Originally posted by Saphronia
Vagabond: What the document dump was that? Your post is long
Yeah, I was a little taken aback when I took a second look at it. I ought not have responded to you quote by quote- I should have condensed your
statements and responded in general.
As for your respsonse, it contradicts your attitude. You claim to be fully integrated, yet you cry racism at every turn. I understand that it would be
nice if we could paint all Americans the same color, but this remains a very diverse country, and with diverse people often come diverse living
situations, and with that comes diverse political interests.
Now there are successful blacks and there is white trash- both in great numbers (and more than a few of each friends of mine at one point or another).
That does not change the fact that blacks, like any demographic group, are statistically more likely to encounter certain problems and need certain
issues addressed, even though those concerns do not apply to every African American.
While you seem to give some credence to my belief that most groups and their interests are marginalized within their normal party of choice, you
maintain that they still get their day in congress the same as anyone else. This is true, and that position has both a strong virtue and a dangerous
drawback. On the one hand, respect for the democratic process is important to the extent that respecting the law of the land as set down by the
majority does not infringe ones most basic rights (and few can claim that their rights are so infringed in most cases). On the other hand, one must
not foresake the idea of manuevering for greater efficacy within the system. Our democratic process is imperfect- one is only even nearly equal once
one has seized the initiative to get his concern its day in congress.
Many political agendas which the mean of African Americans, Christians, any other group would favor would seem unwise or disadvantageous to me, and I
would oppose them within the political process if they promised to affect me negatively, however I have no problem with, and to a certain extent
encourage those groups to attempt to enhance their stake in the process to the extent which can be justly done. I may disagree with them, but I'd
respect their initiative, because I don't like complacent rulers, and the people ostensibly rule here.
Republicans very clearly are quite blamable for their failure to address the concerns of blacks. There are two sides to this. One one hand, they
weren't elected on those issues, in fact they were almost kept out on those issues. On the other hand, Bushies do make a big fuss about putting down
people who claim that he's not their president, so presumably if he is everyone's president he should seek to resolve matters to Pareto
This does however ignore that there are underpreforming state governments under Democratic control, that there are Democratic congressmen who vote
"the wrong way", etc.
The concept itself is reinforced by the fact that many Republicans can't get their concerns addressed even while the party controls the federal
You ask if I would assert that white people form groups of common interest. You'd have been better to ask not if I would, but if I have. I DO assert
such groupings among white people, particularly the Republican base of evangelical white wannabe bourgoise. I don't like them, but they do have
common interests on average and could get their party to do more about them if it weren't for the fact that they had already checked the registration
box on their voter registration card and signed in blood.
Your difficulty with my assertion as you understand it makes sense, but you seem to have mentioned a couple of things. First, I do not assert that ALL
blacks have the exact same interest, nor do I assert that of any group. Second, even those who find themselves outside of the average sometimes share
common interests for one reason or another. Even you do not deny these common interests, you only try to sidestep it by adding a qualifiers that I
never asserted, namely "ALL" and "ONLY".
I still say, its not racist for black folk to call other black folk out for supporting the racist republican party.
I love to close on an ironic note, and I think this fits. You just got done asserting that blacks don't have a common interest to be grouped by, but
then you assert that it's fair game to call a black person out because they shouldn't be a Republican. I thought blacks were fully integrated- then
why do you at the same time believe that they have no place in the political party which currently dominates federal government?
It's like I said in my response to RANT, on the premises you have asserted regarding black integration, there is no reason for a black republican to
be any more despised than any other, yet it is clear that a sense of betrayal amplifies the typical disdain for rivals.
You're welcome to be liberal. You're welcome to pledge yourself to the Democratic party, forsaking all other liberals. You're welcome to hate
To be honest, when you get right down to it, you're welcome to particularly despise black Republicans as long as you don't violate their rights;
it's intellectually dishonest though.