CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret "Black Site" Prisons

Originally posted by skippytjc
I see this as good news. It’s about time my government grew a spine and used its resources to fight these terrorists using methods the terrorists understand: Violence and torture.
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
I fully support secret prisons for terror suspects, and fully support torture under the right circumstances, such as extracting time critical information (ie - a nuke will go off in 72 hours, but the prisoner has information about it).

Originally posted by Souljah
OK - its War.

So Both sides are allowed to follow the same rules of the Game.

One of the US soldiers is Captured by the Insurgents, and they want to "Extract Information" about the next Assault.

Does that give them the Right to do whatever they want with him, in order to "Extract the Information"?

Or is that Priviledge EXCLUSIVLY reserved for USA and CIA?

Originally posted by American Mad Man
I would like to point out right here that it is the muslim terrorist side which follows absolutely NO rules.

Again Souljah, the only reason the US would need to do any such extracting is because this isn't a normal war where the targets are military.

Unfortunately we are fighting radical Islamic terrorist scum. They want to
kill INNOCENT people, not the soldiers involved in the war.

Why should a million+ people die in NYC because some sicko terrorist can't be tortured?

Originally posted by Souljah
Actually this is the New Age of Warfare - the Warfare that was created by the USA Invasion of Iraq. Sadly it is a kind of warfare that actually Works against hi-tech Army, and will be used in the Future on a bigger scale.

Here is shown again, the basis of our dis-agreement.

I do not belive that Islamic Terrorist Scum started this War.

This goes far DEEPER then You and I can ever Imagine.

This is not so EASY and BLACK&WHITE as you see it.

Sorry, but I do not belive all the 9-11-Terrorists-Crashed-into-WTC-that-why-it-Collapsed-MumboJumbo.

I think the Rabbit Hole goes Much, MUCH Deeper then that...

Because he is Innocent but still Tortured?

Hell, who cares anyway.

One Less Muslim.

Originally posted by American Mad Man
I fully support secret prisons for terror suspects, and fully support torture under the right circumstances, such as extracting time critical information (ie - a nuke will go off in 72 hours, but the prisoner has information about it).

Frankly, these people wouldn't be in these secret prisons if they were harmless innocent civilians.

WASHINGTON, Nov. 7 - The Pentagon has approved a new policy directive governing interrogations as part of an effort to tighten controls over the questioning of terror suspects and other prisoners by American soldiers.

The eight-page directive, which was signed without any public announcement last Thursday by Acting Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon R. England, will allow the Army to issue a long-delayed field manual for interrogators that is supposed to incorporate the lessons gleaned from the prisoner-abuse scandals last year.

The Army intends, for example, to ensure that interrogation techniques are approved, up to the highest levels in the Pentagon, that interrogators are properly trained and that personnel in the field are required to report any abuses, Army officials said.

President Bush, in remarks in Panama City after meeting with President Martín Torrijos of Panama, sought to deflect recent reports of detainee mistreatment and secret interrogation sites around the world. "Our country is at war, and our government has the obligation to protect the American people," Mr. Bush said. "Anything we do to that end, in that effort, any activity we conduct, is within the law. We do not torture." (WHAT A HYPOCRITE!!! :lol)

"Acts of physical or mental torture are prohibited," says the directive, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times. The policy directive does not elaborate other than to order that detainees be treated humanely "in accordance with applicable law and policy."

Originally posted by Long Lance
but why secretly? i don't understand, people will understand if they get to know know what's going on and why. secrecy in the wrong spot is a boomerang, which invites conspiracy theories and rightly so, is there one single reason to keep everything secret for more than 10 days?

additionally, these camps certainly cost a lot of money, it'd be easier and cheaper, to try them in court, therefore creating a legal basis (proof is abundant i hope) to do exactly the same as now, while receiving much less flak and without creating fear and suspicion all around the world.

imagine another country started a similar program, the west would be up in arms!

Originally posted by Souljah
I wonder how is AMM going to Explain that....

Originally posted by American Mad Man
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you don't think other countries have secret prisons where they put hig value political prisoners?

The difference is that no one talks about them, because they are not the almighty Satan America.

WASHINGTON (AFP) - US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld can authorize exceptions to a new Defense Department policy on military interrogations that bars torture and calls for "humane" treatment of detainees, a spokesman said.

The new directive lays out broad policy governing interrogations of detainees in Defense Department custody, but leaves the definition of "humane" to a separate, yet to be released directive that is still being debated within the administration.

A little noticed loophole in the directive, which was made public Tuesday, gives the secretary of defense or his deputy authority to override the policy.

"Intelligence interrogations will be conducted in accordance with applicable law, this directive and implementing plans, policies, orders, directives, and doctrine developed by DoD components and approved by USD (I), unless otherwise authorized, in writing, by the secretary of defense or deputy secretary of defense," the directive states. "USD (I)" refers to the undersecretary of defense for intelligence.

Originally posted by Souljah
The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement.


And we can only Imagine what is the Real Truth...

[edit on 2/11/05 by Souljah]

Originally posted by vuoto
The weakest part of the argument in favor of torture (can you even believe that there are people out there who would MAKE such a twisted argument?) is that there's absolutely no evidence that torture is the only or even the best method to obtain information from "bad guys".

Leading article: President Bush is betraying the founding values of his nation
The bitter taste is left of an administration whose response is to deny first and concede later - only when found out
Published: 17 November 2005
Outlawed weapons and lies about them. Hidden prisons and torture chambers. Human beings in cages. Captives who "disappear". This was Saddam Hussein's Iraq, was it not, and the justification for war? Two and a half years after the invasion, to the eternal shame of the occupiers, it is increasingly the new Iraq as well.

We are observing what must be the worst week for the reputation of the joint United States and British adventure since the revelations of abuse at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison. Any hopes in Washington or London that the battle for Iraqi hearts and minds might yet be won have been thoroughly demolished.