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Islamic Rioting in France

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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795
Yes, the majority are Muslims rioting.


That sparks a question. - 'majority' or 'all'?
Which is it? Is it a majority of the rioters are
muslims, or is it all? What I'm hearing on TV
is it is ALL muslims.




posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 09:28 AM
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The way I see it , it’s the beginning of the end of western civilization. Orwell, er I mean ohwell. Any way, Zion now is soon going to have allot more help take care of their problem. Yep all you young Anglo/Franco, Nordic boys get to have your hands soaked in blood, while spilling your own. Kinda makes you wonder if this is all by design.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by JAK
I know a Muslim down the Mosque not 200 yards from my
front door. His family have lived and died in England for as
long as they know. He definately didn't move here to
rob others


www.jihadwatch.org...

Some of the people who 'knew' Muhammad Atta were shocked
that he was one of the leaders of 9/11. 'We had coffee together',
we sat and chatted over donuts' ... etc. etc.

You NEVER really know a person. Never. That goes for everyone.
Muslim, Protestant, Catholic, Jewish .... black, white, ... whatever.

However, I agree with your basic statement. Not all muslims
are fanatical terrorists. You can't blanket statement all of them
into one group.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 10:06 AM
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"It's the police who are provoking us," said a bearded man in a white cap and North African robe in Aulnay who would give his name only as Mohamed. "They don't like foreigners."

He said he had moved to France from Algeria in 1971 and lived in the neighborhood for 30 years. All four of his children were born in France, and though he is unemployed, they have all found jobs.

"They say integrate, but I don't understand: I'm already French, what more do they want?" he said. "They want me to drink alcohol?"

Though France has a policy of officially ignoring ethnic differences in favor of French identity, its people have been slow to open their arms to newcomers who are told that they should enjoy the same rights.

"On paper we're all the same, but if your name is Mohamed, even with a good education, you can only find a job as a porter at the airport," said Kader, 23, who works at the airport. He complained that the immigrant suburbs had been neglected by the current government.

Source:
N ew York Times



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 10:06 AM
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This thread has turned utterly racist and digsusting. I would vote for it to be locked.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 10:07 AM
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AUBERVILLIERS, France (AP) - Widespread riots across impoverished areas of France took a malevolent turn in a ninth night of violence, with youths torching an ambulance and stoning medical workers coming to the aid of a sick person. Authorities arrested more than 250 people, an unprecedented sweep since the beginning of the unrest.

Bands of youths also burned a nursery school, warehouses and nearly 900 cars overnight as the violence spread from the restive Paris suburbs to towns around France. The U.S. warned Americans against taking trains to the airport through the affected areas.

At the nursery school in Acheres, west of Paris, part of the roof was caved in, childrens' photos stuck to blackened walls, and melted plastic toys littered the floor.

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This is just getting ridiculous. I highly doubt that the conditions are such that these people can feel justified in doing this. How come Muslim leaders never condemn wrong doings by their people or community, but are quick to point out how they're always treated unfairly. If they do, is it just not made public or am I not seeing it?



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by CogitoErgoSum1
How come Muslim leaders never condemn wrong doings by their people or community, but are quick to point out how they're always treated unfairly. If they do, is it just not made public or am I not seeing it?

I imagine a conspiracy theorist would say something to the effect that it is right wing Christians that control the media so any condemnation is never allowed to see the light of day.

I must admit that in the UK condemnation from Muslim community leaders for acts perpetrated in the name of Islam is both voiced and heard.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by RK_Pr0t0c0l
I know the French government had some
policies in place to "integrate" them into French society and
help them, but I guess it wasn't enough.


I guess banning little girls from wearing headscarves in schools was one of their great policies put in place to "help" integrate them into French society.

Chirac: Ban headscarves in schools



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 10:26 AM
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Chirac's remarks Wednesday came in response to a commission report favoring the banning of Muslim head scarves, Jewish skullcaps and large Christian crosses in public schools.


He's not just banning Muslim attire. Besides what relevance does that have to this topic?



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by KhieuSamphan

I must admit that in the UK condemnation from Muslim community leaders for acts perpetrated in the name of Islam is both voiced and heard.


Why are these leaders not sought out and their voice heard so that others are not blinded by the radical nature of the faith?



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 10:33 AM
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Yes, the slums don't have proper schools, so let's torch the schools they DO have! I understand why they're rioting, but rioting is NOT a way to secure change in conditions. Remember Watts in the 60's? After the riot, it didn't get any better. Just filled pine boxes.

Rioting is not 'free speech'. Rioting is not 'civil disobedience'. Rioting is a criminal act that results in property destruction, and should be responded to as such. If rubber bullets aren't working, use buckshot.

DE



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by CogitoErgoSum1



Chirac's remarks Wednesday came in response to a commission report favoring the banning of Muslim head scarves, Jewish skullcaps and large Christian crosses in public schools.

He's not just banning Muslim attire. Besides what relevance does that have to this topic?

Does that help them to get more "Integrate in the Society" More?

Does that make them feel like Home?

Hey - come to the Country, work the Hardest Jobs, that nobody wants for the Lowest Wages.

Live in the Poorest Part of the City with Most Crime Rate and lowest Employment Rate.

What did you Expect them to do?

That is what they have LEARNED to do in this Urban Jungle, and the Enviroment caused them to be like that.

Do you think they do not want a Nice Life, like everybody else?

Don't you think that maybe, that makes them a lil' Angry and Frustrated?

[edit on 5/11/05 by Souljah]



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by crisko
A majority of the people involed with the LA riots were Baptist. We should expunge them too huh?


Baptists??

I lived thru the LA riots and the gang-members who started it were no Baptists I assure you. I remember vividly as the LAPD ran away and the TV news reported: If you call 911, there will be no police response.

Its days like that which make me glad Im an heavily armed American. The poor French don't even have a BB guns.

Maximu§



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 11:06 AM
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Hey Souljah, when my dirt-poor Grandparents immigrated to America, they:

-Didn't continue to speak their native language. As soon as they got across the America border, it was English only.

-they worked hard at their low paying jobs.

-they embraced America's values, language and culture.

-they worked hard to ASSIMULATE and blend in.

-they Never accepted government money....they would rather their kids go hungry and dress in rags than accept welfare. Thats called pride.

-they taught my parents how LUCKY we were to be in America and this truely is the land of dreams IF you work hard to meet if half-way and keep your nose clean.

Looks to me like these children of the North African immigrants were not taught any of those lessons, they expect France to bend over backwards to accomodate them and it don't work like that.....when in Rome, do as the Romans do.

These Punks about to get their butts stomped on by the militarys heavy hand and They get no sympathy from me......like the Palestineans, they brought it upon themselves.

Maximu§



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Does that help them to get more "Integrate in the Society" More?

Does that make them feel like Home?

Hey - come to the Country, work the Hardest Jobs, that nobody wants for the Lowest Wages.

Live in the Poorest Part of the City with Most Crime Rate and lowest Employment Rate.

What did you Expect them to do?

That is what they have LEARNED to do in this Urban Jungle, and the Enviroment caused them to be like that.

Do you think they do not want a Nice Life, like everybody else?

Don't you think that maybe, that makes them a lil' Angry and Frustrated?



Really who gives a rats ass what makes them feel more comfortable. You can't go through life and try to please everyone, sometimes people have to adapt. This country should not be required to change its laws and vaules because people decide to imigrate there. This is not an attack on Muslims this is a banning of religious attire in schools. This action is required in America so I don't see what's wrong with the seperation of blatant religious attire from public schools. Being poor and living in a lower class enviroment is no excuse or justification for violence. Someone will always have more than you and you better get used to it because such is life. By your assesment everyone who has less or comes from a less privliged background than the next man should be able to rise up and revolt.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 11:12 AM
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LA_Max,

You are not seeing at the WHOLE Picuture, but at the Detail, it Pleases you.

They WHOLE Picture is a little different, then the small Detail you are looking at.

This Story goes Beyond just this Event, that is the Only Visible Effect of this Crisis, that has been going on for decades.

Only NOW you are starting to see this problem, when these Kids have got your attention - not before, becuse nobody cares.

Now suddenly, you are Loud and Proud to be a Smart Guy, telling this kids that they are Criminals, when that is what the Society made them.

Why are you not Critising the French Goverment now anymore - they are suddenly Great huh, but when they did not support Bush's war, they were not so Innocent?

Again - you just watched at the Details, not the whole picture.

People like to do that.


Deep Roots of Paris Riots

[edit on 5/11/05 by Souljah]



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 11:31 AM
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I understand that the situation is deeper than just people rioting, but if you look a little deeper I don’t think it’s all about social/economic hardships. Social/Economic hardships don’t bring about this type of hate. There are two types of vehicles for change those that hate and those that understand. Those that understand bring about change, and those that hate bring about more….you guessed it!





[edit on 5-11-2005 by CogitoErgoSum1]



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 11:43 AM
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Why does not the Asain comunity riot aswell ?



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 11:45 AM
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Souljah, you keep going on about integration and all that BS...guess what, it won't happen in one generation, or ten, or maybe even twenty. I know blacks in the states have had a hell of a time integrating. Let me give you a good example:

I'm French Canadian. Born in Montreal, no less. I grew up going to Atwater Market and the St. Urbain district every other weekend. I know at least one branch of my family was in this country when it was still New France.

Quebec is 80% Francophone. My mom was a francophone, my father was not. I am an anglophone, growing up in a province in which I was the minority. What did I do?

I learnt French, dammit. I was equally fluent in both languages once upon a time. Not as good now, after spending half of my life outside of Quebec, but yeah...half my family speaks only french. Does this make me any less Canadian than say, oh, Intrepid? No. I am a French Canadian , just like these riots are French Muslims. The french aren't 100% integrated in Canadian society after three hundred years, why did these immigrants think they could expect integration after thirty?

DE



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 11:46 AM
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I just wonder what the French government can do now. I don't think they can deport these people back to their ancestral countries because many of them are French citizens. So they're gonna have to work on helping these people more; but that's going to be tough because there's a lot of discrimination by the "native" French against muslim French. Damn, tough problem.

This is why I think accepting a large group of people from a different culture and religion equates to a lot of problems.

On the other hand, the muslims should work harder to try to integrate, I don't really think they're doing enough.

"As the country celebrates the centenary of the separation of Church and State, Islam is seen as the biggest challenge to the country's secular model in the past 100 years."

"French police know that there is no shortage of potential jihadis in the country."

news.bbc.co.uk...

[edit on 5-11-2005 by RK_Pr0t0c0l]



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