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Confessions of a Marine

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posted on Nov, 3 2005 @ 07:04 PM
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If he did what he says he did, should he not be tried as a war criminal and murderer?

Souljah, every man has their freedom of choice...If this man was truely this terrible, why are you defending him and attacking the US government when it is our government that does not condone these actions?

Focus your attention on this man, and ask why he is not tried and convicted as a war criminal.




posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 01:47 AM
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This story is from early 2004. Massey has been long ago shown to have made up much of his combat "history", including his accusation of his commanders ordering them to toss candy out and shoot the children that run to it.

Except this little bit of outrage...is actually an old running cadence from the 60's 70's and 80's (before we went stupidly PC with our Jody calls), called "Napalm sticks to children" (hey, its a motivator, OK?).

So Master-sergeant jimmy (except he was an E6, not an E8) was called a "Chief-sergeant" by some Captain in the Corps? HAHAHAHHAHAHAAA! Best one so far!! Just so you know....ain't no such critter in any US military service.

Beyond belief. This guy is a poser, crybaby, liar, and has next to NO credibility. After one has removed himself from the service, you are free to express your thoughts, opinions, worries, accusations, and lies to your hearts content. No-one will stop you, arrest you, take you out back, or make you disappear. That only a French publicist would touch this pile of pulp fiction, says volumes about Mr. Massey.

Oh yeah, the World Socialists think he's really swell.

puhleese.



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 02:22 AM
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I believe the reason for this ex-USMC guy not getting enough credit and credibility for his stories is because he is not established enough. He is, still, just the regular Joe in everyone's eyes. Make that a regular Marine Joe. Furthermore, many established writers who are pro-Iraq War and believes that whatever the Bushie Administration did is justified, doesn't seem to get the heat of anti-war from anybody. This very much proves that you have to be well established to be accepted. Being a Marine and seeing the horrors of war/abuse just doesn't cut it these days.

For you pro-war people,

Anti War Student Strike by University of Michigan on 2003



The University of Michigan:
· Declare opposition to the war
· Disclose and eliminate military research contracts
· Restore the Kill-Maim clause to apply to all research conducted at the
University: "The University shall not enter into any contract for which a foreseeable application or purpose is to destroy human life or to incapacitate human beings."
· Declare that the campus will not host the newly proposed Army Biotechnology Center


So I'd take it that these kids don't know what they're talking about? They haven't even step into a battlefield so what do they know? Right? Wrong. Even people who sees the battlefield from the peephole can know alot more than the ones slaughtering innocents in the battlefield.

Not that I'm saying this ex-USMC guy is a fake but it's just that his views could be biased and that he made up half of the story. Unless he has sufficient hardcore evidence to back his claim, I don't think it's in anyway credible. Moreover, the fact that he is profiteering from his claims just makes it more corny. I don't see the late Mother Theresa making money out of the horrors of life she saw when she's still alive do you?

Sorry.

[edit on 4/11/05 by Heartagram]



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 03:44 AM
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Souljah, tyour response to my post is typical, you try and throw off your assertions of un-checked "facts" by trying to throw the light on Bush.

I assure you, his stupidity doesn't stop others from having their own.
The rest of yor "responses" deserves no response.

Heartagram, those who do not agree with your anti-American stances across the board are not "pro-war". Refrain from such labels, please, as it makes your vision appear a tad myopic. There seems to be enough myopia going around without a new member catching that disease.



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Heartagram, those who do not agree with your anti-American stances across the board are not "pro-war". Refrain from such labels, please, as it makes your vision appear a tad myopic. There seems to be enough myopia going around without a new member catching that disease.


Anti-American? Please, I don't hate America. I hate some Americans. So do you see me proclaiming proudly that I hate America? No. I hate some Americans--Bush and Americans who becomes a fond supporter of the ever blind and unjust Bush. Furthermore, about me labeling people as "pro-war" is just a referral to those who sees the Iraq War as justified and supports it. You can go ahead and call me "anti-war" people because I am against the war whether everyone likes it or not. There's nothing wrong with that.

I'm not being rude, just defending my stance.



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
Souljah, every man has their freedom of choice...If this man was truely this terrible, why are you defending him and attacking the US government when it is our government that does not condone these actions?

Because they US Goverment SENT him to downtown Baghadad with the Training he received as a Marines to do the Dirty Job. They gave the Order, but he had to follow them.

They only thing that your goverment does not "condone" is the truth about war in Iraq to come out. They do not want the People to see, whats the real deal on the Battlefield. They wants YOU to see their picture - that war in Iraq is a Brillian Strategic Success, that everybody is Happy.

Truth is, that things are much more complicated then they are shown.

And suddenly, this Ex-Marines becomes an enemy of the State, just because he wrote his Experience in a book.

And everybody loved him when he was following orders and keeping his mouth shut.

Semper Fi!


TC and Army - I understand what you guys are doing. Just protecting what is left of your Country. It's pretty simple - if the REAL Truth about war in Iraq and other little secrets of Bush administration would come out today, all hell would break loose, and IMHO the entire democratic society would start to disintigrate within days - remember Katrina Aftermath?

[edit on 4/11/05 by Souljah]



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
- if the REAL Truth about war in Iraq and other little secrets of Bush administration would come out today, all hell would break loose, and IMHO the entire democratic society would start to disintigrate within days - remember Katrina Aftermath?

O yeah I remember how it was reported. All the raping and killing in the Super Dome. There were piles of bodies in the stadium that no one would touch. Things spiraled down to pure barbaric conditions.....

No, most of the reporting was pure speculation and hype. As it turns out hardly any of what was said by reporters who were there turned out to be true. It was hyped for the pure purpose of making the government look bad and raising the ratings of their shows.

Great comparison there Souljah. Much like the on-the-scene reporters, this marine may have been there, but his story is pure hype, speculation, and partly fiction. Stories of soldiers throwing out candy so they can shoot children who come get it is the stuff that urban legends are made of.



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 09:45 AM
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Rather than go on a rant about Jim Massey, I'll let each member draw their own conclusions.

www.usatoday.com...

Dismissed.



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah


You mean like the "Evidence" that Saddam had WMDs?

He did have them
You cant deny that, what you can deny and rant about is the fact that they where NOT deployable but where being destroyed and some where forgotten about in caches..

Its fun interpretation and saying ONE side of the story isnt it ?



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 12:44 PM
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Great, another post with little or no research to go along with it.

First of all, he was a SSG (Staff SGT) in the Corps, not a master. There is a difference.

Second, no one mentioned the fact that he was diagnosed with PTSD. Kind of makes you wonder what he actually does remember of his time there.

Third, this guy is paid handsomely to speak at anti-war events. Wonder if greed is a motivating factor to him. Wonder how much of that money he makes is sent back to the people of Iraq?



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by COOL HAND
First of all, he was a SSG (Staff SGT) in the Corps, not a master. There is a difference.

Second, no one mentioned the fact that he was diagnosed with PTSD. Kind of makes you wonder what he actually does remember of his time there.


First, this book was written in French, a language suited better to the art of surrender, than the art of war.

Second, who cares about the PTSD? This guy caved while on recruiter duty in 1999! Pre Bush, pre 9/11, pre Iraq war. This pathetic excuse for a Marine was diagnosed with depression prior to his "experiences" in Iraq, real or imagined. Please refer to my previously provided link which outlined this for details.

This piece of marine mammal excrement is a disgrace.

Dismissed.



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 02:20 PM
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Major Discrepancy,

Are you also one of Many Military (or X-Military) Personell?



posted on Nov, 4 2005 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah


Truth is, that things are much more complicated then they are shown.

And suddenly, this Ex-Marines becomes an enemy of the State, just because he wrote his Experience in a book.

And everybody loved him when he was following orders and keeping his mouth shut.




Souljah, you're not getting it. I'll not condemn the man for going, I salute him for actually being a Marine and doing his duty AS HE VOLUNTEERED for.

But that's where the accolades end.

His "story" does not have any backing from anyone else that was there. One story (the kids and candy) is preposterous at best. NO officer, regardless of service affiliation, would make such an order EVER....especially when Mr. Massey says they had a embedded reporter the whole time! As already pointed out, the "toss out some candy and mow the children down" is a running cadence long popular from the 60's 70's and early 80's.

If ONE of his stories can be so easily shown to be a lie, then the rest of his "history" is terrifically suspect also. As pointed out, he claims PTSD from his recruiting days...how tough and dangerous could that be? His GSA sedan didn't have AC or a CD player?---ooooh, the sacrifice.

Regardless of my correct
opinions of Bush or the war, I take the facts as presented about this guy. He is a turd, a proven liar, and scammer.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by skippytjc
And of course the uter predictability of your typical content.


Oh the irony!



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 12:54 AM
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I hope America kills every man, woman and child in Iraq, down to the lizards.

USA! USA!



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Because they US Goverment SENT him to downtown Baghadad with the Training he received as a Marines to do the Dirty Job. They gave the Order, but he had to follow them.


This is the most inane argument I have ever heard.

The US government sent him to Iraq with orders to throw candy in the street and gun children down?


No where in Marine training is there any sort of training for killing kids.

This is just another pathetic attempt by you and the extreme left to take shots at our government and nation.

It's pathetic.


They only thing that your goverment does not "condone" is the truth about war in Iraq to come out. They do not want the People to see, whats the real deal on the Battlefield. They wants YOU to see their picture - that war in Iraq is a Brillian Strategic Success, that everybody is Happy.


And what exactly is "the real deal"? I know a LOT of people over in Iraq. Not a single one of them has expressed ANY concern over the way the war is going.


And suddenly, this Ex-Marines becomes an enemy of the State, just because he wrote his Experience in a book.


He's a liar, pure and simple, trying to make a buck...And if he isn't, he is worse then a liar - a murderer - and should be put to death for his actions.

Either way you swing it, THERE IS NO REASON TO DEFEND HIS ACTIONS.

So which is it? Is he a liar or a murderer?



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 04:23 AM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
This is the most inane argument I have ever heard.

The US government sent him to Iraq with orders to throw candy in the street and gun children down?


The Army follows the orders from the Goverment.

The Soldiers follow the orders from the Army.

Soliders are therefore, puppets of the Goverment.

And Goverment sent them to Iraq to "Clean the Place Up".

Wars are Dirty and Filthy and I am sure that several Civilans were killed in Gunfires across Iraq. No doubt about it.



This is just another pathetic attempt by you and the extreme left to take shots at our government and nation.

I do not have a problems with Your Nation - but I do have a BIG Problem with your goverment, and I am not the Only one.



And what exactly is "the real deal"? I know a LOT of people over in Iraq. Not a single one of them has expressed ANY concern over the way the war is going.

Yea, that's why they still have their Jobs.

If you would speak badly over your "Boss" - in this case Goverment of the United States - I do not think you would work very long.

And still, it is NOT a soldiers Job to Think - but to Kill.



He is a liar, pure and simple, trying to make a buck...And if he isn't, he is worse then a liar - a murderer - and should be put to death for his actions.

How do you know that?

Were you there with him?

Did you see the world in his Eyes?

Or are you just blindly defending your goverment, thinking how innocent and spotless they are, like the blessed Virgin Mary.



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by American Mad Man
This is the most inane argument I have ever heard.

The US government sent him to Iraq with orders to throw candy in the street and gun children down?


The Army follows the orders from the Goverment.

The Soldiers follow the orders from the Army.

Soliders are therefore, puppets of the Goverment.

And Goverment sent them to Iraq to "Clean the Place Up".

Wars are Dirty and Filthy and I am sure that several Civilans were killed in Gunfires across Iraq. No doubt about it.

Funny he wasnt in the army, you need to find some more info on armed forces before you hate them mate.
Every armed force in the world seems to be "the army" to you.
A) the army follows ROE it will not execute civilians
b) If a soldier or any armed forces men breaks those ROE they go to jail.



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 04:47 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
Funny he wasnt in the army, you need to find some more info on armed forces before you hate them mate.
Every armed force in the world seems to be "the army" to you.
A) the army follows ROE it will not execute civilians
b) If a soldier or any armed forces men breaks those ROE they go to jail.

Its the same Crap to me.

Are you trying to say, that:

A) the Army did not kill and civilan in Iraq? When bombing a House with SUSPECTED Terrorists, and the result is 40 dead Civilans - what is that called? A mistake? An error?

B) So, you think that the Army will not protect their people, until the end?



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 05:48 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
The Army follows the orders from the Goverment.

The Soldiers follow the orders from the Army.

Soliders are therefore, puppets of the Goverment.

And Goverment sent them to Iraq to "Clean the Place Up".


So you honestly this man was given explicit orders to kill innocent civilians, and that these orders came from out side of the armed services? From the civilian government?


Wars are Dirty and Filthy and I am sure that several Civilans were killed in Gunfires across Iraq. No doubt about it.


I agree with that, no matter how technologically advanced our military and how good our soldiers are, there will be people killed who were innocent.



Yea, that's why they still have their Jobs.


How would they lose their jobs by telling me anything? I was friends with most of these guys before they ever joined the military - some for over 10 years, and I certainly would not call up the government and "tell on them" for saying the war wasn't going well.



If you would speak badly over your "Boss" - in this case Goverment of the United States - I do not think you would work very long.


Oh yeah, because no one has ever talked about their boss behind their bosses back.


Seriously, if this were the case, 99% of the world would be unemployed


And still, it is NOT a soldiers Job to Think - but to Kill.


BS. That is your warped view.



How do you know that?


Because either he is not telling the truth, or he is. And if he is telling the truth, THEN HE IS A BLOODY MURDERER.


Or are you just blindly defending your goverment, thinking how innocent and spotless they are, like the blessed Virgin Mary.




Firstly, I am not one to think my government is spotless, and does no wrong.

Secondly, I am not defending a thing, I am attacking the alligations of this man because frankly, HE'S EITHER A LIAR OR A MURDERER, and either way I have nothing but contempt for him.



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