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Islamic Rioting in France

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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 11:47 AM
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According to Souljah's assessment the Asian's are economically and more politically well off. You have to understand the Muslim community is the poorest and most abused so they are the ones who have the right to riot and cause destruction.

[edit on 5-11-2005 by CogitoErgoSum1]




posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by CogitoErgoSum1
. . . so they are the ones who have the right to riot and cause destruction.



Is that in the Constitution, or in the Rights of Man, or in French Law, or the U.N. Charter???

I would vote you "way below," if I could.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by CogitoErgoSum1
According to Souljah's assessment the Asian's are economically and more politically well off. You have to understand the Muslim community is the poorest and most abused so they are the ones who have the right to riot and cause destruction.

[edit on 5-11-2005 by CogitoErgoSum1]


So what's the solution? It is easy to identify the problem, but fixing it is a lot tougher.

How do you make the muslim community more prosperous?



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by dr_strangecraft


I would vote you "way below," if I could.


Clearly you've read none of this thread......and have no sense of sarcasm.

[edit on 5-11-2005 by CogitoErgoSum1]



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 11:58 AM
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Why do they need to be more prosperous to be peaceful? I believe the solution takes time and understanding. Things just don’t change overnight.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 12:09 PM
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I know now that community is burned down they can have force integration and start the dance all over again.

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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah
FRANCH Goverment and Authorities did IGNORED the problem of Immigrats living in Suburbs.....


What problems.....the same problems that immigrants like my whole family had living in the worst areas of New York City when they first came here. My family had no aid or welfare from the government 30 years ago. They came to the USA and did two things:

1) GOT A JOB EVEN THOUGH IT WAS THE WORST OF THE WORST JOBS THAT NO ONE WANTED.

2) STARTED AND TRIED TO LEARN THE COMMON ENGLISH LANGUAGE IN THE USA.


Their lives turned out all right. Even though they had no money for food at times you didnt see them rob for food never mind riot because they were unhappy.


This rioting has to stop!
It is sick!!!

-Reason



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by RK_Pr0t0c0l
So what's the solution? It is easy to identify the problem, but fixing it is a lot tougher.

How do you make the muslim community more prosperous?


Good point, the only way for these North African Muslims to make their communities in France more prosperous, is to change themselves.

Im sorry to say, but most Muslim communites in Europe and The Middle East are not very inviting to outside investors. History shows that Muslim communities are too violent and lack self-control, which is very risky for investors....and thats where the high unemployment numbers kicks in. Look at what happened in Indonesia when Muslims attacked Chinese owned businesses....the Chinese did not rebuild, they simply moved their factories somewhere else and now Indonesia is hurting bigtime.

These immigrants have to change to make their communites more prosperous. That means accepting blame for their actions, cleaning up their own community and reaching out to show their neighborhoods are open for business.

Until then, this is all they can look forward to is more of the same.

Maximu§

pS: Reason, my family was also dirt poor and my Dad worked at a corner fruit stand to put us thru school and they never rioted.




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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by paranoia
This thread has turned utterly racist and digsusting. I would vote for it to be locked.


would that change anything? nope, these riots gave answers to questions noone asked, i don't care who's fault it is, i don't care if people think 'being neglected by gov't' (ie. not enough handouts) justifies torching your neighbourhood.

the lefty euro community encouraged an influx of millions of immigrants who are apparently more and more disconnected from society, so, multiculturalism is failing in a big way, and all we see are attempts to intimidate and censor - lock the thread, good idea so we all know when we're right! right?


deny it all you want, due to serious and omnipresent racism allegations, the indigenous people were threatened into submission, criticism was and still is not allowed, but such a policy did not intimidate militant secluded minorities, of course, it encouraged them, France and Denmark (and probably some other countries the media conveniently forgot about) are now reaping the rewards.

Denmark: viking-observer.blogspot.com...

in fact, the people of Europe are reaping what their rulers chose to wantonly seed, cultural and racial conflict. the killer of Theo van Gogh, for example, you really want to believe his fellow immigrants weren't cheering for this 'tough guy' and his 'principles'?!

it's simple if the minorities don't want violence commited by their brethren, they must neither protect nor support them (which, they do of course), Talk Is Cheap, regretting when the camera is near whilegiggling all the way home doesn't cut it.

the state protects them for now, since you can rest assured that anybody defending his property or life will immediately be cracked down upon (racist, etc,) by the authorities and the media, if applicable, but the more the states show their true charakter, the more people will understand which problem they've got to solve first. surveillance state or not, cameras don't stop bullets, do they?

the real shame behind all of this is that the entire ordeal - which harms both, immigrants and natives - was brought about by short sighted greed of a few lobbyists who wanted labor cost another cent down, citing the 'demographic gap' and whatnot, well if you keep the demand low supply won't happen, will it? social engineering at its finest, all for nothing.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 03:02 PM
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Another factor that is to blame is socalists economic practises, if you give someone something for nothing they will always want more and they will figure if they can get stuff for free than it's best not to work unless the job and pay is really sweet. This is what has caused France to be in the state it is now with such high unemployment and sadly they are probably going to keep going down that road unless they can do reform that's going to be very unpopular with those on welfare. France currently spends a whooping 18% of it's GPD (6th highest in the world, Denmark is the 4th highest) on social programs. High taxes and low incentives do not create a productive society.

www.nationmaster.com...

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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by Long Lance
the lefty euro community encouraged an influx of millions of immigrants who are apparently more and more disconnected from society, so, multiculturalism is failing in a big way


- You'll be able to back that claim up, right?
I don't think so.

Perhaps you might consider the whole issue of Empire and the effects that had on the whole matter of immigration and ethnicity in the various European countries.

The truth is 'Muslims in Europe' today has nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with the old imperial Empires.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
- You'll be able to back that claim up, right?
I don't think so.


I think that's pretty self-evident, between these Paris riots and the London bombings.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
I think that's pretty self-evident, between these Paris riots and the London bombings.


- The Paris riots are about inequality of opportunity IMO (and are not being done by every Muslim there) and the London bombings tell little or nothing about all of the Muslims in the UK.

His comment refers to an EU that was responsible for bringing millions of immigrants/Muslims into Europe.

That is just ignorant anti-EU nonsense and about as wrong as it is possible to be.

[edit on 5-11-2005 by sminkeypinkey]



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 03:36 PM
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Sminkey, I'm just saying I agree that the U.S. "melting pot" approach to immigration has proven to be far more effective than the European multicultural approach.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 03:54 PM
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Fair enough.

I suppose it helps enormously when a huge chunk of your population are all fairly recent immigrants.

(This is actually true of many of Europe too but because the bulk of that immigration is a 'white' to a 'white' area it stands out far less with some compared to others.)



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 05:03 PM
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I was some time ago in France, Lyon to be specific, and saw much closer what I had seen many times before, going from the Paris airports to the city of Paris.
The suburbs are not "tree lined", as I read somewhere. In France, the suburbs are urban deserts, wind-swept inhospitable places, littered with dust and garbage. This atmosphere spills over to Paris itself. You can sense it in the heaviness of the air.
From the point of view of the 2nd and 3rd generations, they must feel like caged animals, as their reactions show. Politicians talk a lot about integration and tolerance, but these people don't want to be integrated. They have their own cultural references and their own way of life.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 07:04 PM
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And about Islam, the riots have nothing to do with religion. They aren't even very conscious acts. They can be somewhat organized, but not consciously elaborate and purposeful. Most of them act by copying others, from the beginning (the two electrocuted ones were copying the escape of others from the police). Remember also that most of these people only get the chance to be threatening in small groups (wannabe gangs). They are also very young and irresponsible. Now, there have been some words by Muslim leaders saying "leave us alone", "do not look too closely at what we are doing", etc. Here is when we see that Islam can have a larger role in the future, and those religious salesmen know it.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 07:50 PM
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If I could vote way above the average dose of bigotry, La Maximus would get my vote along with many others, and even one who masks his in verbosity.

Nowhere in this article is there any reason to believe that these riots were caused by Islamic ethos, nor is there any reason that they will be perpetuated furthmore by it aswell. If anything, this is a mundane situation which has been elected unto the mainstream media to further frustrate the publics angst against the Islamic community.

None of the proponents of deporting these Islamic rioters took into consideration the socio-economic background they have been fostered in, or, if any, information regarding the initial catalyst that turned this into a week long riot. As historicity provides, riots in the past have been spured by very similiar reasons; civil unrest due to political confliction. We see here a riot caused by an incident that involved a governmental faculty and two youths from a low socio-economic background; what we don' see is Islam vs France, and there is absolutely no reason to believe as such.

I think a few posts above me mentioned the sociological implication integration has on different creeds, politicaly and what not, and what strikes me is how we disregard extremely well off communities that seclude themselves from lesser, economicaly succesfull persons and communities. Tell me, how many S classes do you see parked outside run down hoods?

Canada has proven itself perfectly viable in providing a productive forum of multiculuralism which dictates many senior officials in government hailing from the east, to Africa, to the Middle Eastern countries. This ethnic collage in government gives a sense of integrity to minority groups and allows them to respect and be subservient to government intervention in certain praticularities as it is begotten by fellow ethnic minorities.

Luxifero



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by Luxifero If anything, this is a mundane situation which has been elected unto the mainstream media to further frustrate the publics angst against the Islamic community.


This is not a mundane situation.
About 1,000 vehicles have been set on fire. Schools hae been set on fire.
Firefighters and ambulances have been attacked and so have the police.

This is a major situation and it really hasn't gotten overwhelming coverage on the news channels. People who I have spoked to said they wouldn't have known about it if they hadn't seen it on the Internet or heard about it from me.

[edit on 5-11-2005 by AceOfBase]



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 08:21 PM
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I just watched the CNN Headline news rundown of the top news stories.
They mentioned the operation in Iraq, the attack on the cruise ship off somalia, ethics in the US government and Prince Charles and Camilla's interest in organic farming.

There was no mention of the riots in France.

Has anyone been following the US news channels?
How much coverage is this getting on TV?



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