Islamic Rioting in France

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. France was kind enough to bring these folk in from North Africa, Algeria and whatever hellhole they were born in and this is the thanks they give to France?

Looks to me like the police have lost control over these rioting surburbs and now its time to bring in the Army with tanks, gunships and heavily armed troops with real bullets.

Of course I snickered at these riots at first, thinking: it serves them right...let France BURN! Now I am feeling different and perhaps the EU should help France if this spirals out of control.

Whats worse the Socialist Opposition party blamed the government for not "assimulating" these immigrants properly. They should be arrested on the spot for taking the rioters side.

Anyhow, heres the link and I hope there are still some tough guys left in France to defend what their fathers built:

news.yahoo.com...

Maximu§

...that Islam was the religion of peace??? Peaceful people don't riot, do they??? Well France, the chickens have finally come home to roost. Enjoy yourselves!

Gee. Perhaps instead of coming to America and lecturing us on how
we need to understand Islam better ... perhaps Prince Charles should
run on over to France and help them out. I'm sure that if he were to
tell the infidels in France to 'understand' the rioters it will go so much
more smoothly ...

Does anyone know what exactly started the riots? I read that two teenagers were accidently electrocuted while running from the Police. Something about they were hiding in a power substation or something
of the kind. I do not understand what sparked the rioting? Were the deaths accidental or not?

Originally posted by Yorga
Does anyone know what exactly started the riots? I read that two teenagers were accidently electrocuted while running from the Police. Something about they were hiding in a power substation or something
of the kind. I do not understand what sparked the rioting? Were the deaths accidental or not?

they were electrocuted by accident wen running away. but somehow it just made North African and other people mad as hell and decide to show how mad they are since racial tensions have been increasing wen most immigrants dont have jobs or are being neglected. i guess they felt that police chasing after a pair of black youngsters just sparked them.

Originally posted by Yorga
Does anyone know what exactly started the riots? I read that two teenagers were accidently electrocuted while running from the Police. Something about they were hiding in a power substation or something
of the kind. I do not understand what sparked the rioting? Were the deaths accidental or not?

Yeah, I read 2 punks got electrocuted as you mentioned and that was enough to start the riots and than a tear gas shell got shot into a Mosque and it went downhill from there.



Maximu§

There's another thread on this in BTS:

Fifth night of rioting in Paris France

France is not the only place this is happening.

There were also muslim riots in Denmark at the same time the Paris riots were going on but that hasn't made the US news as far as I'm aware.

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More on the Denmark riot

www.dr.dk

The area of Viby, just outside central Århus has witnessed a spate of riots all weekend with shop windows being smashed, a kindergarten burnt out and general violence occurring between mainly young people with immigrant backgrounds and the police.

With all that's been happening in places like Birmingham, Paris and Arhus, I think European tolerance is going to be pushed aside as reality sets in.

Originally posted by LA_Maximus
Yeah, I read 2 punks got electrocuted as you mentioned and that was enough to start the riots and than a tear gas shell got shot into a Mosque and it went downhill from there.



Maximu§

They weren't even punks. They were two kids who were walking by when police showed up to investigate a break-in. There were six others who took off running when the cops showed up, so these two along with another buddy took off running, too. They hid in an electrical substation, and there was a power surge 22 minutes after the police had left the scene. One of the three survived, and said he didn't see police even chasing them, but everyone else was running, so they did, too. (BBC)

So apparently the Police did nothing wrong but yet the people are
burning cars and buildings for 7 nights now. Is anyone besides me
at a loss here? I don't get it! Is this perhaps Europes awakening?
Is this the price of years of tolerance and neglect?

There's some pictures here:
BBC
BBC



They need to either shoot or deport the people who were doing this.

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Originally posted by Yorga
So apparently the Police did nothing wrong but yet the people are
burning cars and buildings for 7 nights now. Is anyone besides me
at a loss here? I don't get it! Is this perhaps Europes awakening?
Is this the price of years of tolerance and neglect?

Dunno, same thing happened recently in America. Neo-Nazis demonstrated, a counter protest was held that started to turn violent. The Neo-Nazis were asked to leave, which they did, and the crowd turned against the police. Didn't last for 7 days, and was very isolated, but it did still happen.

Perhaps this is Frances 9/11. In as much as I hate the french, I am sorry to see this sort of thing happening. I only hope that it doesn't escalate and innocents get killed.

Originally posted by Yorga
Is this perhaps Europes awakening?

- You don't know much about Europe's history of civil disturbances if you think this is 'bad'.

Obviously it isn't good.

But compared to an even half serious strike in France or a bout of civil unrest these 'riots' are pretty minor stuff.

Not the same thing, the incident with the Neo-Nazis should have never
been allowed to take place. Sure they have the right to assemble and ftreedom of speech but they should have never been allowed to march anywhere near where they were. That was really asking for trouble!
Damn stupid IMHO.

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[edit on 3-11-2005 by Yorga]

Originally posted by Yorga
Not the same thing, the incident with the Neo-Nazis should have never
been allowed to take place. Sure they have the right to assemble and ftreedom of speech but they should have never been allowed to march anywhere near where they were. That was really asking for trouble!
Damn stupid IMHO.

[edit on 3-11-2005 by Yorga]

[edit on 3-11-2005 by Yorga]

But in some respects it was the same thing. In the case in France, two kids got killed for being stupid, and the people's anger turned towards the police and city. Would these kids have been killed if the police hadn't shown up? Probably, but not that night. So because these kids misperceived a situation and did something incredibly stupid, the police are at fault. In Ohio, had the Neo Nazis not been allowed to march, would the riot have happened? No, probably not. Yet, because they were, and people turned violent, then turned on the police and paramedics, it is the city's fault?

These events were just a catalyst. There is something bigger brewing underneath that is causing this much unrest and anger towards the state. The question is, what is it?

- You don't know much about Europe's history of civil disturbances if you think this is 'bad'.

Obviously it isn't good.

But compared to an even half serious strike in France or a bout of civil unrest these 'riots' are pretty minor stuff.

Actually I was referring to Europes obsession with all things American, if this riot was taking place across the big pond it would be all the talk. Somehow made out to be the fault of our government, way of life and
our come-up-pence! Just goes to show that the stink in the air doesn't
always come from Washington DC.

Junglejake,

You are absolutely right! The underlying hatred and mistrust in both cases is at fault. I do not know the history of the French Police and the culture that is rioting so I cannot intelligently discuss it. The Ohio situation on the other hand was gross stupidity. I am a 53 year old white male who grew
up in the segragated south. I remember very will how the blacks were treated. It is a sad legacy of this country. One that we have been so adamantly reminded of since the death of Rosa Parks. Government officals have to show more sensitivity to the citizens of thier principalities. If those boneheads had marched in my neighborhood, I would have rioted too!

The riots in Birmingham were a result of tensions between two communities, not directly aimed at the police they were just trying to keep the peace. To say these riots in Paris are strictly 'Islamic' is misguided they are as much about racial tension, unemployment and poverty as anything else. The usual reasons that spark off these events.

Funny reactions here....


What does this riot have to do with Islam ? I really don't see the connection. Could someone explain this to me ?


This is a riot,( which i condem) this is not an act of "muslims", this is the act of a bunch of very angry young people ,fed up with not getting a single chance from society, and thus resorting to drugs and other crimes (which i understand but still condemn).

Most of the youths are 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants, they have the French nationality, but they feel ( justified or not) that France cares little for them. It has nothing to do with religion what so ever...