CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret "Black Site" Prisons

Originally posted by Souljah
What do you know about my former Country? WHAT?

The Yorkshire Ranter: Black Site: Update 2

November 26, 2005


If you want a round-up I endorse and recommend Soj. But there are some things I feel ought to be flagged. As anyone who reads this regularly ought to know, I suspect that Taszar airbase in Hungary, the location of "Camp Freedom", where Ahmed Chalabi's followers were trained for the invasion of Iraq is one of the sites. Last week, I revealed that an aircraft formerly used by the Bush-Cheney campaign had visited Taszar in April, 2003. I'm trying to find out who was using Boeing 727, N804MA at the time. Mr Hackert, director of sales for its owners Miami Air International, declined to answer an inquiry by email. Readers?

One may remember that an Iraqi general was about to be tried in Denmark on war crimes charges shortly before the war. He vanished, an event that attracted some attention at the time. This site, whose credibility I rather doubt, claims that General Nizar al-Khazraji was taken to Taszar on board a Gulfstream aircraft operated by the CIA. (Two Gulfstreams have been identified as taking part in prisoner transfers.) They also, fascinatingly, claim that the operation at Taszar was run by none other than disgraced New York cop Bernard Kerik!

about a year ago, I was told by a former Naval staff officer and specialist in international law who had visited the place that the infamous Camp X-Ray at Guantanamo looked very similar to the POW cage in Bondsteel, which he had visited in connection with war-crimes suspects from the Balkan war who were held there before transfer to the Hague Tribunal. He held that X-Ray looked like it did because the Americans military engineers built the same kind of structure anywhere if they were told to erect a camp for prisoners, whether POWs or Rumsfeld's "illegal combatants".

Austria's National Security Council to meet on alleged CIA
flyovers Eds: UPDATES with air force commander denying there were suspicions that plane carried prisoners. CHANGES byline. Will be UPDATED after closed-door meeting set to begin at 1400 GMT AP Photos planned By SUSANNA LOOF= Associated Press Writer= VIENNA, Austria (AP) _ Austria's air force commander on Wednesday denied that the military ever suspected that an alleged CIA plane was carrying prisoners when it passed through the country's airspace in 2003. Maj. Gen. Erich Wolf told The Associated Press that the flight was declared as a civilian flight and was never seen as suspicious. Last week, Austrian media quoted Wolf as saying that authorities had evidence suggesting the plane was carrying captive terrorist suspects _ reports that triggered a flurry of protests from opposition politicians who demanded an investigation. Austria's National Security Council was to convene a special closed-door session later Wednesday on the flight, which authorities said flew from Frankfurt, Germany, over Austria on its way to the Central Asian nation of Azerbaijan on Jan. 21, 2003. The Social Democrats, the key opposition bloc, has called on Chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel to lodge a formal protest with U.S. President George W. Bush. The Council of Europe, the continent's leading human rights watchdog group, is investigating numerous allegations of similar CIA flyovers and landings in a dozen countries stretching from Scandinavia to Cyprus. Peter Pilz, a lawmaker in charge of security issues for the environmentalist Green Party, accused the Austrian government of"passive complicity"in allegedly allowing the 2003 flyover and insists there were other incidents. Pilz said it was"safe to assume"that the 2003 overflight was not an isolated incident, and accused the CIA of setting up dummy aviation companies to operate what he derisively called"Kidnap Air." Wolf was quoted last week as saying the army scrambled fighter jets to make contact with the C-130 Hercules transport plane, but did not suspect anything wrong at the time and that the government lodged no diplomatic protests. There have been no indications that any landings occurred in politically neutral and nonaligned Austria, which refused to grant the United States permission to use its airspace during the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. The flights have become an issue in many European countries amid reports that U.S. intelligence may have transported suspected al-Qaida members and others en route to secret prisons in eastern Europe and other countries for interrogation.

Originally posted by thermopolis
Media BS...............Wasn't this part of the recent "TombRader" movie?

Where "she" goes to get "terry" out of prison in some "stan" country.

Among 11.000 prisoners, which are held in Guantanamo, Cuba there are also people, moved from Croatia, as it was said by the Croatian Newspaper Novi List. These 11.000 prisoners come mostly from Afganistan, Pakistan and Iraq, some of them also come from Croatia, Albania, Bosnia, Macedonia, Gambia, Indonesia, Italy, Jordan, Kenia, Lybia, Malesia, Sudan, Tanzania and Zambia.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

(Oh and do you really think the US is the only country with these prisons?)

From Associted Press in NY Times

The head of a European investigation into alleged CIA prisons in Europe said Tuesday the purported Egyptian government document naming countries where such prisons existed is a new lead which must be followed up.

But Dick Marty, a Swiss senator leading the probe on behalf of the Council of Europe, said it still wasn't clear whether the document - a fax reportedly sent by satellite transmission from Egypt's Foreign Ministry to its embassy in London - was genuine.

The document's existence was reported Sunday by the Swiss weekly SonnstagsBlick. The fax, intercepted Nov. 15 by Swiss intelligence, reportedly said Egypt had confirmed through its own sources that the US intelligence agency had held 23 terrorist suspects from Iraq and Afghanistan at a military base in Romania.

It also said there were similar US detention centers in Ukraine, Kosovo, Macedonia and Bulgaria, according to the Swiss newspaper, which printed a copy of a Swiss summary of the fax.

Originally posted by Caetano

How can I the US talk about freedom, justice and to consider them selfs the good side when they are using the methods of those who they want to erradicate from this world. How can I carry the flag of Good if I am doing Evil??
Using that methods, the US are no different from the terrorists and that doesn't help them win the war against the terrorism.

Originally posted by Intelearthling

Originally posted by Caetano

How can I the US talk about freedom, justice and to consider them selfs the good side when they are using the methods of those who they want to erradicate from this world. How can I carry the flag of Good if I am doing Evil??
Using that methods, the US are no different from the terrorists and that doesn't help them win the war against the terrorism.

Uh, can you say We didn't start all this crap*?

The enemies of this nation are relying on the pacifists of this nation to rally behind them. Are you really self-conscience about what's happening?

We've got to accept the fact that we can't win this war without accepting the fact that we must act without any remorse.

Having a consciense will only get you KILLED and that's not what we want now is it (unless you're the enemy of my nation)?

BTW, the CIA and the building at Langley,Va is not suppose to exist. I think this is all propaganda perpertrated by the bleeding-heart, leftist liberals.

[edit on 12/1/06 by Intelearthling]

Originally posted by Intelearthling
Uh, can you say We didn't start all this crap*?
The enemies of this nation are relying on the pacifists of this nation to rally behind them. Are you really self-conscience about what's happening?
We've got to accept the fact that we can't win this war without accepting the fact that we must act without any remorse.
Having a consciense will only get you KILLED and that's not what we want now is it (unless you're the enemy of my nation)?
BTW, the CIA and the building at Langley,Va is not suppose to exist. I think this is all propaganda perpertrated by the bleeding-heart, leftist liberals.