie pigs", the rapists said. So now that some of the perpetrators are in jail, will those people who cried racism and media "sensationalism" hang their heads in shame? Hardly.

The journalists, academics, legal brains and politicians who tried to claim last August that the gang rapes of south-western Sydney were just a run-of-the-mill police blotter story being beaten up by racists, scaremongers and political opportunists don't ever want to acknowledge the truth about that ugly episode in Australian history. They don't want to acknowledge the fear and tension that ran through a part of Sydney they rarely visit and can never understand.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by Odium

Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by XyZeR
Once again i repeat: these riots have nothing to do with Islam, ...


Originally posted by stumason

I think we're getting hung up on the word "religion" here. What the problem is in France, Birmingham, Denmark or elsewhere is a Race or Cultureissue, which is entirely different to what religion they practice.

What cannot be denied, is that recently in several European countries now, there have been lots of riots and extensive damage over relatively minor things that have been caused by those of a muslim descent,


yes race culture are two 'parts'...but lets add economic situation and world-view which is fundamentally constructed from the religious ~ training & instruction people have grown up with throughout their lives. be they Muslim or Christian or Hindu, et al



Originally posted by stumason
They should learn that this behaviour is completely unnacceptable, learn the correct way dealing with issues
((and count themselves lucky we took them in and they're not in their home countries, otherwise they'd all be dead right now)).


'Their' behavior, (the immigrant, Muslim) being also poor & mainly N African concerning this ongoing rioting which is spreading in France...is not the European Way of behaving or dealing with issues (as in going to court)

actually 'their' world-view and culture and religious training does not actually abide or acknowledge the laws & morays which evolved in the white-european-christian/protestant world, which they immigrated to.
'their' faux respect, is just really the fear & intimidation of these classes of people as 'they' just try to survive in the alien european culture without getting outed or expelled or exiled in a economic or physical way.
'They' don't want to Assimilate...that is losing ones identity, culture, ancestory and future.....

on the other hand- - its(the riot) not a seeming 'justified' response to discriminations, which is feeding this frenzy of rioting...

see (AP) -snip-


..Most rioting has been in towns with low-income housing projects
where unemployment and distrust of police run high...




But in a new development,
arsonists were moving beyond their heavily policed neighborhoods
to attack others with less security, Hamond said




'they are very mobile, in cars ans scooters...its quite hard to combat'

'most are young, very young, we have seen young minors'

...within gangs, youths are communicating by cell phones and e-mails...


? just how are the very young, say 10-13-18 year olds, engaging in mayhem and running amok, making a 'protest' against poverty wages or bottom of the barrel jobs?? sheeze, i bet the masses of these unfortunates are wearing expensive logo sportwear, text messaging & cellphoning all over creation in a hedonistic frenzy...rationalizing & justifying every pernicious act comitted



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 08:37 AM
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If they arnt French citizens deport them, see how they like it back in the desert's of north Africa or where ever they immigrated from.

To many Immigrants to western country's expect everything handed to them on a silver platter, without even making the basic effort such as learning the local language.

One of the best immigrant tails i ever read was about a man from Vietnam
who migrated to Australia, in his own words he thought he had died and gone to heaven to be in Australia and went on to make a great living for himself helping out new immigrants.

Shame so many people dont think/behave like old man Vietnam here.



posted on Nov, 6 2005 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher
If they arnt French citizens deport them, see how they like it back in the desert's of north Africa or where ever they immigrated from.

That's teach em good. Thems living in the lap of luxury at tax payers expence n all. This is so much better than living in the desert:


some persepctive
September 5, 2005
Arson blamed as new Paris fire kills 15

Fifteen people, including at least three children, were killed and more than 30 injured in an apartment block fire in a southern Paris suburb early on Sunday - the third fatal fire to hit the French capital in nine days.



more perspective

Immigrants die in new Paris fire
Tuesday, 30 August 2005

More than 100 firefighters tackled the blaze
A fire has killed seven people - including four children - in a building housing African immigrants in Paris, just days after a similar lethal blaze.
Officials say about 12 families from Ivory Coast were living there in deplorable conditions. The blaze happened in the central Marais area.

On Friday, 17 West Africans died in another Paris apartment block fire, and a similar blaze killed 24 in April.

Seems the immigrants have been under attack for the last year.. or maybe they're just being oversensitive. Hey.. maybe their 'evil' religion requires them to go arioting every now and then for no real reason and they're just being ungrateful. Yep.. that must be it.


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