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NEWS: Paris Riots Spread To Twenty Suburbs

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posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
Everything happens for a reason and the reason for French racism towards the muslims may be due to the actions of the muslims.

It's not a chicken or egg question, the answer to which came first is very clear: french racism towards muslims or (North) Africans in general.




posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by Souljah
Everything Happens for a Reason - and the Reason here is NOT, that they are Radical Islamists.
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You always GET what you GIVE - and LOOK what the French have given these People.


Look at what the Muslims have given the French people who allowed them into their country. Violence and racism against the native population. Everything happens for a reason and the reason for French racism towards the muslims may be due to the actions of the muslims.

[edit on 7-11-2005 by AceOfBase]


In my country Ace Of base, i would sue you for rasism, and the repeated generalisation of minority groups.

Yu and you deluded way of thinking WANT nothing more then this to be Mulsim riots . Please give me the proof that you base you "idea's" on about these youths beeing 100% practicing Muslims. (most are of the youths are of african descent and are christian by education....)

Real muslims are still celebrating the end of rammadan, they wouldn't be out rioting.
3 major Iman's in the Paris region just spoke out a FATWA against anyone taking part in these riots, how do you explain that ?

Your posts just reek of pure hatred, which obviously cloud your ability to think straight and in a healthy way.

Your solution : to have them shot, deported (which clearly demonstrates you know NEXT TO NOTHING about the entire situation, these youths are frnech by birth...therefore they cannot be deported, get it), have their mosques burned down,...etc
Sounds to me like you are even more/as extrerme then the ones you hate with all your heart.

Hate is never a solution, yet it is the easiest reflex. It takes more thinking and reason to see the real situation.

You seem to be unaware that thousands of Algerian and Morrocan and former French Colonial territories in Africa immigrants were brought into france to work the "dirty jobs" in the Coalmines of the Borinage in the 50-60ies. When that entire industry collapsed the result was poverty, unemployment boommed among the now french sons and daughtes of those Labor immigrants. they are frnech but feel as if they were 2nd class frnech citizens.

But why do i even bother educating poelpe who views are rusted away in hatred and propaganda and are stuck in the "lets kill'em all that'll sort them out attitude, which has never solved anything.

Stop the hate poeple, think !



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
Look at what the Muslims have given the French people who allowed them into their country. Violence and racism against the native population. Everything happens for a reason and the reason for French racism towards the muslims may be due to the actions of the muslims.

You just don't get it Ace.

Look at the bigger Picture - not the Detail that you like most and that fits your story most.

They allowed them in their country to work the most misreable jobs for the money that no WHITE guy wants. And when they want to get a better job and tell their name and where they come from - and you know that is what everybody likes, a better JOB, a better PAY and a better LIFE, maybe outside the Ghetto - they simply turn one eye blind and say they have got no more vacancy. No more room. Sorry. You will just have to work that miserable job for the rest of your life. No Future. Sorry.

That's what France has given them.

And this is the way they are saying "Thank You".

I wonder where is all the CRITISM of the French Goverment, which was sooooooo Heavy when somebody mentioned War on Terror and France, and how Chirac denied US president. Everybody was so Keen to Blame the French Goverment, they banned the French Fries and the French Wine and almost called them Terrorist Lovers. And today they are HEROES?

PLEASE!

Stop the Hypocrisy!



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
You are in denial and are purposely not seeing the ethnicity of the rioters if you claim you don't have proof they are muslims.

I only know that they are immigrants. Obviously this would include moslems and christians and other creeds. Moslem is not another word for immigrant.. you seem to be insisting that they are all moslem purely because they are violent. The press also says 'north african' but seeing as people don't hate them as much and can't pin their religion we'll just ignore that part.

The riots are over the deaths of two muslim boys from muslim neighborhoods. The neighborhoods where the riots initially started all had a muslim majority.

It's strange that I haven't seen any reports of these rioters screaming 'jihad'. Are you defining their actions as a result of their religion or defining them by the religion they happen to be?

Do you think Christian rioters set fire to the church?
I think you know better than that. It was muslims.

Simply poor teenagers running amuk and really pissed off. Their reasons are apperently because there is 50% unemployment.. not because they're anti christian. It also may've been a church where christian immigrants attended.

BTW, why did you save your outrage for me, for merely suggesting that a mosque be burned, when you don't show and outrage for the church that really was burned?

'Merely suggesting'? Yeah I know it was just an innocent comment..


I do not in any way condone the riots.. neither do I condone racism, biggotry or vigilanti attitudes. I agree the criminals themselves should be charged.. but innocent moslems should not be punnished purely because people have an itch to scratch and can't catch the 'baddies'.
Mindless violence doesn't solve violence.

[edit on 7-11-2005 by riley]



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
ANY Religion and ANY Race would stand up for their Rights in this case - so I ask you Please, to stop pointing fingers at the Muslim Community, because YOU KNOW, that everybody would do the same in their Place.


They would not Souljah. You try to give them an excuse for this violence because you agree with violence to achieve your goals like some other people around here, but it is not right.

It is true that the immigration laws of socialist countries sucks. This is nothing new. My parents and I had to live in a plastic attic for a long while, including in the colds winters of Spain, because my parents couldn't afford better appartments because immigrants that are not citizens of socialist countries, do not have a right to jobs. They don't have permits to work in these countries period.

In the case of second generation kids, they can move somewhere else and get jobs, because they are French.

The only way my parents could make money was working for a Chinese magnate who sucked them dry and paid them way below the living standards. This happens to a lot of people. I even remember seeing and meeting families of Immigrants who were living under bridges in Spain because they couldn't find jobs.

Nobody would give them jobs because it is illegal to give jobs to immigrants who are not citizens in countries such as Spain, France, etc.

But "decent people" don't resort to violence because of this. Not the sort of violence these people in France and other countries are using.

Decent people don't resort to burning cars or buses "with people inside." They don't resort to shooting at the police or firefighters, and they surely don't resort to raping women because they see them as easy.



Originally posted by Souljah
I wonder if anyone has tried to Imagine how it is in their Shoes.


I don't have to imagine, like Skadi doesn't have to imagine, like so many others don't have to imagine, because "we have been there." There is no excuse for what these kids are doing, PERIOD.



Originally posted by Souljah
You think the Main Reason for these Riots is the fact that these Kids are Bored?

WRONG.

They have had Enough of Police Racism and Brutality.

They have had Enough of Isolation.


These kids had enough of the police going after them for the crimes they keep committing, that's the reason why they are rioting. They want to have a green light to commit any crime they want to.

Let's see some of the past and present crimes these youths are rioting about, and let's see why the police is so tough on them..

Let's see what I can find when I do a search in google using "rapes in France" or "Crimes in France."



The New French Revolution


For almost half a century, Europe has depended on imported labor to do the kind of menial jobs its own people don't want to do -- so much so that, today, the population of France is almost 10 percent Muslim.

They are the descendants of Algerian, Moroccan and Tunisian workers who came from France's ex-colonies.

Now, many of them live in neglected public housing projects, ruled by violent gangs and increasingly susceptible to Islamic fundamentalism.

When people talk about ghettos in France, they're talking about high-rise complexes that have been built far away from the city center to house African and Arab immigrants.

Just saying you live in the neighborhood is enough to get your job application thrown in the garbage. And the unemployment amongst young people is four times the national average.

With little hope of making it outside the projects, many of these young men try to dominate their own neighborhoods, resorting to violence, especially against young women.

They rule gangland style, combined with the male-dominated traditions of the Arab countries they came from. It's gotten so bad that, today, most of the young women only feel safe if they are covered up, or if they stay at home. Girls who want to look just like other French girls are considered provocative, asking for trouble.


Excerpted from.
www.cbsnews.com...


Author: Elaine Sciolino/NYT NYT
Publication: The International Herald Tribune
Date: October 23, 2003

The boys were patient, standing in line and waiting their turn to rape.

Their two victims, girls of 13, were patient as well, never crying out, at least that is what the neighbors said, and enduring the violence and abuse not once, but repeatedly over five months.

That was three years ago. Late last month, 10 young men, now ranging in age from 18 to 21, were convicted of rape in a closed courtroom in nearby Evry and sentenced to prison terms ranging from three to five years. Seven others will go on trial in November. The fact that they are being brought to justice at all is highly unusual.

The phenomenon of gang rape in France has become banal. It occurs - how often is unknown - in the concrete wastelands built as cheap housing for immigrants on the outskirts of France's big cities. Here, according to sociologists and prosecutors, teenage boys, many of them loosely organized into gangs, prey on neighborhood girls.

Many of the boys are raised in closed, traditional families and are hopelessly confused or ignorant about sex; others are simply street toughs. In this world, women enjoy little respect; often girls who appear weak, or who wear tight-fitting clothing or go out unaccompanied by their fathers or brothers are considered fair game.

To avoid trouble, many girls of the projects have taken to wearing loose-fitting jogging clothes and hidden themselves behind domineering fathers or brothers; others have organized themselves into their own gangs. Many of the Muslim girls have donned head scarves - more for protection than out of religious conviction.


Excerpted form.
www.hvk.org...

Let's also see if this is happening only in France.

The next search that i did I looked for "Rapes in France 2005" this is what came up.

www.google.ca...

Notice that I did not put in Muslim or immigrant in the search.


Sunday, February 20, 2005
Muslim Rape Epidemic in Sweden and Norway - Authorities Look the Other Way.

Numbers released in January 2005 indicate a sharp rise in the number of rape charges in Malmö, Sweden’s third largest city:

Thomas Anderberg, responsible for statistics at the Malmö Police, says there was a doubling of the number of reported rapes by ambush in 2004, following what was already a decade of steadily increasing numbers of sexual crimes. - I think that’s great news, says Anna Gustafsson, head of the Domestic Violence Unit at the Malmö Police. She suggests that the increase is due to the fact that women who otherwise wouldn’t press charges for rape now choose to contact the police.


In other words, Gustafsson claims that we are dealing with a “technical” increase, not a real one. However, national statistics reveal that reported rapes against children have almost doubled in Sweden during the past ten years:

According to Swedish Radio on Tuesday, statistics from Sweden’s National Council for Crime Prevention show that the number of reported rapes against children is on the rise. The figures have nearly doubled in the last ten years: 467 rapes against children under the age of 15 were reported in 2004 compared with 258 in 1995. Legal proceedings continue this week in a case involving a 13 year old girl from Motala who was said to have been subjected to a group rape by four men. (Note: These four men were Kurdish Muslims, who raped the girl for hours and even took photos of doing so)
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Muslim rape concern

Alarmed at last week's police statistics, which revealed that in 68% of all rapes committed this year the perpetrator was from an ethnic minority, leading Muslim organisations have now formed an alliance to fight the ever-growing problem of young second and third-generation immigrants involved in rape cases against young Danish girls.

As Robert Spencer has demonstrated, rape can indeed be linked to Islamic teachings of Jihad, and even to the example of Muhammad himself, his Sunna. Above all, it is connected to Islamic notions of the role of women in society, and their behaviour in the public sphere. An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are "asking for rape." Apparently, he isn’t the only Muslim in Europe to think this way:


Excerpted from.
fjordman.blogspot.com...

The following is a link about the present riots in France.


France hit by a burning rage
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Trouble was reported in Strasbourg, in eastern France, Rennes, Rouen and Lille in the northwest and Nice, Toulouse and Avignon in the south. In the Paris region, two nurseries, one in Yvelines and another in Bretigny-sur-Orge, were set on fire on Friday night along with a school in Seine-et-Marne.

In Meaux, a town east of the capital, youths threw Molotov cocktails at paramedics, whose patient was taken to hospital under police escort.
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“Without question what is taking place bears all the hallmarks of being co-ordinated,” Yves Bot, the Paris public prosecutor, said yesterday. “The way things are organised is in response to a strategy, with mobile tactics employed by youths who turn up on scooters, throw a lighted bottle at a vehicle and then leave.”

France has often tried to ignore the malaise in what police call “sensitive districts” or, collectively, “the zone”, a world far removed from the picturesque French tourist trail of restaurants, wine and historic monuments.

In these underprivileged pockets the burning of cars on a Saturday night is for many young men a popular sport and rite of passage that seldom makes news. According to one recent estimate, about 30 cars are set on fire every Saturday night in suburbs across France.

The sheer scale of last week’s clashes, however, made them difficult to ignore, particularly with the government acknowledging that it might deploy troops to prevent gangs from marauding through the affluent heart of Paris, a chilling prospect for a city that has come to regard its burgeoning immigrant community on the other side of the ring road as the barbarians at the gate.


Excerpted from.
www.timesonline.co.uk...




Originally posted by Souljah

Would YOU like to be called Scum or Vermin?


Would YOU like being burned inside a bus, or being shot at for being a paramedic or a firefighter or a police officer?.....


Originally posted by Souljah
And I already know what the Majority of YOU is going to say right now:

"That's because they ARE!"

At times like this, think about, how would you react if was in their position.

Stop for a Second and Think.


I know what you will say, because you always do the same.... You always try to give excuses for violent actions Souljah..... always....


Originally posted by Souljah
You think MORE Violence is going to stop this?

Wrong - Violence never solves anything.


You think allowing them to continue is going to stop it?.... They have proven for years that they are not going to stop....


Originally posted by Souljah
But hey - it's much easier to just critisize these Youths and laugh at France - the country, that did not want to Invade Iraq is Burning Today.


Islamic extremists have tried to attack France like they did the US and Europe several times.... That should be sending a warning sign to everyone. Even after the government of France, along with ermany, Russia and China, continuously bashed the coalition and kept critizizing the war against terrorism.



European terror suspects got al Qaeda training, sources say
By Sheila MacVicar and Henry Schuster
CNN
Thursday, February 6, 2003 Posted: 8:38 PM EST (0138 GMT)


PARIS, France (CNN) -- Two senior al Qaeda figures helped train the people now suspected of planning chemical and biological attacks in France and the United Kingdom, European intelligence and judicial sources tell CNN.

The information comes after a recent wave of arrests in France, the United Kingdom, Italy and Spain that investigators say helped uncover several cells of Islamic terrorists who had the material to make chemical and biological weapons. And, investigators say, the terrorists were apparently ready to use them. (France, Italy, Spain)

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"They are coming from the same region, most of them are Algerian, trained [in] the same place, in some camps in Afghanistan, and at the same time in Georgia in the Pankisi Gorge. They have the same trainers," said Gilles Leclair, who coordinates anti-terrorism efforts for the French Interior Ministry.

"And it seems, if we can recognize what we found in the searches, that they wanted to start chemical attacks," Leclair told CNN.


Excerpted from.
www.cnn.com...

Do notice that Islamic terrorists included France for their attacks, despite France bashing agaisnt the war on terror.

and france is not the only place. Let's see what is the threat to Spain after they changed to a fully socialist system after the Madrid bombings, and let's see if Islamic terrorists kept their promise they will not attack Spain if they would take their troops out of Iraq.


Threat remains a year after terror attacks in Madrid
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A year has passed since Islamic fundamentalists detonated bomb-laden backpacks on four trains traveling into Madrid, killing Cordero's wife and 190 others and injuring more than 1,400.
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But these successes underscore the threat to Spain and all of Europe as law enforcement scrambles to adapt to a new form of terrorism that appears to be growing here. "The threat from al-Qaeda is the same in Europe as it was on March 11," says Franco Frattini, commissioner for security for the 25-nation European Union.

"We thought we were out of the threat, that we had no threat coming from these groups," he says. "Now, we realize this is a police problem. ... It's more than a police problem, it's a social problem; it's a clash of civilizations."


Excerpted from.
news.orb6.com...

I know all this and whatever evidence i post is not going to matter to you Souljah, you just want to give excuses for people to commit violent acts.



[edit on 7-11-2005 by Muaddib]



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 08:36 AM
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Morning round up of last nights violence.

Violence has now spread to approximately 300 towns, copycat attacks have spread into Brussels Belgian where 5 cars were set ablaze. Unconfirmed reports say it may also have spread to parts of Germany according to CNN. And sadly the first reported death came this morning as authorities said one of the first individuals injured last week has died overnight. (Read the source link for full story as I have used only selected paragraphs rather then just the first three)





Rioting Spreads to 300 Towns in France

Rioting by French youths spread to 300 towns overnight and a man hurt in the violence died of his wounds, the first fatality in 11 days of unrest that has shocked the country, police said Monday.

[...]

Alain Rahmouni, a national police spokesman, said the man who was beaten died at a hospital from injuries sustained in the attack, but he had no immediate details of the victim's age or his attacker.

[...]

Apparent copycat attacks spread outside France for the first time, with five cars torched outside Brussels' main train station, police in the Belgian capital said.



Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 08:48 AM
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For all you believers in peace at any price, this is just the latest historical example that appeasment does not work.

The French have bent over backwards for the muslims - even selling illegal arms to saddam before the war. And letting muslim immigrants pour into their country, no questions asked.

So, what has this gained the french?

Answer: the honor of being the first western european country attacked by the followers of the so-called "religion of peace".


[edit on 11/7/2005 by centurion1211]



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 08:48 AM
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Ok, let put some chill on here folks. Discuss the topic with the decorum that this forum deserves.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 08:52 AM
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does anyone else think this is just happening because of frances last vote against EU Constitution despite Jacques Chiracs position on it? I mean this is way too coordinated for a bunch of disenfranchized youths to pull off.

France Votes against EU constitution CNN



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by NuTroll
does anyone else think this is just happening because of frances last vote against EU Constitution despite Jacques Chiracs position on it? I mean this is way too coordinated for a bunch of disenfranchized youths to pull off.

France Votes against EU constitution CNN


If it would have started all over at the same time, you "could" be right. But this appears to have spread to other cities by rumors. It has taken a while to spread. If it had been more coordinated it would have started all over at the same time.

[edit on 7-11-2005 by Muaddib]



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 09:04 AM
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The French riots have now spread to 300 towns.
This is begining to remind me of Iraq.
IMO, it is time the French nationalguard/army step in to protect citizens from these animals-yes animals.
Gang raping 13 and 14 year old girls makes them animals.

Here is link to current news:

news.yahoo.com...

[edit on 11/7/2005 by mrmonsoon]



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 09:18 AM
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Over a thousand cars on fire...
Gang raping...
Burning handicapped women alive...
Stoning ER operators...
hundreds of Molotov cocktails...



What wonderfull people these "kids" are



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
Now they're setting churches on fire and hitting infants with rocks!


They should burn down a mosque for every church that gets burned and burn down an Islamic school for every school that the muslim scum burn down.


Looks like the pc police got you for giving a personal opinion...
Your comment doesn't deserve a warn imo, your going off the justification; 'eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth'

but you can't say anything on the muslims that hit infants with rocks and burn churches down, or light a handicapped ladies behind on fire because that would be bad.


no they are a nice bunch, we should send them flowers and chocolates, and maybe pay for some psych sessions to try and understand them better.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
and forget that there is anything GOOD in Islam.


Ahhhh ... why don't you 'enlighten' the rest of us, eh?
Tell us of the GOOD in Islam? (NOT from 700 years ago,
tell us what is good NOW) Tell us about women's
rights in Islam. Tell us all about it ...


That's what France has given them.

Hey Souljah ... France doesn't have to 'give' them anything.
These people came from other countries where conditions
are much worse. They go to France and they are supposed
to CONTRIBUTE to that country ... not drag it down to the
same level that they left. No one has an obligation to give
another person a free ride in this world. In the past, when
Asians came to America they integrated, worked hard, and
overcame difficulties. Much the same with the Irish and
the Italians. For the most part, these ethnic groups are now
part of the fabric of America - holding their customs and
traditions - and yet bonding with America as a whole and
working hard. THAT is what the muslims in France must do.
Yet they refuse to. All this rioting, killing, and destroying property
will get them nowhere as far as becoming a peaceful co-exhisting
part of France ... unless they intend to take it over and make it
a Muslim country. Then they are well on their way.


MUADDIB -
You have voted Muaddib for the Way Above Top Secret award.
You have one more vote left for this month.

STUMASON -
You have voted stumason for the Way Above Top Secret award.
You have used all of your votes for this month.

CENTURIAN -
If I had any more votes, you'd get one too!
You are 100% correct. The appeasement policy
of France doesn't work. Wide open immigration
(legal and illegal) doesn't work. Take note
America! Close our borders!



[edit on 11/7/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 10:29 AM
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news.independent.co.uk...

Chirac vows to restore order.
Man that's comical.
What's he going to do? Appease them with $$$?
People are dead. Millions in $$$ lost to average
citizens. I can't wait to see his 'solution'.


[edit on 11/7/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
news.independent.co.uk...


This is brilliant:



LIBERTÉ? French Muslims banned from wearing headscarves in school.
ÉGALITÉ? France's non-whites twice as likely to be unemployed.
FRATERNITÉ? French government admits integration policies have failed.
RÉALITÉ: Riots erupt for eleventh night.


Sums it up pretty well, don't you think?



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 10:35 AM
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Ahhhhhh DJ .. the question remains ... WHY are non-whites
more likely to be unemployed in France? Is it because of
the (well documented) SELF imposed separation that the Muslims
want from the rest of the people of the country, or is it because
the French (what there is left of the native population)
don't want to hire muslims? And if it's because they don't
want to hire them, why? Racism? Or is it because they
don't trust them? (considering the riots ... looks like they
might not trust them for good reason).



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 10:35 AM
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The # really hit the fan on this one...

I'll tell you what - a few more instances like this, with a little escalation in intensity, and I could really see some severe actions taken by native Europeans, such as shipping a great majority of these people out of their nations.



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 10:43 AM
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Muaddib,

I see you have a Problem with Islam too - along with others here.

You are trying REALLY hard to make everything look like its their fault.

They live in France, which has a Motto called:

Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood.

Hmmmm, I FAIL to see any of those THREE in Effect in the Ghettos that the French Society Created.

These Suburbs are actually Ethnic Ghettos, much like Jews were confined to a special place in the City and kep there across Europe in the Old Days, remember?

EQUALITY?

The "North African" male candidate received five times fewer invitations than his white counterpart. What Equality? Where?

Want Jobs? Equal Opportunites? Well, YOU can't get it.



In Villetaneuse, just North of Paris, where the projects are almost entirely inhabited by immigrant-descended families, government funding cuts have closed a number of job-training institutes.

"The kids learn all the French republican values such as equality in school, and then they find in practice that it's an illusion," says Ms. Bouzar, who was recently named one of Time magazine's 50 "European Heroes" as a role model for those seeking to be good Muslims and good French citizens. "There is an enormous gap between theory and practice."

www.csmonitor.com...

It is as if they are NOT livig in the Same Country, in the same Universe, in the Same City. They are Alienated and I am really amazed that these Riots did not happen Sooner then this.

Lets check the fundamental Document of the French Revolution, the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen:

(From Article VI) – "All the citizens, being equal in [the eyes of the law], are equally admissible to all public dignities, places, and employments, according to their capacity and without distinction other than that of their virtues and of their talents."

en.wikipedia.org...

Learned ANYTHING?

Hmmmmm, what - this Declaration does not APPLY to Muslims?

They DO NOT have the same Public Dignites, Employments according to their Capacity?

Why Not, huh?

"I teach them that the state is for everybody, that it treats everybody the same," says Taïb Ben Thabet, who has been a social worker in the projects north of Paris for 35 years. "But what credibility do I have when everything I say is contradicted by experience? The kids say it's all lies."

So, what to do?

40 years of Government Policy Have CAUSED the spreading Violence and "lifted the lid on an ugly stew of Poverty, Discrimination, and Desperation amongst immigrant-descended families that most French citizens have long preferred to ignore."

Where do you think these Kids go then - which Road do they take?

They start selling Drugs to Survive, they start to go down the Road of Crime, which was ALWAYS most present in the Poorest Areas of the City. The Goverment sure does not care about them - why should they care about the Goverment and what they have to say?

I have to admnit, you sure have collected a nice set of Articles to proove your speech and your anti-muslim agenda, which has been shown a number of times.

You failed to MENTION THIS FACTS:



An Ethiopian national died during forcible deportation. There were frequent reports of ill-treatment of foreign nationals in holding areas within airports. Complaints about race-related police ill-treatment rose, notably in Paris. Police officers were under investigation for the collective rape of sex workers. In a landmark decision, France’s highest court, the Court of Cassation, restricted the use of weapons by the national gendarmerie. Detainees continued to face lengthy provisional detention, and seriously ill detainees or convicted prisoners continued to be held in conditions that raised fears for their physical or mental integrity. Prison conditions were aggravated by serious overcrowding. There were acts of racist violence against members of Jewish and Arab communities, as well as other Muslim groups.

- Deaths during forcible deportation

- Ill-treatment in border areas

- Police ill-treatment in Paris:

In February the Correctional Court of Paris threw out charges brought in December 2002 by National Police officers against Omar Baha, a French national of Algerian origin, who had been held in extended custody on charges of “incitement to riot”, “insulting behaviour” and “resisting arrest”. Omar Baha had allegedly been ill-treated by police officers – sustaining a broken nose – during an identity check which he had witnessed and in which he had intervened. He was reportedly struck on the nose with the end of a gas canister and beaten by three officers after he reminded them of a recent public statement by the Minister of the Interior that police abuses would not be tolerated.

- Violence against foreign women

Three police officers of the 7th section of the Compagnie républicaine de sécurité (CRS), a special police unit, in Deuil-la-Barre (Val-d’Oise) were detained after being placed by the IGS under investigation for the collective rape of several women in April. One woman was reportedly abducted by officers who ordered her to accompany them to the police station because her papers were not in order, but instead took her to a parking lot near the Stade de France sports stadium where she was allegedly raped. Two other women, Albanian and Lithuanian nationals, were then allegedly raped by the same officers. One woman noted the registration number of the patrol car. It was anticipated that other officers would be drawn into the investigation.

- Ill prisoners

- Prison conditions

- Racist attacks

...just to name a few!

www.web.amnesty.org...

Sure NICE WAY to Treat Immgrants, ey?

Police who RAPE Foreign Women?

Geee, now thats a Great Role Model for the Kids of the French Ghettos, ey?

Furthermore, something that you "skipped":



RESPECT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS

c. Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment

The law prohibits such practices; however, there were occasional reports that law enforcement officers used excessive force. The Inspector General of the National Police received 469 registered complaints about illegitimate police violence during the first 11 months of the year, down from 500 during the same period in 2003. There were 59 confirmed cases of police violence, compared to 65 in the previous year. Disciplinary actions against police officers who committed infractions increased compared with previous years, with 157 police officers removed from the service for impropriety as opposed to 128 in 2003 and 94 in 2002. There were 2,561 lesser punishments given for a variety of infractions, an increase compared with 2,215 recorded the previous year. The decrease in complaints and increase in disciplinary action has been attributed to an emphasis on professional ethics within the Interior Ministry.

In its annual report for 2003, the National Commission on the Conduct of Police and Security Forces cited "significant breaches" by those involved in public security and an increase in complaint of police abuse and violence. The number of cases submitted to court increased from 39 in 2002 to 70 in 2003. Law enforcement representatives blamed lack of training for young officers and increasing ratios of inexperienced officers to veteran leaders for the rising numbers.


www.state.gov...

And lets go to the Rape Topic, for which you Blame the Muslim Comunity, again:



Child rape trial opens in France

Seventeen people have gone on trial in northern France on charges of gang raping 18 children, aged three to 12, over a period of five years.

The six women and 11 men have also been charged with "rape with torture" and "rape with barbaric acts". Some of their own children were named as victims.

The alleged incidents, which have shocked France, happened in Outreau, near the port of Boulogne-sur-Mer.

Fourteen of the defendants, aged 24 to 67, deny any involvement.

The case came to the attention of prosecutors in December 2000, when social services alerted them to the possible sexual abuse committed by an unemployed couple against their own four children, AFP news agency reported.

The children, once they had been placed in foster care, told investigators they had been fondled, raped, coerced into performing sex acts and forced to watch pornographic films.

In 2001, other members of the alleged ring, including a bailiff and his wife, a taxi driver and a priest, were placed under investigation.

Twenty people were initially arrested in connection with the alleged paedophile network.

news.bbc.co.uk...


ISLAM is NOT the ROOT of all EVIL, you know...



posted on Nov, 7 2005 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
... in the Ghettos that the French Society Created.


...... that the Muslim immigrants created and continually uphold.

You still don't understand. The muslims WANT to be separate.
They don't want to integrate. If they are in 'ghettos' ... it's
because they put themselves there.



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