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Originally posted by Curio
Out of interest, what would your opinion be if Iran were to "not play ball"?
Sure, they've let some inspectors in to a site today (which, the skeptic in me, says has been nicely cleaned out by now anyway...)
and I've no doubt they'll keep on with the line that they'll cooperate. But that's my worry - they 'll probably just string the UN along for years to come, giving them the run around, letting them inspect sites on their own terms, doing just enough to make it seem to the world like they are cooperating
I don't think anybody in the world wants Iran to have nukes.
But it's going to happen unless somebody gets tough or they will just lead us on a wild goose chase until they've got them.
I'm not saying military action is the only answer - I just think the EU/UN needs to show Iran it means business, rather than its usual method of sitting around in the UN offices all day scratching their backside.
There should no messing around - give us totally unlimited access, on our terms, or we take it to the UNSC and get tough. If they've got nothing to hide then they have nothing to worry about, etc, etc.
- That is part of the absurdity of all of this.
For some it will never matter what they do, they'll always be imagined to have hidden 'the really secret stuff'.
- OK, that is a possibility but this is not about a visit today or any other spot check, what about the cameras and various observation and accounting methods put in place - and which have been in place for a long time now?
- Except that unless they have a means to duplicate the monitored sites and personnel those sites stay under 24/7 365 inspection.
Iran is a signatory to the non-proliferation treaty etc etc and they are nothing like Iraq was in this matter.
They have hidden nothing.
- I agree, I don't think anyone wants nuclear weapon to spread any further than they have.
However for all of that I do not think Iran is run by insane people; if they do get them they will be in the same deterrence 'game' as anyone else with them.
- I don't think so.
I think the more they feel under threat the more likely it is they will attempt to get them.
Who would blame them?
- I think Iran is fully aware that Europe wants them to reach agreement.
I am also certain that Iran would feel a lot of pain if sanctions were ever applied to her by Europe and the rest of the western world so I am pretty sure they know 'we mean business' and have the power to make life difficult for them.
I do not agree this is a matter of powerless people sitting around doing nothing.
- I'm sorry but I don't see how the currently freely bandied about comments that they face sanctions and bombing are "messing around".
Like I said I see this as preferable that we do not end up with a new member of the nuclear 'club' but even so I see absolutely no reason for it to appear as the end of the world at hand if they do end up in possession of nuclear arms either.
Originally posted by Curio
But don't you think it's a justified concern? They've certainly given us reason for that concern.
Well that's assuming they're only working on things in front of the cameras - it's not as if they don't know where they can and can't be seen. I don't think it can be completely dismissed as paranoia to suggest they might possibly have things going on behind closed doors.
Again, it's not beyond reason that they could run duplicate sites. Unless you're trusting them to be 100% transparent on the issue? Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Who could possibly know for certain, apart from Iran?
You maybe not concerned with the fairly constant talk of wiping Israel off the map, but you don't live in Israel.
Maybe Iran would only use the nukes as a deterrent
but if they didn't we can't do much about it then.
Israel certainly won't.
If we don't pressure them they will.....if we do pressure them they will.
surely there will be no sanctions as Russia/China would veto them at the UNSC?
And hopefully "talk" is all it will take.
With all respect, that seems a bit like sticking your head in the sand and hoping for the best. Israel and Iran, both armed with nukes, would be a very dangerous situation indeed.
Realistically, Israel's nukes aren't going anywhere, regardless of the moral rights & wrongs of that
so lets make sure Iran don't get any.