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NEWS: Paris Riots Spread To Twenty Suburbs

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posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
There were only 163 vehicles burned in France last night.
They also burned yet another church.

That is a big drop in burned vehicles from previous nights but I wonder how much higher it would have been without the curfews.


Lets see one church at a minimum of 50K (Note I am being very conservative here.) My guess is more then likely a church with all artifacts would be well over 250,000 and again I am being conservative.

Then 163 cars at lets say 12,000 average (again using a very low figure)

Equals combined total over two million and that is just one night.:shk:

Now we have to keep in mind they have extended the curfews for another three months. By the time this is over the cost could run into billions of dollars Oh wait it already is in the billions




posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 07:41 AM
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French Police have given an all clear after 20 days of rioting when only 98 cars were torched.




France Back to Normal after Rioting
French police have declared the all-clear after three weeks of civil violence that set off a fierce debate over the country's poor and immigrant neighbourhoods.

As politicians grappled with the root causes of the unrest in a bid to stop it exploding again, the national police service said on Thursday that there was a "return to a normal situation everywhere in France" overnight, with just 98 vehicles torched across the country.

That figure was within the average nightly range seen before the worst civil unrest that France has seen in nearly four decades broke out on October 27.

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In all, since the start of the troubles, 9,071 vehicles have been destroyed and 2,921 people apprehended.




Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


I cannot believe they consider torching 98 cars a day (considered within average by French Police) is normal; that is beyond belief. Think about that it is roughly 35,770 cars burned each year.

That is not what I would call an acceptable level.

Sarkozy is now considered the front runner according to a recent poll with 63% followed by de Villepin who has roughly 47%. It is thought that Chirac will not run for reelection.



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 08:12 AM
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The Question is:

Will the French Government learn from this and attempt to fix the rift in their Society?

Let us all hope they do, otherwise France will go one of two ways;
Divide even further and allow for the rise of a Nationalist Government.
Even more riotting.



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by Odium
The Question is:

Will the French Government learn from this and attempt to fix the rift in their Society?


I hope all of Europe learns from this and stops granting amnesty to persons from muslim countries.

It seems that they cannot fit into European society.
This is not just a problem in France but in almost every Western nation that they move into.


It's not just burning cars either, it's crimes like rape that were discussed earlier in this thread.
Rape in Sweden - and its perpetrators

Fox News video report on muslims in Sweden:
Eurabia-Sweden-Fox-News

[edit on 17-11-2005 by AceOfBase]



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
It seems that they cannot fit into European society.
This is not just a problem in France but in almost every Western nation that they move into.

Fox News video report on muslims in Sweden:
Eurabia-Sweden-Fox-News

[edit on 17-11-2005 by AceOfBase]


Thanks for the link to the video Ace very informative. I noted that the reporter claimed the unemployment rate in Sweden is worse then France when it comes to Muslim immigrants at a whooping 90%.

Then you take into the fact as stated in the report the majority of them will not ever graduate from school at all.:shk: Definitely not a good sign for Sweden and France if they are both the same, although France does appear to have a lower unemployment rate.

With the above in mind I have to say you are right on target when you say they should not be allowed to immigrate at all.


[edit on 11/17/2005 by shots]



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by shots
Thanks for the link to the video Ace very informative.


I posted a few other videos in the thread below but nobody seems to go to the Multimedia Uploads forum.

Eurabia - Muslims in Europe



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 10:22 AM
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AceOfBase, so you are saying we should punish Muslim's who do not get involved in rape, etc?

Sorry but as I pointed out earlier the Statistics still show White-Male's in the United Kingdom doing more than their fair share of crime and hold a much higher percentage of over-all crime than statistically any other group does compaired to population size.

Would the wise thing not to be to punish those who commit the crimes? They are not all guilty because they are Muslim's and this mindset really doesn't help. It's a very bigotted arguement in my view.

Should we kick out any 'group' whose members commit a crime? To me that seems idiotic and something which was said about Asians, Hispanics, Slavs and every other group. Russian's commit crimes all over the E.U, however should I have never been allowed to come to the United Kingdom or should I be forced to leave because of their actions? To me that just seems wrong. You punish those who are guilty, not those who are innocent.

Statistically the Scotish have more rape cases than the English and Welsh do, should we not allow the Scotish to come into England? Where do you place the line or is it only Muslim's?




Source
Table 5.5 Arrests for notifiable offences by offence and ethnic appearance 1999/2000
England and Wales
Sexual offences
White: 82.9%
Black: 9.0%
Asian: 5.4%


Black people are still targetted more in the U.K. percentage wise of the population, have a conviction rate in line with percentage of the population they make up yet spend more time in prison for the same crime compaired to white people....

Like it or not, white males do a vast majority of crime in the U.K. I can link to report after report giving you these statistics and it is unfair to punish innocent people on behalf of guilty people.



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 10:26 AM
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Maybe you should crosspost them, AceOfBase. They were very eye-opening. And happening right under our noses. The ones on France and England were troubling, IMO. People don't realize what is rapidly growing in their backyard.


xu

posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 10:33 AM
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warning: this post contains extreme sarcasm.

I agree, Europe should learn from this and stop granting amnesty to persons from muslim countries, and if they did or readily have, they should not be given proper education and job opportunities, and if they dont like it or try to protest it they should be deported if not shot on sight. I say let them rot.

this was the summary of this thread, man this is screwed.


people are free to chose their own phobias according to their tastes. and I am not willing to try to convince people out of their obsessions, so I may better get along with you;

"Burn them !"
"No! Hang tem first !"
"No! First Burn Them and hang them Later !"

this is wrong you are biased, you can not think clearly.

you are posting vids in support of your statement, if it works that way should I Watch! this video ( it is a mockery though the american people in it and their comments are real) and reach to a prejudice about all the americans. That would be wrong obviosuly, and if that was the case I would not be here communicating with you.

the interesting thing is it is not even your country and you have an isolated view from overseas and making comments like "shoot them on sight, dont take them into country deport all", kind of comments, I find it offensive that such comments are being made before the reality, the reasons, and the intents in this situation is fully grasped from abroad.

even though I do not defend any side in the events in France, it is obvious that there is a past and there were reasons for what had happened, and if you consider the facts you will see these things are happening for a reason, and if people are interested in resolving these problems, they should accept these facts, acknowledge the conditions and reasons as I already told you that even French know these and accept that there is racial discrimination, yet the people overseas obviosuly need some enlightenment.

Im repeating this, if any country wants (in the past or today) to practice the benefits of flowing immigrant work force, they should also make sure that the family of these workers, their sons and sons of their sons get the proper education and opportunuties, you can not get rid of from a part of your society by simply disregarding them or leaving them to rot. the immigrants at the start of the 20th century played an important role in the revitalization of France and their sons and grandsons still live there. plus if things would come to this, and if France wouldnt set the neccessary conditions for the accepted population, then simply it shouldnt accept the poppulation to begin with. The act of "not accepting" a group should be done before, not after you take them into country.

So again a repeat, France should rethink their Immigration policy until it reachs to a condition where she can healthily maintain it, not because the imigrants are from Muslim countries. simply she cant take anymore, she cant maintain or support the readily available ones as it is made obvious by the recent events.



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by Odium
Source
Table 5.5 Arrests for notifiable offences by offence and ethnic appearance 1999/2000
England and Wales
Sexual offences
White: 82.9%
Black: 9.0%
Asian: 5.4%


According to that information, the population of England and Wales is 94.08% white and yet they account for only 83.3% of sexual offenses. That's a lower percentage than their population.

The so called 'Asians' are only 3% of the population but account for 5.4% of the sexual offenses. That's almost double the percentage of their population.

A lot of those 'Asians' committing the crimes are probably Pakistani rather than Indian.



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 10:53 AM
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You cannot use job opportunities to combat the poison being fed to the youth by their religious leaders. If you watched the vid about France, it starts off with a be.ing that affected nobody in the room. Apparently they are that jaded.

Then we hear hate speech form imams, and we see them recruiting the local youths for murder.

Surely those types should be punished or deported before they do further harm, right, xu?



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by shots
Thanks for the link to the video Ace very informative.


I posted a few other videos in the thread below but nobody seems to go to the Multimedia Uploads forum.


That being the case with no one viewing them I feel it is only appropriate your very informative links be posted here since they are relevant to this discussion.

These videos thanks to ACE
show the situation of muslims in Europe.

Click here to watch Eurabia-Spain-Fox-News

Click here to watch Eurabia-Sweden-Fox-News

Click here to watch Eurabia-France-Fox-News

Click here to watch Eurabia-Britain-Fox-News

Thank you AceOfBase you seem to have a very good nose for news that shows the current state of events in Europe. You are a great asset for ATSNN


xu

posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 11:21 AM
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Surely those types should be punished or deported before they do further harm, right, xu?


I totally agree with that, also I recommened that Germany immediately take action againts those radicals, in my previous post. yet people have some misconceptions, when they see one or two of these clips they think this is how all people who originate from muslim nations are.

and also dont forget that the conditions which give way to such brainwashing activites are, where lowly educated, and mostly unemployed people habit. if you exclude a group from society, if you do not give them the opportunuties (Im not saying aid here) and education, you cant expect anything good from them really.

and the muslim stereotyping in the events which took place in France is outright wrong. Im not saying there werent any single radical religious dudes there. Im sure that we can assume that there was at least one person there whose drive in riot was about say he couldnt go to the bar last week because he was penniless, but we cant stereotype the participants of this riot as alcoholics who demand "special standard alcohol intake aid" from the gov. there were churches burnt, so were mosques. I dont see why only one side of it is taken as facts and rest is dumped, and degrade this to a religious matter while it is obviously not. if people watched all the interviews they will get better facts for their stereotyping needs.



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by xu
when they see one or two of these clips they think this is how all people who originate from muslim nations are.

I hear this all the time, but I don't believe it. However, the more we see of such behavior, the more we tend to categorize.


and also dont forget that the conditions which give way to such brainwashing activites are, where lowly educated, and mostly unemployed people habit. if you exclude a group from society, if you do not give them the opportunuties (Im not saying aid here) and education, you cant expect anything good from them really.

I'll get flamed for this, but I think this is the fault of the French attitude toward life. Not their fault, really. When they say "Make yourself at home. Help yourself", they mean it literally. If they hear nothing, then everything must be OK. Well now they've heard.


and the muslim stereotyping in the events which took place in France is outright wrong.

No harm done here. The majority were muslim. But it's just a matter of a person's initial reaction to a situation. You cannot make everyone step back and look at the big picture in every instance; people just aren't that smart. You'll just give yourself a .ache.



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 01:22 PM
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While the riots may appear to have died down some think it may move to those who favor being radical.





French Fear Riots Might Spur Radicalism
Almost no one believes radical Islam was a trigger for the rioting that began three weeks ago. But experts and authorities fear the social discontent that found an outlet in the rampaging could evolve among a small minority of the rioters into a dangerous form of Islamic militancy.

Many predict the months to come will become a struggle for the soul of these angry communities — with the authorities, Islamic radicals, drug gangs and social welfare groups all vying for influence among troubled youths.

"We will see recruitment opportunities for jihadists because some youths who participated in the riots are going to say 'What's the use of burning cars? ... We have to go on to a higher level,'" said Olivier Roy, one of Europe's most prominent scholars of Islamic society.

"Those people will either turn toward terrorism in France or go to places like Fallujah," the one-time insurgent stronghold in Iraq


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Kind of makes one wonder if Ace was right all along. This may still be far from over if they are correct..



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 02:53 PM
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look what islamic (yes you won't ban me using this word) societies do to women, and you'll understand that they will never ever respect their rights or lives.

sure, some people come to europe to get out of this mess, but the majority is, as always, complacent and will certainly run with the dominant force. you know what this means, don't you?

look, stuff i hear from actual people goes like this: 13yo girl from pakistan / turkey / you name it leads what's considered a normal life, goes on vacation in her country of origin for the first time in years, comes back with, well, PTSDS turns out she's been raped by her uncle, which is a death sentence if her family finds out. why you say?

because her father killed her older sister for the very same thing. yes, it's irrelevant if it was forcible rape, 'honor' > life end of the story. the guy's got away with it, of course.


sure, we should be tolerant, right? and let the victims rot, right?

wrong. by letting them in we accept a certain amount of responsibility, for them and any damage they inflict on us or we inflict on them. murder isn't child's play, the guy needs to go to jail in a hurry. there's a reason we put murderers in jail, and i'll give you a hint, it's not for the sake of revenge.


another account of friendly immigrants: guy (preumably from algeria or tunesia) walks into drugstore with a knife in hand and demands narcotics (!), which they predictably didn't have, so he simply stabs the first person in view (and cuts through an artery in his arm, lots of blood, but no big deal with appropriate treatment, but imagine the victim had had slower reflexes) of course, the perp had been known to the police for 3 months and had a criminal record with more than ten entries, as an asylum seeker for crying out loud. i'd wager i'd have been jailed after the 2nd offense had i tried to pull that off.

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the choice is wether we allow the radical uncivilised portion of these immigrants to treat whoever they perceive as unworthy (women of course and minor children, but i guess with more self confidence, the range of potential targets will widen) like # and let them kill a few of them if they feel like it OR find ways to stop it.

throwing them all out, as radical as it is, would (make no mistake!), solve the problem, but it's not an option in peacetime, so it's the f*cking duty of the politcal system, which created the problem in the first place, to come up with solutions. first and foremost, criminal elements have to be persecuted without political intervention by 'human rights' groups who abuse their power to help their pet minorities at any cost while they couldn't care less if some (native) hobo freezes to death in the winter (or an entire family, thrown out of their house, as happend a few years ago, froze to death in their car, of course, noone cared).


it's really that simple, what's happening in 'eurabia' is a disaster in the making, i wish people weren't running around with blinders firmly attached. leaving the victims to hang out to dry will destroy our societies, and quickly, can't you see that?



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 03:29 PM
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Have a look at this. I suggest you look up table 8.7, 8.10.

The table I displayed above was arrests, which was used to show the difference in statistics. Primarily how blacks and asians are arrested more often than white people.

I then suggest you look at table a, here. Guess what guys and dolls, Asian's make up 3.1% of the prison population and make up 4.7% of the whole population.

I can go on all day as well, as how Russian immigrants, etc, are counted as 'white' by most Government statistics and teh population. Which really doesn't help generate a clear picture of over-all crime, as well as how black people are more likely to end up in prison compaired to white people on the same crime.

However, till the new Government statistics come out displaying crime by white-british people, apart from white-european, it someone jades the whole crime statistics. In fact, the British Government is very good at keeping pieces of information apart, such as gender and ethnicity and also the full statistics on our prisons.



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by Odium

I then suggest you look at table a, here. Guess what guys and dolls, Asian's make up 3.1% of the prison population and make up 4.7% of the whole population.


If you look at prison receptions, meaning those who were sent to prison, it's 4.8% but they probably are given less time in prison than blacks or 'others' and that's why they are only 3.1% of the prison poulation.

If you look at table 9.7 though you'll see something pretty interesting.


Ethnicity and religion of prisoners

In February 2003, Christianity was the most common religion for both White prisoners (63%) and Black prisoners (53%).
Islam was the most common religion for Asian prisoners (71%)


Surely more than 63% of white males and 53% of black males in Britain are Christian.
Does anyone know what percentage of 'Asians' in Britain are Pakistani versus Indian or Bengali? Is it over 70%?



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 04:10 PM
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AceOfBase, if I was you I'd be a lot more interested in the trend of Chinese people and the buddhists have a 435% increase in the amount of people in prison between 1993 and 2003... 435%



8.21 The largest group of prisoners was Anglican, who formed 35 per cent of the prison population. Roman Catholics accounted for 17 per cent and Muslims 8 per cent. Buddhists and Sikhs each accounted for around one per cent. Thirty-one per cent of prisoners had no religious affiliation.



CIA: Factbook
Religions:
Christian (Anglican, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist) 71.6%, Muslim 2.7%, Hindu 1%, other 1.6%, unspecified or none 23.1% (2001 census)


Last I checked Muslim's account for between 3 and 8% of the British Religions Groups. Many people do not openly state their Religion on a consensus as it is hard for Non-English Speaking/First Generation Immigrants to understand. Among many other problems.

You also have to remember that many of those Muslim's who are in prison are in relation to terrorism and were 'kept' in Prison and later on released. It is why the statistics show them as having a higher percentage in the initial stages.

More are arrested for terrorism, more end up being refused bail, very few end up in jail. Out of the 900 arrested, I think only 3 have been convicted...



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Odium
I then suggest you look at table a, here. Guess what guys and dolls, Asian's make up 3.1% of the prison population and make up 4.7% of the whole population.


OK, the reason for the low number of Christians in that last report is because many people listed 'no religion'.

I found another report specifically on religion in prisons.



Religion in Prisons 1999 and 2000

In 2000, the largest group of prison inmates were Anglicans, who formed 39% of the prison population. Next in size was the group with No religion (32%), followed by Roman Catholics at 17% and Muslims at 7% of the prison population. Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs each accounted for around a half of one percent of the population.


According to the CIA World Factbook, muslims are 2.7% of the general population but yet they are 7% of the prison population.



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