originally posted by XyZeR
The ammount of MISinformed people voicing their "oppinion " in this thread is mindboggling, and scary ! Some obviously Islamofobe rasist people
I totally second that, and the similarity of the mis-informed opinions here in this thread points out that the media in those parts is really doing
heck of a job, otherwise I would think that there is something wrong with the people here but I guess we can blame the media instead for a more civil
Car of a close relative of mine got burned in these events and a friend almost got attacked by the "scum". ( I read a couple of posts here which
referred to the rioting youth as Muslim scum, people who are scum, people who are called scum, etc. so I will keep that term so that it will be more
comprehensible for you)
the car that got burned,and has been replaced the day after, by the insurance without problem, as Im sure all the other burnt cars also are. even
though she had his car burnt down by these "scum" she was lot more civil than the ones here who has no experience or inside knowledge on the events
besides what their media filters out to them or beyond their conditioning.
first, the rioting people are not "Muslim rioters", even though it is true that the majority of the rioters practice Islam, This riot is not a
Religion driven riot. The rioters include Christian and or Buddhists even. The rioters are not shouting in the streets "Allah-u Akbar" and waving
Ak-47s. not to forget also a great number of rioters are black. the drive behind this riot is racial discrimination. and this discrimination covers
the people from black or arab descent. the majority of rioters are 2nd to 4rd generation immigrants which means if you would pick a random rioter both
himself and his father and his grandfather would be born in France as a French. yet he would carry a non French name or Surname. if you watched the
interviews you would recall one of the "scum" saying" if your name is Kerim your job application will be rejected without reason."
the reason for this riot is not the kids that died who were allegedly chased by the police, that was a straw. the conditions in the parts where this
"scum" lives is not much different from the conditions of blacks living in USA in sixties in terms of police control. for instance it is not unusual
in these parts where one ID control takes for hours and the "scum" frequently gets these ID controls because of their ethnicity. Im sure that the
9/11 also effected the aproach to these "scum"s ethnicity negatively. The funny thing is the French people are themselves accepting that there is
racial discrimination in France directed to these "scum". They may not like the immigrants but they are no fools, they can see what has been done
and what was not.
You will remember the 3 separate fires(if Im not mistaken there were 3 in Paris) which took place at the buildings where the immigrants resided. I
dont think anyone could be naive enough to think these fires were coincidence.
About Nicolas Sarkozy
if you didnt know, he is also an immigrant from Hungary. Ironic yet today he based his election campaign onto the strategy of driving the "scum"
(immigrants) out. He was one of the main supporters of the act in the cabinet three years ago which cut the funding for the youth programs, which
will be revitalized after this riot by the way. he, under the name of Interior Minister, publicly called a Group of French people "scum" who come
from different ethnicity but notheless French and born French who rioted with the reason that they are being threated as garbage and, in the first
days of a riot which in fact could be much softer if he did not, yet this action aided him in the process of his election campaign greatly, and as it
seems he even gained voters from overseas. its quite ridiculous, a group of a society riot with the reason that they are being threated as scum, and
the interior minister calls them "scum" on TV in response to this. plus there is the unbelievable threat he made, he said he will deport the
rioters, no matter if they have the national status or not. I mean how can you deport one who is born as a French whose father was born as a French to
homeland? later this threat was naturally softened to only include those who is not French by National status. yet with this threat he manifested his
The riots are the way of the French soft or not, it is how the country got its freedom, how the weekly work hours got lessened to 36 hours, and there
are lots of examples. this is how it works in France yet mostly these were peaceful, unfortunately this one was not. even though I also see that there
is temperance in the method they picked, burning cars. better than burning houses, or sacking stores, raiding Police HQ, planting bombs, killing
civilians. yet there is a case where a 67 year old man was beaten to death, now that is what I call real scum the people who did that were worthless
piece of well, in a time of riot, killing an old man just because there are no cops around, now that is messed up. but there is maniacs in every
society. yet the way they chose is to burn cars, which only troubles insurance companies mostly. also there are cases where stores are sacked etc. but
obviously if 10.000 cars were burned that you can say this was the way they chose to go. I also confirm this from a friend who got almost attacked by
the rioters, the rioters are very very angry.
would it be better if it could be a peaceful protest with banners saying" we are not scum, we are people", do you think it would produce the results
or gather the attention that is necessary to produce results. I dont know but it would be much more better if it did not come to this and if it was
maybe you will be shocked but in some way I admire such events, it be the farmers protesting or immigrant youth as in this case, this shows me that
the people have still got the balls to oppose the governments when needed, and are conscious that the governments are there to serve people not the
other way around. I hope France doesnt get Americanized in this context.
in the other hand I could write another couple of paragraphs about how great is the aids and rights that France provides to its people and how they
care about their citizens, yet as it is obvious from the events it comes to "all people are equal but some are more equal than others", simply the
application of some rights and aids fail for the non-whites.
I had other things to add but it got so long, simply France needs to change its immigration policies, Im sure they practice the joys of working force
flowing to the country but if this will continue she has to make sure the ones taken in get the proper education and chances. from a tourist point of
view it may seem that immigrants are just invading the country yet what people dont realize is they greatly contribute to workforce thus the economy
and life standards.
and also it is not the French (past)immigrants the europe should worry about, it is the lowly educated Radical Religious Turks in Germany, I tell you
this, they are screwed beyond recognition( talking about the Radical Religious ones there), Germany couldnt fully grasp it in time, they sucked
immigrants for the workforce, yet the group that formed up in there is a brainwashing factory, people go there and turn black-scarf in one week.
Germany allowed this under religious freedom, but it was a mistake, they are not even that free in TR, that is also why most radicals are migrating
there, because it is more "Religiously Free" there. Germany also should make sure the working force and their families get the necessary education
and adaptation, for instance the head of the Radical Muslims there, Kaplan is just got deported and delivered to TR this year even though he is
declared criminal in TR for both funding shady groups and arranging several assassinations a decade ago.
I can say that these are mostly sourced from the Immigration policies of these countries, and their attitudes towards the immigrants. Arggh I can
some links: (not sources, links)
BBC - Have Your
you can find first hand entries here by French here, You will generally see a big gap between what the people from US say and what French
TimesOnline Opinion Article
with good info