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5 Years of republican rule has brought us what?

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posted on Nov, 2 2005 @ 09:31 PM
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Republicans have done nothing in 5 years of verual ownership of the US government.

I used to lean right but the right has completely wasted 5 years. In fact you have made things much worse in most areas and achieved nothing.

You brought us

Wars and death
Highest Oil prices in History
Worst US world relations in recent history.
Complete and uter failure of FEMA.
Soon to raise my taxes by removing my Home loan tax brake.
Disfunctional stock market.
More dangerous enemies than ever.
The N Korean Nuke.
The largest budget deficits in history of the world.
Done nothing for social security.
Health care costs are sky rocketing so is insurance.
Current leadership will not take responcibility for failures. Buck stops no were in this administration. The buck gets manipulated.

Why would I vote for another Republican over Hillary?

I mean Bill Clinton had sex and lied about it but he didnt cause thousands of deaths based on very weak intelligence.

Hey, maybe just maybe Hillary really dont care if Bill has a lil fun on the side. Why is it anyones buisness besides their own and who made you the morality policy? Hitler maybe? he had ideals as well did'nt he? Your church beliefs do not apply in a free nation except for you and yours.

What we do with our privates is our own buisness as long as it isnt hurting anyone.

If I had made the mistake of taking america to war and discovered I blundered the decision based on poor inteligence. I would appologize and resign in discrace. America deserves better than that and I have integrity enough to admit a huge miscalculation.

When Soldiers die it becomes a whole lot more than a political mistake.

A President needs to take responcibility for his actions even when its a massive blunder.

I know better. We didnt go into Iraq because of a war on terror. We wnet their to remove Saddam and WMD.

I see change on the horizon. I think Ameirca will lose faith in the republicans as you have been inept and worse for more than 5 long years.

Cant say the Dems have any better ideas either though.

[edit on 2-11-2005 by Xeven]




posted on Nov, 3 2005 @ 11:41 AM
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Wow, after the closed Seanate, the republicans ranted, and one of the leaders, Frist I believe said "The left wing liberals have no convictions" Its like well duh of course they don't, none of them were taken to court for exsposing a CIA agent you idiot.



posted on Nov, 3 2005 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by Xeven
Wars and death

Clinton brought us Kosovo - which was NO threat to
the USA or our allies at all. There were terrorist attacks
when Clinton was in office, as well as when Carter was
in office. Always has been, always will be. Kennedy
and Johnson gave us the big body counts in Vietnam.
Republican Nixon ended that. Wars cross party lines.


Highest Oil prices in History

Yep, and Hillary is going to make them HIGHER -
dougpowers.blogspot.com...


Worst US world relations in recent history.

The world hates us. They are jealous of us. Who cares? Not me.


Complete and uter failure of FEMA.

That was a mess BEFORE 'W' took over.
It'll be a mess long after Hillary takes over.


Soon to raise my taxes by removing my Home loan tax brake.

Which sux if it goes through. But like I said .. the DEMS and Hillary
will raise your taxes much more. Oh ... and there is that little thing
called the TAX BREAK that Bush has been giving you back your tax
money for the past few years ... remember that?


Disfunctional stock market.

The stock market has always gone up and down.


More dangerous enemies than ever.

If you are referring to radical muslim extremist terrorists -
they were there during Clinton's years too. USS COLE, the
first World Trade Center Bombing, the embassies in Africa ...
The enemies are only getting more dangerous because the
weapons are getting more sophisticated. They have always
been there .. there aren't 'more' now.


The N Korean Nuke.

Which was there during the Clinton years. He tried to buy
them with deals - deals that he failed to verify. The nukes
were being built during Clintons years.


The largest budget deficits in history of the world.

Don't know about that. Gotta' check.


Done nothing for social security.

The dems haven't done anything for social security either.
The republicans suggested private investment, which means
they are trying to come up with something. (I don't like private
investment for social security). But name one thing the dems
have come up with? Nothing.


Health care costs are sky rocketing so is insurance.

And they did under Clinton as well. Hillary's health care plan stunk
so it went no where. NEither dems or republicans have come up
with anything useful.


Current leadership will not take responcibility for failures.
Buck stops no were in this administration. The buck gets manipulated.

And this is different then the dems .. how? "I didn't have sexual relations
with that woman, monica lewinski" ... Filegate, Rosegate, etc. etc. Clinton
didn't take responsibilitiy for his errors, or for putting himself in a
blackmailable position (his many affairs, his telling lies under oath in a
sexual harrassment suit)


I mean Bill Clinton had sex and lied about it but he
didnt cause thousands of deaths based on very weak intelligence.

That's just because he got lucky.


A President needs to take responcibility for his actions even
when its a massive blunder.

Sure. Find a viable candidate democrat that will do that.
Not Hillary.



posted on Nov, 3 2005 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by Xeven

Why would I vote for another Republican over Hillary?

I mean Bill Clinton had sex and lied about it but he didnt cause thousands of deaths based on very weak intelligence.


Personally I would vote third party ticket or independant depending on who's best suited for the job of el presideno.

Hillary seemed to be campaigning at the rosa parks funeral yesterday, getting her face out there is very important you know for the 08 elections she said she had no intention of participating in. But then again, she wouldn't really answer the question, she said no, then she wasn't going to say.. I mean have some pride in yourself stop wondering which way the winds blows and take a stand. WHy would I vote for somebody like that? Not true leadership imo, not to mention the disrespect i think she showed at the funeral yesterday by showing up to show herself off... kerry too.

if america is going to ever have substantial change it's because people in this country are going to stop voting the two corporate parties in. They aren't even going to give them a second thought. Other parties will be a the forefront and the big two will take a back seat as they've done absolutely nothing to improve this country. The governments gotten bigger, not smaller, liberals would turn this into a quasi socialist country, and the repugnants would turn it into a quasi fascist state like they've already done.

Vote your hearts out, but don't give them away to a party undeserving of your vote.



posted on Nov, 3 2005 @ 12:23 PM
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Agree with third party candidate. Sorry man Bush and the pubs have had 5 years to fix all your proposed Clinton mistakes. Your acting just like the administration and blaming everyone else. Bottom line is the republicans have wasted 5 years. They have had the presidency and all the votes needed to pass nearly anything yet nothing is improved. In fact as I stated before. America is definately not better today than it was when Bush took office 5 years ago.

The great thing is you have 3 more years to make up for it. Are you going to do anything usefull or just keeping pointing back to Clinton for 3 more wastefull years?

When does the problems you say Clinton caused over 5 years ago become President Bush's administrations responcibility?

I mean at some point Bush has got to take responcibility for our country. I always thought that started on swearing in but to hear you right wingers explain it it will be Clintons fault for the next century.



posted on Nov, 3 2005 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
The world hates us. They are jealous of us. Who cares? Not me.


I see you've strayed very far from Franklin's idea's of good relations with the world and entangling alliances with none.. The world isn't jealous of this country, not the state that it's in right now, what's to be jealous of exactly?

Please elaborate on that point.





That was a mess BEFORE 'W' took over.
It'll be a mess long after Hillary takes over.


Bush didn't help matters anymore by appointing republican voter's and people who worked on his campaign trail.



Soon to raise my taxes by removing my Home loan tax brake.
Which sux if it goes through. But like I said .. the DEMS and Hillary
will raise your taxes much more. Oh ... and there is that little thing
called the TAX BREAK that Bush has been giving you back your tax
money for the past few years ... remember that?


But but but but but... but diverting attention away from the current administraton and holding them unaccountable for irresponsible decision making doesn't make your stance stronger, and reinforces the original poster's opinion that 5 years of this admin has brought us nothing but downers. Hillary 'will' raise this and that quite possible, but thats a side issue...

That's in the future, the issue at hand right now is the removal of the 'current' home loan tax break, if you cannot comment on the current issue without bringing future hillary into the discussion why even bother to comment?


weapons are getting more sophisticated. They have always
been there .. there aren't 'more' now.


I recall generals over in Iraq commenting on how there are 'more' insurgents then when the Iraq 'war' perse, started, your opinion is just that. I can pull many quotes from these generals about Iraq getting worse if you want me to.



Which was there during the Clinton years. He tried to buy
them with deals - deals that he failed to verify. The nukes
were being built during Clintons years.


Clinton sold North Korea nuke Technology didn't he?
That sob, he should be charged with something along the lines of treason for giving technology away that weakened this countries security.




The largest budget deficits..
Don't know about that. Gotta' check.


Here's some help: [def] The amount by which a sum of money falls short of the required or expected amount; a shortage: large budget deficits.

And so now we're in debt up to our eye balls, and thats why you hear dems talking about how their children and their children will be paying for this for their whole lives.

This is a good article of different kinds of ways a government deals with deficits and the implications it has on the country if irresponsible decision making plays a role.

A long term US deficit


Done nothing for social security.
The dems haven't done anything for social security either.
The republicans suggested private investment, which means
they are trying to come up with something. (I don't like private
investment for social security). But name one thing the dems
have come up with? Nothing.


First of all, the original intent on having social security is not the intent on what it's being used for today, private investment should be enforced as it's individual people's hard working money! A democratic president got the idea that people should have the government take care of their money before they reach retirement thus creating the 'fund' ... As if people aren't smart enough to save their own money?!! cheese whiz.



The rest of your arument is still diverting attention away from this current admin, I will not comment further.

To the poster who started this thread,

I do agree Bush and his colleagues haven't done anything substantial in the last 5 years, he's declared himself the war president and that's been his main focus since he's been in. He's lived up to his words, while we're liberating people over seas the opposite seems to be taking place in this country. While rebuilding is going on over seas, our economy seems to be on rocky ground, our interest rates or sky rocketing, our homes are costing more to heat this winter, 30% more then last year, our cars are costing us more to run.
People in Iraq seem to have it better then American's right now, apart from the bombs going off on their street corners.

Where is Bush's priorities? Sure it's great for the citizenry of Iraq, but America is #1, why are we getting put on the backburner. Not we as in individuals, but the issues we face at home.

It's shameful to say the least, and I have no doubt in my mind this election was bought, and those diebold machines helped along in the process.



posted on Nov, 3 2005 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by TrueLies
but diverting attention away from the current administraton and
holding them unaccountable .... Hillary 'will' raise this and that
quite possible, but thats a side issue...


Nope. I'm not 'diverting' anything. The only reason I brought
up Hillary and the Clintons was because the author of the thread
did. It sounds like Xeven is considering voting for Hillary because
he/she is fed up with G.W. I pointed out that even voting for
Hillary won't change anything. She's ALREADY saying she's going
to raise taxes and make gas at the pump cost more and she hasn't
been elected yet (she will be). When Hillary gets in it will be
more of the same ... just it will be wrapped in a different package.



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 05:08 AM
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Answer the question Flyersfan. What exactly is the world jealous of you for?

I cant believe after all this time you still throw that immature BS out there to try and bolster your case. How old are you? Really, how old are you?



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by Xeven
Republicans have done nothing in 5 years of verual ownership of the US government.

I used to lean right but the right has completely wasted 5 years. In fact you have made things much worse in most areas and achieved nothing.


Let's not look at the rhetoric, but a little of cold facts. Below is from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and you can see the job creation that republicans have gained.





Wars and death


Has there ever been a president where one serviceman didn't die while they were in office? I can't name one off the top of my head.



Highest Oil prices in History


"Even corrected for inflation, oil prices are well below the peak they hit in 1981. Nominal oil prices reached $35 a barrel, but in today's dollars that translates to $76 (using the overall CPI)." (www.businessweek.com...)




Can anyone guess what party the president was until 1981?



Worst US world relations in recent history.


That's a bit relative. It could be argued that we had bad world relations during WWII; having declared war on multiple countries isn't exactly a testimony towards diplomacy.



Complete and uter failure of FEMA.


I disagree. With respect to government, I believe that local government can and should handle most of the emergency related affairs themselves. If we leave it to the federal government, then we might as well use military for disasters (per Bush). FEMA's organization was to help the local governments care for disasters, not be the local governments during disasters. Whereas, martial law more or less allows the military to be the local government.



Disfunctional stock market.


Yes, we all know that the federal government controls private investors and tells them when and how to sell. *removes tongue from cheek*



More dangerous enemies than ever.


I'm glad to see you think N. Korea is more dangerous than the axis powers. Or communist Russia.



The largest budget deficits in history of the world.


Hah, get out some. Check out the deficits by governments in central America and Africa.



Done nothing for social security.


I share that criticism. I wish they would just remove the stupid program.



Health care costs are sky rocketing so is insurance.


I've been to government run healthcare, and it wasn't very impressive. One way to keep health insurance low is to require everyone to become more healthy. It's an option, I suppose.



Current leadership will not take responcibility for failures. Buck stops no were in this administration. The buck gets manipulated.


Didn't Bush publically take responsibility for a few things in speeches?


Personally, I think republicans have become gutless. They are afraid of highly heatedl ideas that are in their beliefs. If a vast majority of them believe Roe vs. Wade should be overturned, then they should put a judge in place especially for that. Since when has a fillabuster become such an issue? Did that stop civil rights legislation?

What happened to attempts to get a marriage amendment through? Why did they not even continue to put pressure on such a measure? Why did their social security plan fall apart? Their opposition is in the minority, yet that minority dominates them.

Both parties whine and complain, but at least the democrats, when in power, know how to push their ideologies -- especially historically. After the great depression, what did a democrat president do? The new deal, which changed the whole economic dynamic. After 9/11? .. How many of you really see the patriot act in your daily lives?




[edit on 5-11-2005 by radardog]



posted on Nov, 5 2005 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by Xeven
I mean Bill Clinton had sex and lied about it but he didnt cause thousands of deaths based on very weak intelligence.

Er, 911???

Normally I'd say that no one saw 911 comming and it was best to just not worry about the blame for it either way, but, really, bush is super evil because we have a war with perhaps the lowest casualty rate in the history of wars, but clinton is blameless?


The N Korean Nuke.

Uhmm, hold up. This is directly the result of Clinton. He made a deal with the NK government to give it tons of food as part of an agreement wherein they wouldn't research teh bomb, then sat by while it developed the bomb. How the hell is this bush's fault???

And, er, if we hit pyongyang with a nuke strike today and invaded and were involved in a long slogging manchu war with millions of causualties.....would you be complaining about that also? I mean, which is it, that bush is attacking the enemies of teh US or that he's not attacking them that is the problem???

[edit on 5-11-2005 by Nygdan]



posted on Nov, 21 2005 @ 02:56 PM
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Clinton Clinton Clinton...


Jesus christ almighty, were any of you people complaining of his mishandlings back then? Sure these things take time to realize the cause and effect, but it just seems a little too convenient to me.

Only thing I heard for years was monica lewinsky jokes, and now people start pointing the finger at your guy you have to take action.



posted on Nov, 21 2005 @ 03:08 PM
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Maybe its about time, you guys stop blaming Clintons administration and Bush's aswell and start thinking on how you can improve your country. 2008 is your next presidental election and you should start considering now who is best to run your country and who can improve it. Maybe its about time you picked an alternative to the main two parties? try a third party?



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 07:54 PM
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That is it! I am tired of all this bickering about which administration did this, which one did that, blah blah blah. The only thing that Clinton lied about was that he lied about staining a dress. Bush lied to the American people as for a reason why to go to war with Iraq. The Nation Of Iraq was NEVER a threat to the security of this "great" country of mine and yours. As for 9-11, it was a job that bush and his buds helped perpetrate!

End of Rant!
Vote Nader in '08!



posted on Jun, 25 2006 @ 10:40 AM
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5 Years of Republican rule is fixing 8 years of Democrat rule which led us directly to the attacks of 9/11/01.

An action President is better than a do-nothing President!

[edit on 25-6-2006 by Carseller4]



posted on Jul, 10 2006 @ 11:56 PM
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I like that little ignore button. I find it hard to believe anyone still defends the one who sold your childrens futured to the Enrons and Haliburtons. The most unpatriotic 5 years in office ever held.
Dumb things heard lately from a senior: "It's because of Hillary that the drug plan is a mess and outrageously expensive. " Jeeze, who put this load of crap through congress, It started on the desk of GWB #*&@%#$

What's coming next: Home foreclosures: The noecon banks did this in the 80s and just set up millions of homeowners to take the fall. Thats what this administration has brought us. I heard this from a staunch republican supporter who was laughing about it. What has happened is people were baited into variable rate refi's that are now rising. The banks knew this and just lured people into signing over their precious assets, thier warm comfortable beds to raise their families. With high debt that was mostly on unsecure loans, it as a way to shift that liabilty to tangible property. Now it's where they want it and all they have to do is sit back until the rates rise enough to start the foreclosures. During the 90s we saw the largest rise in home ownership since the 50s and 60s. Those numbers were from 0.4 to 0.9 percent per year, this data is out there in the statistics. Since 2000 it has dropped to .1 to .5 percent but the data won't be out for a while. I'm seeing a trend where for the first time in decades this number will go negative. I remember GWB using the phrase "Home Ownership is at an all time high" 2004 campaigne speech. Well yes this number has risen annually for decades but not as fast in this administration.
Censorhip of free speech and assembly. Religious interference of civil liberties and government. Speaking of the Pat Robinsons and Roy Moores.
Corruption at the upper levels of government, treaty violations, human rights violations and a disrespect for the peoples of other lands.



posted on Jul, 11 2006 @ 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by Mailman
Clinton Clinton Clinton...


Jesus christ almighty, were any of you people complaining of his mishandlings back then? Sure these things take time to realize the cause and effect, but it just seems a little too convenient to me.

Only thing I heard for years was monica lewinsky jokes, and now people start pointing the finger at your guy you have to take action.



well, ya, there were a few murmerings back then about a few things...unfortuanately they were usually drowned out by stories of red dresses and cigars. which kind of tells me that BOTH parties want these mistakes to be made, and they were hoping they could be hidden from the people long enough to work their magic.
I'm with the others, it's time to remove both parties from power!!

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I've been to government run healthcare, and it wasn't very impressive. One way to keep health insurance low is to require everyone to become more healthy. It's an option, I suppose.
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just how do you require everyone to become more healthy?? you're sounding like you're a cross between a democrat and a danged talibani gone off the deep end...

what are we gonna have the fat patrol raiding the donut shops.....just think what the reaction at the local cop shop would be to that one!!

here's an alternative suggestion, we're overpopulated, and the aging generation is going to be a massive burden on their children....just let people die!! It might seem cruel or maybe even inhumane, but by God at least we'll be living free!



posted on Jul, 11 2006 @ 09:52 AM
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If we want to do this right dawnstar we need to require all old people to move to one place, you hit, say, 70, you get shipped to FLorida or something.

Then block it off, leave them there, and when the next Hurricane comes make sure Bush is in power so FEMA won't arrive until a week later and look at that, no more old people. Either blown away in hurricane or died waiting for rescue.

Now I know what you're thinking, well not that many people died in New Orleans, but look at who lived! Young, fit, 20-30 some people. If they were all 70+ guess what? Would have needed dump trucks to haul all the bodies.

But only if you want to get serious about the old people problem.

Hmmm, 5 years sure have brought us a lot of material.
2000 Elections Stolen Conspiracies

9/11 Conspiracies
And to CarSeller4, you think Truth and Justice are Anti-American so won't really listen to you anymore. You do know that Bush went on vacation, even when the FBI told him OBL was going to attack with airplanes on August 6th? He didn't warn anyone like Germany, England, France, Israel, Japan, so forth did. Why do you think so few foreigners died? Because their leaders warned them of an attack coming, Bush? He was playing golf, clearing brush, and having trouble reading a book to 5 year olds.

Plame Gate

The Gay Prostitute hired by Bush&Co to take up time during Press COnferences

FEMA disaster which leads to the Cronyism in the WHiteHouse, I mean, a Arabian Horse Judge? At least get someone who was a life guard or something
2004 Stolen Elections Conspiracies

Abu Ghraib, and everything surrounding it, like torture, abuse, rape, murder, raping of children, raping of women then executing the whole family, so forth

Iraq in general, I mean, how did we get there? Lying about WMDs when the only things even close to being dangerous were, well wait, they weren't dangerous. The only mustard gas was sold to Saddam by Donald Rumsfeld and GHWB, and so old it wasn't dangerous. When one was used in a IED the explosion did more damage, which was easy as the mustard gas did none

Saudi Conspiracy, More then 80% of the hijackers were Saudi, they have horrible human rights record to surpass Saddams, sponsor terrorism, yet Bandar Bush, as his nickname is in Saudi Arabia, won't go after them

Wiretapping Private Citizens, like ACLU, John McCain, and Greenpeace

Torture, not just at Abu Ghraib but at 6 'Black' Prisons in Eastern Europe, and at Gitmo

Tax Cuts.... For the Rich

Oil Companies Gouging Prices with no concern for punishment as there are several Oil Men and Women in the Whitehouse, one with a Oil Tanker named after them

Pentagon "losing" a
TRILLION
dollars when it got to Halliburton

More then 100,000 acres of new wetlands! By changing the definition of a wetland. That's right, according to the new definition of a wetland ditches, ponds(man made and natural) pools, any body of water longer then 20 feet, are wetlands. So the streets of New Orleans were new wetlands!



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