Originally posted by Bullsnot
I love all the conspiracy theorist that think all the scientists are covering up the truth. Yeah the colleges and institutions "Brainwash you before graduate level courses where they tell you the secrets"
Come on you look at any scientist and all they want os to be the first to find some great discovery, nobody is or could cover up something big like that.
An advanced civilization that was capable of nuclear war. and yet we have never found even a scrap of worked metal. For a society to advanced as far as atomic science they infrastructure would have to be huge and there is no way we could have the fossil records we do with not a trace of that advanced civilization. I'm sure there has been ups and downs of advancement as social issues push cultures back. These are small steps back, not thousands of years step backs but 100 year step backs and they are short.
How do I know?
Well of course I know everything. conspiracy theorists always say open your mind. Well open yours and your eyes at the same time. I love to believe in the mysteries of the past but some are just stretching so far away from the obvious answer.
There was a nuclear war in the past, we know because there is superheated sand in the dessert.
Can't possibly be one of the 3 natural ways of this occuring, it must be the one unnatural.
I've always liked the theory that the sphinx was really 13,000 years old..
Originally posted by soothsayer
Along the Iranian and Iragi area there are higher levels of radiation, along with "heated" sand. This would be fine. if it wasn't for the fact Sumarian text talks about the battles the gods fought from within their city-states. Or how about Abraham fleeing the destruction of a city which had a poison cloud coming towards it? (Don't even talk about Sodom or Gahmorrah).
And what about the East Indian legend (I forget the name), that discribes the flying chariots casting iron lightning at the towns, from which great mushrooms sprang forth? This epic had three parts, but all of it described, in some great detail, aireal battles, nuclear devices, and lasars? Is it a coincidence that India also has higher than normal radiation levels?
You talk about the lack of remains; How quickly do your books rot? Your clothing? My car, only 6 years old, has so much rust on it, it'll probably disappear in another 6 years. Only now are scientists studying/ applying crystal technology for computers... that's funny, don't old legends talk about the Ancients utilizing crystals in similar manners?
Where are the garbage dumps, and landfills, a disposable diaper? Look at a metelorgy map; coincidence or not, large metal deposites are generally near ancient, unexplained sites. Stonehedge is built atop a uranium depsoit... which is almost similar to engineers wanting to build giant concret "warning" statues to keep future people away from contaminated sites!
Where is the evidence that there were people as advanced as us? In the legends, religions and myths of the world. At the unexplained sites atop mountians and below the waters. When Florida sinks beneath the waves and thousands of years from now they discover highways, do you think they will just brush them off as being natural formations?
And one more point; our "technology advanced society" can't even build a cement road or concrete structure without it needing repaires every 1 to 5 years, yet the Roman collusium still stands without the iron supports, the Pyramids still stand in orientaion to Orion, so on and so on. If we were to "disappear" right now, all evidence of us being here would be gone in 100 years. And about the fossils. Geez, it's amazing that for how-many years people were laughed at for discribing hairy mountian people (yet gorillas were only "officially" discovered in the 1800's)... as well as pandas, giant squid, celoca.....? (that fish off of Africa).
Scientists dismiss the discoveries of screws found in coal mines, batteries for elecroplating, ANYTHING that goes against what they say is right. Pyramids built 5000 years ago, correct. Built 10000, 20000? No way... forget the limestone erosions, forget the sediment, people back then were just too dumb to do anything other than pick their asses with rock shards.
ANCIENT CITY FOUND,
IRRADIATED FROM ATOMIC BLAST
Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous
A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.
For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.
The Mahabharata clearly describes a catastrophic blast that rocked the continent. "A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe...An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendor...it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race.
"The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. Their hair and nails fell out, pottery broke without any apparent cause, and the birds turned white.
"After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected. To escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves into the river."
A HISTORIAN COMMENTS
Historian Kisari Mohan Ganguli says that Indian sacred writings are full of such descriptions, which sound like an atomic blast as experienced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He says references mention fighting sky chariots and final weapons. An ancient battle is described in the Drona Parva, a section of the Mahabharata. "The passage tells of combat where explosions of final weapons decimate entire armies, causing crowds of warriors with steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as if they were dry leaves of trees," says Ganguli.
"Instead of mushroom clouds, the writer describes a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds as consecutive openings of giant parasols. There are comments about the contamination of food and people's hair falling out."
ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION PROVIDES INFORMATION
Archeologist Francis Taylor says that etchings in some nearby temples he has managed to translate suggest that they prayed to be spared from the great light that was coming to lay ruin to the city. "It's so mid-boggling to imagine that some civilization had nuclear technology before we did. The radioactive ash adds credibility to the ancient Indian records that describe atomic warfare."
Construction has halted while the five member team conducts the investigation. The foreman of the project is Lee Hundley, who pioneered the investigation after the high level of radiation was discovered.
There is evidence that the Rama empire (now India) was devastated by nuclear war. The Indus valley is now the Thar desert, and the site of the radioactive ash found west of Jodhpur is around there.
Consider these verses from the ancient (6500 BC at the latest) Mahabharata:
...a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns
Rose in all its splendour...
a perpendicular explosion
with its billowing smoke clouds...
...the cloud of smoke
rising after its first explosion
formed into expanding round circles
like the opening of giant parasols...
..it was an unknown weapon,
An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.
...The corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognisable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.
After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment.
Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion. Radioactive poisoning will make hair and nails fall out. Immersing oneself in water gives some respite, though it is not a cure.
When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city. And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death.
These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal. Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude. One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified! And since there is no indication of a volcanic eruption at Mohenjo-Daro or at the other cities, the intense heat to melt clay vessels can only be explained by an atomic blast or some other unknown weapon. The cities were wiped out entirely.
While the skeletons have been carbon-dated to 2500 BC, we must keep in mind that carbon-dating involves measuring the amount of radiation left. When atomic explosions are involved, that makes then seem much younger.
Interestingly, Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita: "'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.' I suppose we all felt that way." When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was, "Well, yes, in modern history."
Ancient cities whose brick and stonewalls have literally been vitrified, that is, fused together, can be found in India, Ireland, Scotland, France, Turkey and other places. There is no logical explanation for the vitrification of stone forts and cities, except from an atomic blast.
Another curious sign of an ancient nuclear war in India is a giant crater near Bombay. The nearly circular 2,154-metre-diameter Lonar crater, located 400 kilometres northeast of Bombay and aged at less than 50,000 years old, could be related to nuclear warfare of antiquity. No trace of any meteoric material, etc., has been found at the site or in the vicinity, and this is the world's only known "impact" crater in basalt. Indications of great shock (from a pressure exceeding 600,000 atmospheres) and intense, abrupt heat (indicated by basalt glass spherules) can be ascertained from the site.
Originally posted by Gazrok
I've always liked the theory that the sphinx was really 13,000 years old..
Yes, but it doesn't take an awful lot of scientific genius to carve a big lion (what it was prior to the pharoah's screwing with it)...
As has been mentioned, we aren't the only society...but, if you are trying to imply that there was another advanced society in our distant past (i.e. more advanced than Egyptians), then there simply isn't evidence for it... The more advanced a civilization is, the more marks it leaves behind. That is simple fact. We'd have found numerous evidence of this, had it been the case, excavating skyscrapers, finding gears, plastics, etc. and this just hasn't happened... Sure, there's the occassional oopart (out of place artifact), but no real traces of this supposedly advanced civilization...not to mention, the sheer unlikelihood of not even one survivor or preserver of such knowledge...to hand it down to others. While we've been here a while, you must also consider that we've grown and evolved during this time...even when examining written history.