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NEWS: Paris Riots Spread To Twenty Suburbs

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posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
The problems are visible now and I hope the French realize what that problem is and work to correct it by deporting or killing those people.

That are some pretty strong words - Killing those people?

For what?

Civil Disobedience?

They are Protesting becase they want Justice!

No Justice = No Peace.




posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 08:42 AM
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This type of thing is not isolated to France.
There are many instances of this type of behavior amongst muslims in other European countries.

This is from Denmark, from a couple of nights ago:



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Four youths sit on the wall in Rosenhøj Mall sunday afternoon, calling themselves spokesmen for the groups, that three nights in a row have ravaged and tried to burn down the restaurant and other stores.

Around the parking lot, cars with youngsters from the immigrant community are swarming, and many are walking around, greeting each others with a sense of victory after the worst riots in Århus in years.


This is what it's like in some areas of Sweden:


Fox News November 2004

MALMO, Sweden — Swedish authorities in the southern city of Malmo (search) have been busy with a sudden influx of Muslim immigrants — 90 percent of whom are unemployed and many who are angry and taking it out on the country that took them in.

"If we park our car it will be damaged — so we have to go very often in two vehicles, one just to protect the other vehicle," said Rolf Landgren, a Malmo police officer.

Fear of violence has changed the way police, firemen and emergency workers do their jobs.

There are some neighborhoods Swedish ambulance drivers will not go to without a police escort. Angry crowds have threatened them, telling them which patient to take and which ones to leave behind.


Europeans need to take the streets back from these people.



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
They are Protesting becase they want Justice!

No Justice = No Peace.


The French people are not getting justice so they should not give the muslim immigrants any peace.



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 08:45 AM
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Burning 400 cars, stores and public buildings is against the law and liable to severe criminal prosecution. As citizens, we all have to respect the law, in France, just like in other countries.

So, yeah, we can try to explain these riots in a way or another. Do you think that the owner of a single one of these cars, or of a single one of these stores destroyed, CARES about the reason why ? Do you think that the citizens who now do not dare walking down the streets at night because they could be harmed or killed actually CARE about the reason why?

The fact is, and remains : these criminal bastards need punishment and absolutely no tolerance for what they have been doing everynight for 8 days now.

If anyone thinks differently, then all he has to do right now, is to leave our civilized nations, and go back to the jungle with a stiff stick.

Many of us are fed up with the "agressor is a victim" bull#.



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Civil Disobedience?

Thats not civil disobedience. These guys are rioting. If King was organizing stuff like this, then he and ghandi'd've deserved to've been shot.



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 08:55 AM
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Two Young Men are DEAD because of Police Negligence and Ignorance.

These are the Consequences.



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Two Young Men are DEAD because of Police Negligence and Ignorance.

These are the Consequences.


THEY ARE DEAD BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN ACTIONS!!!!

The police did not tell them to run into a dangerous substation.
The police did not electrocute them.

[edit on 4-11-2005 by AceOfBase]



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 09:09 AM
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They see no future, and thus they will riot. Until the situation changes to give slums a sense of hope...they will continue to riot. People that are malnourished and lack decent education are not rational in these situations, they resort to violence because it is what they know...the law of the jungle.

If the priority was to foster an enivroment that doesn't breed hoplessness, then maybe France would see less polarization and dissention.



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
THEY ARE DEAD BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN ACTIONS!!!!

The police did not tell them to run into a dangerous substation.
The police did not electrocute them.


THE POLICE DID NOT HELP THEM OR WARN THEM EITHER!

The Unknown Cop said on his Cell Phone:

"They are Not Going Anywhere Now!"

And

WHY is the Police DENYING the fact that they were chasing them?



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by Regenmacher
If the priority was to foster an enivroment that doesn't breed hoplessness, then maybe France would see less polarization and dissention.


And what about Denmark and Sweden and Britain?

Maybe the problem isn't with the host countries, it may be with the immigrants themselves.

The governments of those countries should focus on caring for their own citizens, not the citizens of other countries.

[edit on 4-11-2005 by AceOfBase]



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
The problems are visible now and I hope the French realize what that problem is and work to correct it by deporting or killing those people.


The French have been aware of the problem for sometime and most it has gone unreported until now, yet the French Government has never addressed the situation.


Small-scale suburban violence and car-torchings are a regular, though largely unreported, fact of life in troubled suburbs of Paris and other French cities dominated by low-income housing projects marked by unemployment and delinquency. What sets the current unrest apart is its duration, and the way it rapidly ignited beyond the original flash point of Clichy-sous-Bois in northeast Paris.

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I would agree that deportation might be the answer, however we have to realize we are talking 2nd generation youth born in France which makes then legal citizens as I understand it.

Now since we know they are dealing with children that are mostly in their teens, that means the parents are to blame for not keeping them home as they should.

Look at what happened recently in Toledo Ohio the mayor got that under control rather fast by putting a curfew in place which kept the youth off the streets. Why can't the French do the same?

One does not have to be rocket scientist to know that a curfew is a good deterrent, yet again the French have not even used one in over a week. It would appear their government thinks they can talk them out of committing violence. Now We all no talk does not or will not work with violent gangs you have to deal with them fast. I am not saying they should be killed, but certainly the police should have materials/devices that could deter the crime.

Pepper spray comes to mind real fast, although I do not know if it can be dispensed in volumes. I know if I got a shot of pepper spray in my face, I sure would think twice.

Last night the O'Reilly factor had an expert from a Muslim nation and he says there appears to an identity crisis with these 2nd generation Black Muslims. I wish they had the transcript of the show up, but I checked and it is not up yet. The individual that made the statement really made some very good points and I am afraid if I tried to explain it from memory I would more then likely distort some of what he said and I do not want to do that.

Here is another part of the same story above that shows or claims the parents are doing something the police are not and that is keeping their kids inside as they should have been.


. He said parents were determined to keep their teenagers at home to prevent unrest. "People have had enough. People are afraid. It's time for this to stop." (Same source as above).


As we can see this could be deterred greatly by the parents themselves if they really wanted too.

Another article mentioned that those Muslims that have achieved middle class status in France are afraid to go out side because of this problem.

What is wrong with this whole picture? The french government is far too complacent and parents have no control over their own children. :shk:


This makes me sick



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
THE POLICE DID NOT HELP THEM OR WARN THEM EITHER!

The Unknown Cop said on his Cell Phone:

"They are Not Going Anywhere Now!"

And

WHY is the Police DENYING the fact that they were chasing them?


The boy who survived is denying that the police chased them.
Two witnesses also denied that the police were chasing them.

I went to the website you gave in the other thread and used translation software on it and I don't see anything like that quote you gave about "They are Not Going Anywhere Now!".

It does discuss the situation in France with unemployment but I don't see any quotes from police officers.

Was this the right link?
Zakaj gori Pariz?

If so, can you copy and paste the particular paragraph with the quote?

[edit on 4-11-2005 by AceOfBase]



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 09:34 AM
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or is the larger "clash of Civilizations' spilling over into the 'advanced-western-civilized-christian' nations??

talking about fires, there were two other, epic, history changing events;

"The Great Fire of London - 1666 AD"

"The Great Fire of Rome - 64 AD"

the London fire killed an estimated 3000 of the riff-raff, so was that just a population control, extermination exercise, begun/conspired by the elites

the Rome fire is a similar 'secret', the fire began around the circus maximus
wher the dregs of society were centered.

makes one wonder if this Paris drama, follows in the tradition of the other famous infernos

oh, lets not forget the Great Chicago Fire or the NYC Fire that decimated the Hells' Kitchen area & the concentrated 'foreigners' enclaves.
(ya'll will have to google up those fires...cause they were an afterthought as i was typing this post)



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

The governments of those countries should focus on caring for their own citizens, not the citizens of others countries.


Who's family has not immigrated at one time or another?

They might of considered setting immigration controls rather than seeing them as cheap labor to be continually exploited. If the host nation lets them immigrate, it's the host country's job to foster an environment that promotes social well being. Letting slums develop to fulfill cheap labor markets is going to have its potential for revolts.

France can deal with it's shortsightedness of cheap labor, slums and riots through oppression, or they can get out of the violence loop and start showing these immigrants they have a chance to live better.

French gov't powerless as worsening riots spread from Paris

Small-scale suburban violence is a regular but unreported fact of life in many poor areas on the outskirts of major French cities. According to the police intelligence service, a total of 28,000 cars were burned across the country this year -- even before the latest outbreak.


Deep roots of Paris riots

After a week of nightly disturbances that have left hundreds of cars and buses torched, and several buildings burned down, the horns echoing off the concrete walls of grim housing projects sounded a broader alarm. The spreading violence has lifted the lid on an ugly stew of poverty, discrimination, and desperation amongst immigrant-descended families that most French citizens have long preferred to ignore.

"Frankly I am not surprised by what is happening," says Dounia Bouzar, an expert on French-born Muslims who has worked in the mostly black and North African districts on the outskirts of Paris. "Given the way these kids live, I wonder why it doesn't happen more often."



[edit on 4-11-2005 by Regenmacher]



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
The boy who survived is denying that the police chased them.
Two witnesses also denied that the police were chasing them.



CNN reported this morning (Sorry could not find a hard copy to confirm) but they did state the two that died were aware of the dangers envolved near the transformers, yet they still went near them so if that is true, it is all their own fault for dying and not the police.

I also found this, which I find very interesting the police claim they do not have the resources if you will to deal with the situation.


"There's a civil war underway in Clichy-Sous-Bois at the moment," Michel Thooris, an official of police trade union Action Police CFTC, said .

"We can no longer withstand this situation on our own. My colleagues neither have the equipment nor the practical or theoretical training for street fighting," he said.

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[edit on 11/4/2005 by shots]



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 10:19 AM
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I don't think the problem here is allowing and or welcoming the assimilation of these immigrants into France. We are seeing the same issue beginning to arise world-wide and its not from lack of trying its from the refusal of the culture in place to change or allow these immigrants to change it for them. In most countries, when you immigrate, you must meld into their society which is where the old saying, "When In Rome" came from.

However, with the muslim people, somehow everyone around them is either expected to fall in line with the lifestyle they knew or turn a blind eye while they break the laws because their culture does not value the same things. It seems pretty clear that the crack down on these little gang rape parties is probably the main cause. Its one thing to resist total control but its another to demand the right to rape and murder..which in essence is what they are doing.

I have to agree with those of you who think its time to get more agressive in dealing with these thugs. These people are not the elderly, women, or children. These people are the street thugs who loved their environment because they could rob, rape and kill at will.

Sometimes its hard to tell the difference between fighting oppression and fighting to oppress. These people do not care about poverty, in fact they rely on it to keep them in an endless suplly of victims and provide a somwhat tangible excuse for their behavior.



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by astrocreep
Sometimes its hard to tell the difference between fighting oppression and fighting to oppress. These people do not care about poverty, in fact they rely on it to keep them in an endless suplly of victims and provide a somwhat tangible excuse for their behavior.


Excellent point Astrocreep, in the case of the Muslim youths it appears the religion is there to hide behind, the real reason for the conditions of their existance is that they (the immigrants) allow the bullies the power to socially strangle them and deny them the ability to better themselves. In this case it would appear that the people that should be removed from the neighborhoods are the bullies and the other agents of repression, backward thinking Imams.



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 12:01 PM
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Now a handicapped woman has been burned after rioters covered her bus in fuel and then set in on fire while she was still in it.




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Justice Minister Pascal Clement was visibly shaken after being briefed about a handicapped woman in her 50s who was badly burnt on Wednesday evening when rioters poured petrol on a city bus she was riding in and set it ablaze.

"This is immense violence," he told reporters in Bobigny, another town in the Seine Saint Denis department between central Paris and Charles de Gaulle airport that has been the worst hit. "I think all French are shocked to see things like this."


[edit on 4-11-2005 by AceOfBase]



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 12:19 PM
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Why is Paris Burning?



Družini nesrečno umrlih francoskih najstnikov Zyada in Boune sta vložili tožbo proti neznani osebi zaradi kaznivega dejanja »nezagotavljanja pomoči človeku v nevarnosti«. Zahteva temelji na doslej še neznanih podrobnostih. Organi reda so pobeglima mladeničema, osumljenima vdora v gradbeno barako, menda sledili do električnega transformatorja –tega uradna verzija ne omenja –, prijeti pajdaši pa so menda slišali policista, ki je po prenosnem telefonu neznanemu kolegu zatrdil, da sta domnevna vlomilca »v električni centrali, (zato) ne bosta prišla daleč«. Preiskavo okoliščin smrti obeh mladeničev je zahteval tudi sam predsednik Jacques Chirac. Toda, ali bo razjasnitev tragičnega dogodka pomagala pogasiti požar, ki je zajel kar pet departmajev na obrobju Pariza?

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Families of the Unfortunate two young men, have filed Charges against the Unknown man (a police officer), for an act of criminal offense "Not-Assuring Help to Someone in Danger". The Claim is based on so far Unknown details. Police Forces have been actually FOLLOWING the two youths, who were suspected of breaking an entry of a construction barracs. They Followed them to the Electical Tranformation central - which is not written in the offical report - and the captured friends of the two, did hear one of the officers saying on the Phone, that Suspected burglere are in the Electrical Central and "They Will not Get Anywhere far now". An investigation about the secret circumstances, of these two youth's death was requested by the president Chirac. But will the full explanation help to fight the fires that are burning in Paris?

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Delo

[edit on 4/11/05 by Souljah]



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 12:34 PM
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I haven't seen anything like that in any English language news source.
It make me wonder how relibale that information is.




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