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Islamic Rioting in France

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posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 09:51 PM
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And the next one to make idiotic generalisations like American Mad man here, or the next one to somehow unjustly point a finger at France, the United States or any other country on this planet, Mars, Venus, and CHalabuga of the 18 quadrant, will cause this thread to be closed.

Behave yourselves people.




posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795
And the next one to make idiotic generalisations like American Mad man here, or the next one to somehow unjustly point a finger at France, the United States or any other country on this planet, Mars, Venus, and CHalabuga of the 18 quadrant, will cause this thread to be closed.

Behave yourselves people.


Excuse me, but how is this idiotic?

Is not the majority of those rioting muslim?

Is not burning a handicap women alive wrong?

Is not burning someone property down because you are not "happy" wrong?

Why can't we just call a spade a spade here. It is Muslims doing this. Go ahead and close the thread if you want, but it's sad that people can't just speak THE TRUTH here, and say Muslims are the ones rioting, just like in LA it was blacks.

So much for deny ignorance...



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 11:07 PM
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Yes, the majority are Muslims rioting. But you went totally out of line by posting like that. Just keep a normal discussion, that's all I ask.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
it's sad that people can't just speak THE TRUTH here, and say Muslims are the ones rioting, just like in LA it was blacks.

So much for deny ignorance...


Actually the riots in Los Angeles started in the Black area of South Central Los Angeles, then the latinos and anarchists in various parts of the city joined in an opportunistic frenzy of looting. The problem in France appears to me very much like the problem during the first 72 hours of the Los Angeles riots in that Police response was negligable until National Guards were called in. The French police may also lack the same kind of 'domestic response' training the Los Angeles Police have had mandated since the Watts riots 40 years ago.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 06:21 AM
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This thread gets to be more and more fun....

What is it about the combination of the words France and Muslim that turns peoples brains off?

By letting people into the country France has a commitment to do something about them, especially when a large number were fleeing from a French war in Algeria. These people are not fresh off the boat, they have lived in France all their lives and think of themselves as French. But why should they tolerate a system that denies them jobs because of the colour of hteir skin and the clothes they wear?

Ace of Base you are a rascist if you think it is acceptable for there to be no Muslim MP's in France. Its the same as saying its ok for there to be no black or hispanic senators in the US.

Can you see my point? If you make up 10% of a nations population you should be represented in government. By not having any such representation you are asking for trouble.

Naturally this is no excuse for what we are seeing now, the rioting is totally out of hand and should be crushed, but there are underlying causes that need to be taken into account.

Its not just a case of mad wog simplicity that many of you seem to think it is.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 06:37 AM
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Originally posted by Uncle Joe
Ace of Base you are a rascist if you think it is acceptable for there to be no Muslim MP's in France. Its the same as saying its ok for there to be no black or hispanic senators in the US.


I'm an even bigger racist (Islamaphobe?) than you think because at this point I don't think it's acceptable for there to be any Muslims at all in France or any other non-Muslim European countries.

They are going to turn the European countries into the same kind of # hole that they left behind.

They are taking over the streets and they are eventually going to destroy Europe. I have no problems with Muslims living in Muslims countries and I think we should leave them alone in their countries but they should also leave Europeans alone.

EDIT:
BTW, you are also a racist for using a term like 'mad wog' unless that was a typo.

[edit on 5-11-2005 by AceOfBase]



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by Uncle Joe
This thread gets to be more and more fun....

What is it about the combination of the words France and Muslim that turns peoples brains off?

By letting people into the country France has a commitment to do something about them, especially when a large number were fleeing from a French war in Algeria. These people are not fresh off the boat, they have lived in France all their lives and think of themselves as French. But why should they tolerate a system that denies them jobs because of the colour of hteir skin and the clothes they wear?

Ace of Base you are a rascist if you think it is acceptable for there to be no Muslim MP's in France. Its the same as saying its ok for there to be no black or hispanic senators in the US.

Can you see my point? If you make up 10% of a nations population you should be represented in government. By not having any such representation you are asking for trouble.

Naturally this is no excuse for what we are seeing now, the rioting is totally out of hand and should be crushed, but there are underlying causes that need to be taken into account.

Its not just a case of mad wog simplicity that many of you seem to think it is.


Now this is more like it

I remember when I first clicked on this thread and thought I was going to feast my eyes on some thoughtful insight/opinions on the cause of/state of this current event, perhaps some rationale ? ... and all I saw day after day was a whole lot of negative/racist/blatant idiocy in response to post after post. Thus I have avoided any thread pertaining to this topic sadly, but when I do check in to see if maybe, just maybe, SOMEONE doesn't also have a one-track mind when it comes to Muslims and why they maybe act the way they do (desperation maybe ?? hmmm) came to post ... and alas here U are



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by AceOfBase
Put the blame on the #ing rioters not the police who are trying to get things under control.

Those criminals are scum!!!

Lets not Forget, that France IGNORED the problems of these People living in the suburbs for 30 or more Years. It was a Timebomb anyway, waiting to explode. Would it be any better, if these angry rioters were White? Or Jews? Would that change things? Because so far, all I can see here is some more Muslim-Bashing going on in this Thread - but nobody actually sees whats really going on.

The Guy I agree Most on this Topic is mister from USSR, Uncle Joe:

It Takes Two To Tango.

So, stop blaming JUST thes rioters, and think about, WHY are they doing that?


It isn't that easy to assimilate an entire foreign population in such a short time. I know the French government had some policies in place to "integrate" them into French society and help them, but I guess it wasn't enough.

I really want to see how the French people and the French government will react. Because if I was French I'd be very pissed off to see a bunch of foreign thugs destroy my country. I know there's discrimination against these people, but ruining other people's businesses and putting other people's lives at risk simply because you're discontent is not the way to go.

Now this is one of the problems when you let a large minority get out of control, I hope Europe learns a lesson from this and takes appropriate action before it gets worse.


Originally posted by Souljah
Did you know, that the Police who were chasing the two young men, knew that they were hiding in a electrical transforamtor, and that they said on the Phone:

"They are not going Anywhere now!"

Meaning, that the Cop is quilty of "Not Offering Help to the Man in Danger" and letting them fry to death.

A full investigation has been started by the president Chirac.

Can you say LA'92?

[edit on 4/11/05 by Souljah]


LOL, are you freaking serious? Why the hell were they running away in the first place? It's a very foolish asumption to expect to receive help from a police officer when you try to run away for him.

[edit on 5-11-2005 by RK_Pr0t0c0l]



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by junglejake

Originally posted by Yorga
This rioters are doing more harm to thier cause than can possibly imagine.


Then again, maybe the organizers do imagine. This is a conspiracy website, let's talk conspiracy.

..... It may be someone's hope that this spirals out of control,


you may be very correct there junglejake
it may well be that this growing riot,
is another campaign springing from (the organizers) MilitantIslamists,
the Islamic Jihad, even another Secret-Organization- al Qaida-in Europe,


remember that several countries were warned that they were to be targets of violence/bombings/etc from the faithful who observe Jihad & fatwas...i recall that after Spain & London bombings
the nations of Italy, France, Netherland...among others were pre-warned as is customary in Islamic law...[add Edit; ? riots began as Ramadan ended...thus making attacks against the west OK to do]in this case France

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some of ya'll advance the idea that this riot is just the release of tension and the immigrants' & poors' unemployment or lack of representation in the gov't...
add to that list; the headscarf ban?? in schools & such, which demeans Muslims in that French society.
all-in-all, the seeming degrading of these ethnic groups as 2nd class people

add this, with the Jihad, and the goal of OBL to bury the 'west' in financial ruin....all this might just be an orchestrated militant strategy to cause a massive social & financial collapse in France.
A as massive(& costly) police & military forces are enacted into action
B as billions of property & commerce is destroyed and insurance cannot rebuild it.
C as 'cells' under the cover & confusion of massive rioting, use the opportunity to raid nuclear weapon storage facilities in the French Armories.
D add your own thoughts...


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posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 07:47 AM
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With so much muslim discontent I can only but wonder when the next terrorist attack will take place in France. Perhaps they're already planning it as I write. If those rioters can do what they've done in the past week, then I don't think they will hesitate when it comes to blowing up things with explosives.

Oh boy, the French will regret the day they opened their doors to these ingrate foreigners.

[edit on 5-11-2005 by RK_Pr0t0c0l]



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 08:17 AM
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Thankyou ImJaded, noone ever done that for me before and im flattered.


Ace of Base, youre an idiot if you want to kick all the Muslims out of Europe. There have been Muslims in Spain since 600ad. There have been Muslims in the Balkans since the 16th century. You cant judt dirve them out, they have lived here for centuries and have just as much of a right to be here as anyone else. Its a bit like wanting to kick all the blacks out of the USA. And if you said you wanted to do taht you would be a rascist. So what is different here?

And my use of the phrase 'mad wog' was trying to prove a point, people are not looking on the rioters as people but as crazy fanatics. I think people are tarring the poor and disposesed with the same brush as Osama Bin Laden because they share the same religion.

Also the Muslims rioting in France are not 'foriegn thugs' as someone described them, they are French, they were born and raised in France, they are French citizens. Therefore the French government has a duty towards them, a duty which it has clarly failed.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by Uncle Joe
Therefore the French government has a duty towards them, a duty which it has clarly failed.


Exactly.

American Mad Man,

A majority of the people involed with the LA riots were Baptist. We should expunge them too huh?



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 08:39 AM
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Hey Uncle Joe//



Ace of Base, youre an idiot if you want to kick all the Muslims out of Europe. There have been Muslims in Spain since 600ad


You are mistaken!
Q: WHEN DID IT ALL START? A: With the Hijra or Hegire - the migration of the Prophet Mohammed from Mecca to Medina in 622. This date marks the beginning of Islam and the Muslim era.
TAKEN FROM ///
www.30-days.net...

I also knew this.

IX
helen



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by helen670
www.30-days.net...


Thank you for that link.
Islam was started by a person who emmigrated to another city and then robbed the people who were living there because he couldn't make it on his own. Nothings changed for the Muslims today.



During the second year in Medina, life became financially difficult. Muhammad started to raid caravans and divide the spoils among his men. He became very powerful and with just 350 armed men, Muhammad attached a caravan at Badr, defeating an army of one thousand men who had come from Mecca to protect the caravan. The victory at Badr had great importance for Muhammad as it assured him that Allah was with him.


[edit on 5-11-2005 by AceOfBase]



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 08:51 AM
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Ok, slightly wrong, Spain was invaded by Arabs in the 7th century. They conquered the country and later converted to Islam. Sorry for that minor glitch.

They have still ben there for over a thousand years.

Still wrong?



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 09:03 AM
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There should be no excuse for pouring inflammable liquid on a 50 year old lady with crutches and setting her on fire, NONE! If you live anywhere in Europe than you have A LOT more opportunities than most of the world because you can travel fairly easily through the entire EU looking for work. Heck they could even come here and do seasonal fruit picking on the farms, it's not a job many Australians want (which is why they have to advertise the job for forigners on temporary visas) but it's what i had to do to save up enough money to go to tafe and get a business degree. Although if we had as good social security as they do in France I probably could have saved money for tafe from just being on the dole... Rioting because two individuals broke the law (I assume running from the police is illegal there also) and got themselves killed is even sillier. I used to play up a lot in my youth and you simply don't run from the cops (unless they actually saw you do something wrong), you act like everything is normal, be polite to them and hope they don't search you.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 09:11 AM
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OK People,
Bottom Line is this:

FRANCH Goverment and Authorities did IGNORED the problem of Immigrats living in Suburbs and their Not-Acceptance in the French Society. The Majority of them Have French nationality and are living in France for few decades. They live in Ghettos, where there is actually NO White French People living with them - meaning that they are put to live on the edge of the "Civilized" city to live among Rats, 40-year old half decayed buildings, without any real Future. Yes, the Majority of the people from 18-35 is Jobless - so do you think it is EASY for them to get a job? Do you think, they have the SAME or EQUAL opportunites like the rest of the French? What is Wrong with Wanting the SAME School and Educational Program. What is Wrong if they want JOBS? What is wrong, if they want the Country, that they live in, to Consider them as EQUAL Citizens?

But, these problems have been put aside for so long, that people just waited for that "trigger" - and the Deaths of these Two Young Men, have done that...


PS: This THREAD is SO Filled with #ing RACISM and Religions Impatience, that it makes me SICK, to be reading some of these responses. Suddenly, Islam is responsible for EVERY problem, there is in the Society Today - and the "Ciivlized West" remains Spotless and innocent as Virgin Mary.

Yeah Right!



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[edit on 5/11/05 by Souljah]



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by RK_Pr0t0c0l
It isn't that easy to assimilate an entire foreign population in
such a short time. I know the French government had some
policies in place to "integrate" them into French society and
help them, but I guess it wasn't enough.


www.frontpagemag.com...

It was plenty. The muslims DON'T WANT to integrate.


JAK

posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

Islam was started by a person who emmigrated to another city and then robbed the people who were living there because he couldn't make it on his own. Nothings changed for the Muslims today.


Ok enough of the blind hate. This is rubbish, all Musilms are thieves now? We have gone from trouble in Paris to a statement condemning every follower of an entire religion?

I know a Muslim down the Mosque not 200 yards from my front door. His family have lived and died in England for as long as they know. He definately didn't move here to rob others. Although looking into his family tree I suppose it is quite possible that he would be of Viking stock and so originally...

Come on, Don't be silly. Enough now.

Jak



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by crisko
A majority of the people involed with the LA riots were Baptist.
We should expunge them too huh?


I didn't realize that Southern California was a
fundamentalist stronghold.


BTW - AceOfBase - for all your posts here -
You have voted AceOfBase for the Way Above Top Secret award.
You have two more votes this month



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