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posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 09:52 AM
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Do you also know the Confessions of This Marine?

Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, one of the most colorful officers in the Marine Corps' long history, was one of the two Marines who received two Medals of Honor for separate acts of outstanding heroism.

www.medalofhonor.com...

Funny how this Site never mentiones his Book, War is a Racket.

Here is a Quote, that I know You all simply LOVE:



I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.

en.wikipedia.org...

Gee, I Wonder why the did not put that in his Profile.

Hes a General, isnt he?





posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 09:59 AM
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I read the reply. He is now claiming he was misquoted...


Souljah...The guy can't get anyone to back up his claims. His defense of an alleged fabricated lie is that he was misquoted. Now, I know you think that America is all that is evil, that Bush is the Devils favorite grandchild and Cheney is his choice to replace Santa clause (or whatever the apropriate old religious figure would be), but blaming this guys alleged accusations on anyone but him lacks any kind of logic or reasoning.

If anything he said is true, then he is a sick individual, and should be executed as a war criminal. If what he said was a lie, then he is liar, something I loathe.

Either wawy this man has ZERO respect from me, and I have nothing but contempt for him.



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
en.wikipedia.org...


Wikipedia is not a source of any value, as any idiot can put things on it. Got another source?

I would be interested about the circumstances of this quote if it were true.



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 10:20 AM
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American Mad Man,
That quote is from an article that ran in the socialist newspaper Common Sense in 1935.
Why would he say this? Easy answer




From 1935 through 1937, Butler was a spokesman for the League Against War and Fascism, a Communist-dominated organization of the time. He also participated in the Third U.S. Congress Against War and Fascism, sharing the platform with well-known leftists of the era, including Langston Hughes, Heywood Broun, and Roger Baldwin. When the Spanish Civil War (1936-39) threatened the collapse of the Soviet-supported Spanish government, the League's pacifism evaporated, and they supported intervention. Butler, however, remained true to his belief in non-interventionism: "What the hell is it our business what's going on in Spain?" But before Butler became involved in these causes, he had already exposed a fascist plot against his own government.


home.iprimus.com.au...



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 10:45 AM
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Thanks for the reply kenshiro


As always, context tends to put things in perspective



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 11:21 AM
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[Since 1862, 294 Marines have been awarded the Medal of Honor. The first recipient was Corporal John F. Mackie, who during the attack on Fort Darling at Drewry's Bluff, Virginia, "fearlessly maintained his musket fire against the rifle pits on shore, and when ordered to fill vacancies at guns caused by men wounded and killed in action, manned the weapon with skill and courage." ]

Soulguy,

See the great thing about America is that people have the freedom to express their opinion whether it goes against main stream thinking or
or not. It is because of marines like the 294 mentioned above that free
people every where get to do just that. Trying to misrepesent a majority by using the opinion of a minority is down right deceitful. Just like having company, it starts to smell after a few days. But you know that don't you? Cause from what I can see you've made a career out of just that here on ATS. Down at the Rusty Pelican they have a saying, "Putting perfume on a Pole Cat doesn't hide the fact it's still a skunk!" Now if you would like to truly learn something about the Marine Corp or the individuals that have won the MOH, then I suggest you do some reading:

Start here:

www.medalofhonor.com...

Then go here:

www.americanheros.com...

Heres a good one:

www.nps.gov...

And since it is the holiday season:

www.toysfortots.org...

And for my African/American brothers and Sisters:

raahistory.com...

And finally, just one marine doing his duty. If you asked him he would simply say, "I am not a hero but I was in a company of heros":

www.wtv-zone.com...



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 12:19 PM
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They train them to become inhuman.



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 12:35 PM
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Souljah, i have a suggestion, instead of picking out one or two cases of these soldiers who claim to have done something wrong, look at the vast majority of heros that served the USA, there are lots and lots if you take the time to set aside you your pre-conceived notions.



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
They train them to become inhuman.

Inhuman?
You ofcourse are generalising...unless your saying that medics and doctors are now inhuman?
Tell me, is a human born with the knowledge of how to kill?
I certainly was, same with mostly everyone.



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 01:04 PM
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What the Matter? You do not like this MARINE anymore? Now, after he has Served his country well, and he has turned anti-war, he is a Traitor and a Criminal? He received TWO CMOH Medals - is that not Enough in your Eyes for a Marine to proove his Servie to His country and his Core?

OK, here are some more Articles:



War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

www.fas.org...

If you did not Notice that by now, this Major General has Wrote a BOOK.



How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

www.veteransforpeace.org...

I rather belive this General Major that has Seen HELL in his life for two Lifetimes, then any Hero that received a Medal. Wanna know why they receive this Medals of Honor?



Napoleon once said,

"All men are enamored of decorations . . . they positively hunger for them."

So by developing the Napoleonic system -- the medal business -- the government learned it could get soldiers for less money, because the boys liked to be decorated. Until the Civil War there were no medals. Then the Congressional Medal of Honor was handed out. It made enlistments easier. After the Civil War no new medals were issued until the Spanish-American War.

Boys like Medals.




posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 01:15 PM
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Souljah,
Yes, Smedley did write the book War Is a Racket.
He wrote the book in 1935 which is AFTER he had already joined the League Against War and Fascism
So like you, he had an agenda.
Which xman_in_blackx stated so well in another thread:




You don't let the facts get in the way of your arguments.

Here are some of your "facts":
1. The US is evil.
2. Anything the US does is evil.
3. Capitalism puts the world under its heel.
4. Anyone who opposes the US is a hero.

All of these are nothing more than your opinion and very far from fact.



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by kenshiro2012
Souljah,
Yes, Smedley did write the book War Is a Racket.
He wrote the book in 1935 which is AFTER he had already joined the League Against War and Fascism
So like you, he had an agenda.
Which xman_in_blackx stated so well in another thread:

SO - if he has walked to Hell and Back and wrote a Book about it, that makes his statemements hold any less Weight then if he was in the Marines?

Why is the Word of a Marine not SAME as the Word of an Ex-Marine, that decided to join the Anti-War movement? I think he has a pretty good idea what a War really is, after all he served as a General in the USMC, and I am sure he has seen Lots of Blood of Young Men and Women being spilled for some Petty percentage of the Rich Men.

But again - he has an "Agenda" like me.

All anti-war people have an "Agenda".

AND SO DO YOU!



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 01:39 PM
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But again - he has an "Agenda" like me.


Ok, let's put this into single syllable words. MG Smedley wrote his book and made his known his anti war anti US opinions after he had joined an anti US group. His agenda at that time was to promote communisim. So being a war veteran, he and his group knew that his words would reach more people. Attempting to persuade them to see the world through the same color glasses as the League does.

And yes Souljah I do have an agenda just like you. My agenda is one to actually bring to light the truth. If you may remember dear sir, I have actually backed you in some of your postings. I have also posted the opposite side from what you are attempting to do.
Of late, you have taken that great big paint brush and have attributed to all americans, members of the military, the faults and misdeeds of a few people.
What you have been espousing is that all are guilty if one person has done something wrong. That is the same as blaming all germans for the faults of the holocost.
I try not to take one side, and as I have stated to you before both in posts as well as in IM's it would be better if you tried to balance your hatred. I said this if you will remember, to let you know that by doing so, it would give more credence to your arguments.
By constantly demeaning and using that great big paintbrush as you do, you only derail your arguments and weaken your stance.



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
They train them to become inhuman.



Inhuman? Naw just pissed off and it probably has something to do with the fact that we are not just fighting Iraqi insurgents. For instance Syria, can't keep it's nose out of there either! But hey don't feel bad, your sisters over in Iran are just as quilty! Like Pedro my macaw always says, 'You might be the number one guy in a number two business, but crap is crap!'

faculty-staff.ou.edu...





[edit on 18-11-2005 by WHOFLUNGGUM]



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
They train them to become inhuman.


Again mods, I ask you to get tough and follow up on your own rules that have been set forth. I hate to play the part of pointing it out, but this is just egregious.




Naturally politics plays a huge roll in warfare and it's expected to come up in these conversations, that's FINE what will NOT be tolerated are one liner snipes
Effective EMMEDIATELY



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 06:31 AM
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Still - Major General HAS his own Opinion of WAR and he wrote it down in a Book, and if you as me, its is the Closest to the Truth then any of us. He has Experienced War and has seen where it starts and where it ends. Do you dare to deny, that the wars he fought in the Central and South America were not for Profit? Do you dare to Deny that the Wars that US is involvd today are not fought for Profit? Do you dare to Deny that from ALL wars few, Filth Rich War Pigs EARN enormous ammounts of money - while the small people have to go and fight it out?

Bottom line is, that you do not like this Major General for his Words, not for his anti-war agenda. You do not like him, because he Staind the Shiny Marmble of US Marines and the entire History of America. Remember your history at all - kind of Violent one, huh? First the Genocide of Native Indian Population. Then State Sponsored Racism. Then Brutal Civil Wars. Remember those times?



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 07:32 AM
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All the armchair generals out there should stop making judgement until they have AT LEAST looked at both sides of the argument.

A single book by a single soldier, illustrating a single side of the war does not represent the war as a whole, it merely represents one mans experience. Only after you've read the experiences of many soldiers, from ALL sides of the battle, and have understood where they were coming from will you truly understand what is going on (assuming you have the slightest bit of intelligence and ability to generate your own views & opinions based on as much information as you can gather).

How do you know what this soldier has said in his book is true? How do you know it is false? Let's face it, war stories are like hunting stories. A 1foot Barracuda turns into a 10foot sea monster by the time it hits the pubs/barracks/mates place. Who's to say this whole thing isn't made up, or taken greatly out of context? (it's amazing how leaving out a few facts here and there can totally change a story, even though *technically* you're not lying).

I have not read this book, however from what I understand, it was a shooting of civilians at a check point that was this soldiers downfall. To be brutally honest, if ensuring the safety of a checkpoint by killing total strangers, who may or may not have been carrying a bomb (and turned out to be innocents) broke this man, then he was not strong enough to be at war. I understand the guilt he had afterwards, but what if the 'civilians' were indeed carrying a bomb? Then what? A bit hard to feel guilty about killing someone when your head is lying 50m from your body...welcome to war, where no-one can be presumed innocent and everyone is a potential monster.



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 08:05 AM
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Ok Souljah,
Let's sum up the entire basis of this thread and it's merits.
1st you post the "statements of a marine from Iraq, Jimmy Massey.
His tales have been exposed to have been fables with no basis on truth. vdare.com...

He now states that he has been badly misquoted by reporter Harris as defense. So I guess that he also misquoted himself in his book right since the same episode is in his book.

So the basic premise that gave birth to your thread has been proven false and baseless, even though you have ignored as well as denied the truth that Massey is a liar.

Next you bring up MG Smedley D. Butler to further your campaign to smear the marines. you use an often quoted phrase the Butler gave in 1935, but forget to acknowledge it's source. You parade Bulter's book War is a RACKET as an example of how war (at least those that involve America) are based soley for profit. You know what, you actually may have something on that one SINGLE point unfortunately, you have missed that in your zelous pursuit to degrade all marines , americans.
You fail to acknowledge the fact that all of your references from Butler are from AFTER he had retired from the miliary and only AFTER Butler had joined a Communist based group and was pursuing the communistic agenda of his group. Butler is not the first person to have ever turned his back on his own country, nor will he be the last I am sure. The US had a very famous person who did the same hundreds of years ago. A well respected man went a bit further though than Butler, He actually did take steps against his goverment. His name was Benedict Arnold.
Butler can and still is honored for his service while in the military, and rightly so! He is also able to voice his political opinions as well as promote his groups political agendas. Butler faught for that right and it is his. Does that mean that he and his word should be heeded and considered "Biblical" truth? No. It is one man's opinion, not the opinion nor the viewpoint of all. One note, it is good that you no longer lable Butler as the most decorated marine. At least you are semi acknowledging that

You have failed and sidestepped this when it has been brought to your attention.
I am sorry Souljah, Both of the examples that you have used to further your campaign of anti-americanism have been found to be lacking in substance.

Also, just as a quick reminder there Souljah, I have provided this information to you before but, you have not ever responded to.
I am a Native American Cherokee by blood and heritage so your use of the Indian Genocide was rather apt if a bit off the mark.
I am also a Gulf War Veteran. I was in Kuwait, I saw the devastation. I will present to you AGAIN one episode that I remember very clearly today as if it happened only yesterday. When a patrol of only 4 americans, including myself, came across 85 Iraqi soldiers. Were were outgunnedand out manned, yet the Iraqis threw down their weapons and immediately surrendered.
Why would they do that you may ask. Well that was easy, they were tired, hungry, and in the case of 7 Iraqi soldiers, did not even have footgear.
The troop that I was in, did not mow them down and murder them as you would have the world beleive all american military would do. We called in a troop carrier so they would have a ride back to camp.
We gave them all of the food and water that we had with us. We gave them our second set of boots and socks so that they would have something on their feet.
No, American military are not all murderous madmen as you keep trying to shout to the world. Unfortunately, as another poster has stated earlier on this thread, you will not let the fact and evidence deter you from your campaign of hate.

[edit on 19-11-2005 by kenshiro2012]



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 10:14 AM
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War is Money.

War is Business.

War is Profit.

War is Stock Market.

Thats the War today.

And the "Little People" that Die everyday, so that the "Military Market" remains open are of no Importance to the Elite Few that make Money out of it. Nothing more.



“The defense secretary is making the case that conflicts in faraway lands such as Bosnia, Korea and Iraq have a direct effect on the U.S. economy. The billions it costs to keep 100,000 American troops in South Korea and Japan, for example, makes Asia more stable--and thus better markets for U.S. goods. The military's success in holding Iraq in check ensures a continued flow of oil from the Persian Gulf,”

The Millitary Industry Sector has alway just LOVED wars - that is their Bread and Water. They have made profits in WW1, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam War, Iraq War - and Major General Smedley Butler has proved that.

Here is something from a previous Thread of mine called
A Century Of War




In the several decades prior to World War I, the furtherance of this basic policy was in the hands of Cecil Rhodes, Alfred Lord Milner, and others, who formed a secret group called the "Round Table." This group, as recorded in its own writings, was specifically anti-German and pro-Empire.It viewed the economic strengthening of Germany in the late 1800's with alarm, and the German effort after the turn of the century to build a Baghdad-to-Berlin railway as a direct military threat, since it would provide direct German access to the Middle East's oil fields, bypassing the sea routes controlled by the British. Britain had earlier sealed off extension of the railway to the Persian Gulf by the forcible establishment of Kuwait as a "British Protectorate" to be run by the Sabah family, as at present, preventing future Central European (i.e., German) access to the southern oceans.

The war produced between 16 and 20 million deaths, mostly civilians, including a half-million British deaths. Germany was successfully cut off from Russian and Middle-Eastern oil, and the war was essentially won with Rockefeller oil from America. Following the war, Britain and France carved up the Middle East (by prior secret wartime agreement), Britain obtaining "protectorate" status over Palestine (Israel) and the important oil-producing areas, especially Iraq. Their protectorate over Palestine set the stage for their planned later creation in that area of a Jewish homeland, which intent was proclaimed to British Zionists in a letter from Britain's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Walter Lord Rothschild, representing the English Federation of Zionists.

Hmmm...

Makes you think, doesnt it?

American Economy is Based on Military Industry - and all the Past Empires were also. Nothing new. In order to maintain and keep your Empire "Secure" you must have the military supremcy.



The wealth of the ancient city-states of Venice and Genoa was based on their powerful navies, and treaties with other great powers to control trade. This evolved into nations designing their trade policies to intercept the wealth of others (mercantilism). Occasionally one powerful country would overwhelm another through interception of its wealth though a trade war, covert war, or hot war; but the weaker, less developed countries usually lose in these exchanges. It is the military power of the more developed countries that permits them to dictate the terms of trade and maintain unequal relationships.

You would think that we are moving away from the Original Topic - but it is all connected. If it wasn't for the Elite Few, who tell us what is right and what is wrong, there would be no Wars, such as the ones in Middle East. America is an Empire, and American soldiers are the Troopers of the Empire. And Americas wars are for Profit. For Money. For Oil. Not For Democracy. Or Liberty. Or Freedom.

Principles of Military Industry Complex are simple - Create Wars. The Human cost is of no Importance. The Enviromental Cost is of no Importance.

And What does American Empire do?
  • It claims to act in terms of international law; but feels free to subvert international norms whenever it wants.
  • It supports the authority of the United Nations but turns its back on the U.N. to suit its convenience.
  • It globalises trade in the name of fairness; and most unfairly usurps the major trade benefits to its own advantage.
  • It launches a war to secure the largest oil reserves in the world but pretends it fights for peace.
  • It claims to act in the name of democracy, but leaves behind battered states wherever it has gone.
  • It fights a war for peace, but makes huge profits by the sale of arms that follows.
  • Its peacekeeping results in war.
  • Its war brings no peace.
  • No sooner are its interests maintained, it leaves behind a debris of enfeebled states.
  • It is never at a loss for an effective moral attitude.


However, the US mainstream media fails to recognize this, perhaps through denial that their own nation can in fact be doing the very same things that it has helped identify, criticize and even fight others of doing, when it comes to the abuse of power. In fact, the US broke away from British colonial rule recognizing the unfairness and harshness in Imperial Britain’s policies.

Here you have yet another Ex-Marine, this time a Veteran from Vietnam War, S. Brian Willson:



The most highly decorated Marine Corps General in U.S. history, Smedley D. Butler understood all too well the real nature of the U.S. Marine Corps and U.S. foreign policy in general when he concluded after his retirement in 1931 that during his 33 years as a Marine officer operating on three continents, he served “as a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers...a gangster for capitalism” [Smedley D. Butler, “America’s Armed Forces,” Part 2, Common Sense, Vol. 4, No. 11 (Nov. 1935)]. But it seems that that understanding is easily forgotten. General A.M. Gray, former commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps, in 1990 identified threats to the United States as originating from the “underdeveloped world’s growing dissatisfaction over the gap between rich and poor nations,” creating “a fertile breeding ground for insurgencies which have the potential to jeopardize regional stability and our access to vital economic and military resources” (Marine Corps Gazette, May 1990). Gray understands the structural social and economic problems, but it apparently does not occur to him that the solution might be to directly address the injustices rather than perpetuate them with the use of military force.

This Wars today have been carefully planned infront - they are not the Result of Terrorists Attacks. The Neo-Con Cabal had it all planned before. They wanted this Wars and now they got them. There were plans for the Occupation of Gulf Region prior any events on 9-11, which the Majority of the People think were the Cause for the Invasions of Afganistan and Iraq and the current crisis in Syria and Iran.



Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President

A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure 'regime change' even before he took power in January 2001.

The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says: 'The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.'

The PNAC document supports a 'blueprint for maintaining global US pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests'.

This 'American grand strategy' must be advanced for 'as far into the future as possible', the report says. It also calls for the US to 'fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars' as a 'core mission'.

The report describes American armed forces abroad as 'the cavalry on the new American frontier'. The PNAC blueprint supports an earlier document written by Wolfowitz and Libby that said the US must 'discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role'.

See - this Marines that Speak against the War Know something; they know something you don't. They are able to Read through the Lines now. And they speak against it. That is their RIGHT. Mister Massey, Mister Smedley or Mister Willson all the the Right to Speak up against the Pro-War Lobby that Runed the Show Yesterday and is Running the show Today.


Source:
www.globalissues.org...

[edit on 19/11/05 by Souljah]



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 11:14 AM
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Ok, now we are changing trains, okay this is your thread so whatever

The premise that you used to start this thread was that the US marines were performing atrocities and murders in Iraq. This has been proven to be false. Now you wish to change tactics since that did not work. Now you want this thread to be something about how the war is for profit.... Ok, we can go down that track
As stated before the subject that you used to open this thread's rant Jimmy Massey, has been proven to be a liar. He needs help.
Butler, who is honored for his actions while in the military, then later joined the communistic causes and thus has his agenda as has been pointed out to you repeatedly (by the way, you again are refering to him as the "Most Decorated Officer" it has been pointed out to you that Butler is not the most but only one of the most. I know that it might sound like semantics but it does take a great deal from your sails


Now we have a new character that you have brought into the fray, Brian Willson he does not fit with the theme that you used to start your thread especially since he was in the US Air Force and was Not a marine.
Ok, now he does not say anything other than there maybe an economical factor to war. he does not speak about american atrocitiesso, how he fits in???
PNAC Document, Lets examine this. What and who is PNAC? It is a non profit think tank that was created in 1997 (so Clinton is in on this gig?)
What is a think tank? well here you go


A think tank is a research institute or other organization providing advice and ideas on problems of policy, commerce, and military interest, and are often associated with military laboratories, corporations, academia, or other institutions. Usually this term refers specifically to organizations which support multi-disciplinary theorists and intellectuals who endeavor to produce analysis or policy recommendations.
Notice the theorist in other words they are a group of experts who try to map out strateies of WHAT IF. Any goverment and any company does this, even you do to an extent, What if it rains, should I take an umbrella? I am sure that there is a think tank group that has outlined what should happen if the Earth was invaded by Aliens. Does that mean that the US knew the Aliens were comming or that the US new that how to defeat them? I think not dear sir

So they created a document that based on thier belief that American Dominace in the World is good for the World and America. The document outlines how American could / should do in order to meet those ends. Do you have undeniable proof that this document has indeed been followed to the letter? That it is indeed being used by Bush to conquer the world? Please provide this information. I and the world need to see it.
Then again, if that is true, and based off of your logic, the same can be said of Al Zakawi, remember, her recently outlined how, he and his group need to rid Iraq of the US, Create a Shia in Iraq, then spread his version of Islam throughout the world. Does this sound anything like what the PNAC group and document says? Hmmmm......... Makes you think.
Hey, I will beat you to the punch on this one. The Al-Zakawi document is fake. It was made by the CIA or some other group, it could not have been Al-Zakawi, Anyways, Zakawi is a CIA puppet. Right! As Long as it is anti America it is true,



This Wars today have been carefully planned infront - they are not the Result of Terrorists Attacks. The Neo-Con Cabal had it all planned before. They wanted this Wars and now they got them. There were plans for the Occupation of Gulf Region prior any events on 9-11, which the Majority of the People think were the Cause for the Invasions of Afganistan and Iraq and the current crisis in Syria and Iran.


Show proof positive of this This has been debated and debated ad nauseum and nothing credible has been put forth. Also remember your buddy OBL took credit for it.... ow wait, he is another CIA puppet right?




See - this Marines that Speak against the War Know something; they know something you don't. They are able to Read through the Lines now. And they speak against it. That is their RIGHT. Mister Massey, Mister Smedley or Mister Willson all the the Right to Speak up against the Pro-War Lobby that Runed the Show Yesterday and is Running the show Today.


Well, since you have not added any new marine confessions to your thread other than Massey (Liar) and Butler (decorated officer turned communist), I really do not know how to answer that one, unless of course I have missed something



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