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reply posted on 17-9-2003 @ 02:57 PM by mikromarius
Originally posted by MrEisenhower
I admit that there is no denying what Religion has done to people, for example, giving 'strength' to those in difficult times. But I believe that the Bible was a way to explain how the world worked back in a day where science had no real meaning. Some Athiests may say it is a form of social conditioning, which probably isn't too far from the truth.

As an ancient how would you react to Thunder and Lightning? A sign from the Gods? or how would you react to a rainbow as an ancient? Perhaps you may see it as a blessing?

I may of said that the world would be a better place without religion, and I still stand by that. But I know for a fact that religion will not be lost anytime soon seeing how over half the worlds population are members of the two major religions.

I've got one question though, is there anyone here who is not of the Christian faith? I've yet to see any Muslims on this board.


So they didn't have science "back then"? Hehe. That's a good one. Take the Great Pyramid for instance. Thousands of years old, but still it is a symbol of highly elolved scientific understanding of the Earth, the Universe, math, physics, biology, you name it. Or how do you suppose the Arabs managed to calculate the circumferance of the earth hundreds of years before Christ was born. The people back then were just as intelligent and clever as we are today, perhaps even smarter.... How old are you? Thirteen?

Blessings,
Mikromarius


reply posted on 17-9-2003 @ 03:08 PM by mikromarius
Originally posted by MrEisenhower
I admit that there is no denying what Religion has done to people, for example, giving 'strength' to those in difficult times. But I believe that the Bible was a way to explain how the world worked back in a day where science had no real meaning. Some Athiests may say it is a form of social conditioning, which probably isn't too far from the truth.

As an ancient how would you react to Thunder and Lightning? A sign from the Gods? or how would you react to a rainbow as an ancient? Perhaps you may see it as a blessing?

I may of said that the world would be a better place without religion, and I still stand by that. But I know for a fact that religion will not be lost anytime soon seeing how over half the worlds population are members of the two major religions.

I've got one question though, is there anyone here who is not of the Christian faith? I've yet to see any Muslims on this board.


So they didn't have science "back then"? Hehe. That's a good one. Take the Great Pyramid for instance. Thousands of years old, but still it is a symbol of highly elolved scientific understanding of the Earth, the Universe, math, physics, biology, you name it. Or how do you suppose the Arabs managed to calculate the circumferance of the earth hundreds of years before Christ was born. The people back then were just as intelligent and clever as we are today, perhaps even smarter.... How old are you? Thirteen?

Blessings,
Mikromarius


reply posted on 17-9-2003 @ 08:41 PM by mikromarius
Originally posted by ZeroDeep
For one i think thier is a difference between the term,
"GOD" and "CREATOR".
"God" refers to a being with unimaginable powers with the ability to render space and time itself.
"Creator", For all we know we could have been created in a test tube millions of years ago and brought to evolve on this planet, like some sort of science project.
I believe in a creator.
I believe that we could have been possibly seeded.
I dont believe the fact that thier is a god watching over us.
I believe thier a beings who can do things normal humans cant and could have been justly deemed gods by us seeing these beings perform thier amazing gifts.

The idea of God has brought more war than peace since his existance.
Hes just the "Quicker Picker Upper" of any problems.
Deep


You have a very Eastern perspective as to who, or like you say what God is. God is a person. He has seven Spirits. He is the Creator of this Heaven and this Earth. The Creator is the King of the the gods and the only one who can truely say he exists at any given time or place, leaving only his place for his human son Jesus for him to minister Earth and the Heavens together with the ecclesia, the chosen and elect whom he bought free with his own blood and suffering, when God rests and strengthens for 1000 years to return together with the Lamb to Earth to live with us forever and ever. To say that the creator of all things isn't God, is to say that George Washington wasn't a president.

Blessings
Mikromarius


reply posted on 17-9-2003 @ 10:26 PM by mikromarius
Originally posted by ZeroDeep
And you seem to have a very Christian based View.
Im not christian, and i will not say anything to debunk, or belittle christians.
You believe what you believe, I stated my opinion.
But I still hold true to my statment that "Creator" and "God" are different.
Deep


Fair enough. But would you know him if you met him? Would you ever believe in his story?

I have similar view on God and the Lord. To me they are separate. God being the Father, the Lord being the Son who for my being is Jesus, God's perfect image in who's shape God created the humans. YHWH is the Lord of the Jews (YesHWaH?). Ba'al was the Lord of the Sodomites. God created Heaven and Earth, while the Lord instructed Adam and Eve not to eat from the Tree of Wisdom. Unlike God, the Lord has enemies or satans who he has to defeat and destroy and protect his children from. This is why Jesus says: "Why do you call me good? There is only one who is good: the Father". Jesus was a man of telepathy, both active and passive. He exists on both sides of the river of life, he hovers above it. This means that he exists at any given time, except before the Father was, but since he is in the bossom of the Father he is equal to the Father, he is the Alfa and Omega, for God protects him from his emergance to the end. But he is not yet God. The Father must first leave his place, something he eventually will do for a thousand years to leave his place to the Lord, who was the Jewish Messiah Jesus, who is the Highest priest in Heaven who's job is to work on the Sabbath as King, this time for a thousand years. This is an eternal story that goes on and on. They can travel from star to star like we travel from town to town, and they look like us.

Blessings,
Mikromarius


reply posted on 18-9-2003 @ 11:17 AM by madmanacrosswater
Originally posted by mikromarius
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
God put us his little spirits here so he may experience him/herself. He put us here to create.

God is not going to interfere with what we are doing. Doing that would interfere with the freedom he has given us(part of him). It would eliminate his ability to experience.

God is not perfect. We were created within his image. He has given us all the power to stop this mess that we created. However, until people start listening to the Holy Spirit that exists within us and uniting to quash this mess it will continue.


Not so. The reason God isn't interfering very much has only one reason. When Man chose the tree of Wisdom, we also chose to judge ourselves, for wisdom is all about judgement. We got six days to gain wisdom and learn to master it through rightious judgement, but on the seventh day, we should reflect on God's grace and live out what we have learned to it's full under God's supervision. And one day equals 1000 years.

This is the reason why God isn't physically present on Earth for the time being. We were given the choice to choose our destinies. If we had chosen the Tree of Life, we would learn how to create, and we would have been like the angels of Heaven, living eternally without desease and trouble, without having to suffer to gain wisdom so to speek. This tree is now limited to the very few, since we didn't take God's advice, even broke his commandment concerning the Tree of Wisdom, only those who are really wise in the end are allowed to enter God's City and eat of the tree.

Blessings,
Mikromarius


I recognize the Christianity that has been taught to you thru the years. I treat it with respect. However, certain aspects of Christianity deeply troubles me.

You say God's physical presence is not on Earth at the present time. I would have to respectfully disagree. We are God's physical presence as is all around us.

I would also have to respectfully disagree about the tree. Christianity teaches that true "salvation" is limited to but a few. No, all of us will continue on long after our present physical bodies expire. It is in what form will each of us exist. The ones who have allowed God into their heart and do not question his existence and try to pass his love to others will undoubtedly exist on a higher plain while the ones who question or seek without looking within themselves will exist on various different levels.

The written or spoken word of each individual is actually one of the sloppiest ways of trying to figure out what another individual actually thinks. That is why God does not want each of us to judge each other. We really do not know what each individual was or is thinking when they do certain things-especially in speech or writings.

I have heard this one day equals 1000 years before. Again, I would have to disagree. Science, which was given to us by God is the ability to discover and reason. This planet and universe have existed for billions of years. It is a fact as much as can be "proven".

I know you value the Bible and the teachings within. That is good. However, I have not learned from the Bible, Koran, etc, but have learned from within and had much of what I believed confirmed with a recent event in my life.

However, we are both on the same track. We both know the father exists. This is good.

Namaste
madman


reply posted on 18-9-2003 @ 01:51 PM by MrEisenhower
Originally posted by mikromarius

So they didn't have science "back then"? Hehe. That's a good one. Take the Great Pyramid for instance. Thousands of years old, but still it is a symbol of highly elolved scientific understanding of the Earth, the Universe, math, physics, biology, you name it. Or how do you suppose the Arabs managed to calculate the circumferance of the earth hundreds of years before Christ was born. The people back then were just as intelligent and clever as we are today, perhaps even smarter.... How old are you? Thirteen?

Blessings,
Mikromarius


No, I'm not 13, I'm more like 17. And why does age have any importance? This sounds like snobbery, looking down on those that you feel are insignificant. I don't know why but some people get enjoyment out of belittling others. I used to have higher opinions of you as a poster.

You say people were more intelligent back then? I believe in the evolution of the human mind, there was/is no longer a need to evolve physically after we had mastered the ability to alter our environment. Why would Egyptians be smarter than us? Are you an Egyptian? Saying that the Egyptians were smarter than us is completely obsurd, there is absolutely zero proof of this and is nothing more than speculation on your part. Fact.

Read my post again, I had said science had no 'real' meaning. They knew how to construct a building, common logic. Something that is pyramid in shape would not fall over and would use less material than a large square building. The extent of their science is questionable.

Would the Egyptians have known what caused lightning? Would the Egyptians have known that rainfall was caused by part by Evapotranspiration?

The Egyptians were ahead of their time in there scientific understanding, but I feel that the extent of their knowledge is greatly over-hyped to make them seem greater and more godlike than what they honestly were.

Or how do you suppose the Arabs managed to calculate the circumferance of the earth hundreds of years before Christ was born


I have never seen this, if you could provide me with a source of your information that would be great.

My point was and a personal point I tried to make was that, I believe that the Bible and tried to explain the phenomena around them. Obviously you missed my point entirely, and was never supposed to string out any argument. The Bible shows very basic thoughts

the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;


Not very scientifical is it? You say they were more intelligent, why isn't there a greater detailed description of how it rained?

Right I'm off, I don't want to get into any religious debates right now,
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