Originally posted by Annacryst
it all started after a very intence hallucinogenic experience where i witnessed wheels within wheels covered in eyes < a bunch of eyes in a sunflower seed pattern wich i took as a metaphor for infinite growing awareness>

pythagryas also said a rock is frozen music.

I often see a honeycomb sort of pattern....

Originally Posted by Yeahright
ust for further disclosure, I'm quite sure there are people that have certain "abilities" and experiences denied to the rest of us (meaning me). I see guys dunk a basketball all the time. I never could. People write beautiful music and poetry. I can't. Just because I haven't experienced something, or am unable to do something doesn't mean I don't believe it can happen. I'm just not wired that way, apparently. Yes I've had synchronistic experiences, or at least experiences that could be labeled that way. But in my case, I think it's attributable to coincidence, since it's not only rare but virtually always involves something insignificant. Like thinking about someone I haven't seen for a year when the phone rings and there they are. Doesn't explain the thousands of times I've thought about someone and the phone doesn't ring.

It's not denied to you at all, everyone has a gift, everyones different and everyones gift is unique.
I sat there for years watching posts like mine saying people did something, or something happened to them or they could do something and yet I was frustrated because nothing like that ever happened to me..I started thinking I just ddin't have it. Then one day someone commented about something I had done or seen and i realised just that, everyones different, no two people are alike, no two peoples gifts are alike.

Its also about education, how would you know you had this gift unless you were educated how to use it.

Years and years ago (1993 April - May) I was all frustrated as said and I went and laid down during the day for a nap after i had been working on my tarot number equations for a few hours.

The next thing I was inside a girl in some way as she was being murdered. She was running from a madman and he grabbed her from behind, as she turned to face him, it was like it was me turning to face him. I could not feel any physical pain as she was beaten to death and drowned but I could feel this horrendous mental scream a feeling that has stayed with me ever since, it was one of the most powerful and scary emotions I had ever felt.

I told my husband at the time of the incident as I was still shaking when he got home from work that night. Two weeks later I went to visit my natural mother (adopted) who lived in another state over 1000 kilometres away and one morning while there I read the sunday paper.

I got to a page and my face turned white, the story was there. I looked up at my husband and he nodded and said he thought so, he had read the paper before i woke up and wondered if it was. It was the story of the murder I had dreamt/felt/experienced. We showed Della. (my mother) and she looked and realised that she knew the investigating officer from years before. So she rang him and told him of my dream/experience. I watched as her face went pale before she hung up. I was right she said, they had first thought it was indeed the suspects in the newspaper in the blue and red cars. But as I had said to her those cars left and the girl kept walking, then some kind of hermit with mental problems had grabbed her and dragged her to the river.

The officer told Della they were starting to turn away from the original suspects and investigate a gang nicknamed the water rats, a group of hobo's some with mental issues, most with alcohol related problems who camped by the river. Della described the man I saw, I can still see him to this day and he said that this guy that she described was their main suspect.

So I sat back and examined it all. When it had happened it was too much, it really did shock me, the emotion was so powerful. So I said to myself then that I never ever wanted that to happen again.

Now am older and I wish I hadn't done that. Now I want to do that again and help solve crimes but I can't, it's never happened again. A boy Daniel Morecombe went missing here and I have wished thousands of times to see what i had seen in the Martin murder again so i could help Daniels family solve his disapearance. No luck, it just doesn't happen.

So then I have got to wonder why it happened the first time. If it was there then why didn't it always happen, why couldn't I turn it off and on like a tap, why that one experience only. Was it because that day I had been concentrating so hard on the numbers and I opened a channel in my brain that is there but sleeping, there but we are untrained as to it's use.

So yeah, yeahright, I too wonder why it doesn't happen those thousands of other times.

Oh but then again as an aside...I was writing a big reply for the atsnn council election thread and went to bed straight afterwards last week and SO came to me in a dream and just said the following to me and then disappeared again.. .........the benchmark for submissions should be 250 words..... now that was a dream, based on the thoughts and reply I had put forward last thing before sleeping, it was weird to dream about that but it was just a dream......

[edit on 1-11-2005 by Mayet]

Strangely enough I see a triangle with three triangles inside each corner of the triangle and one upside down one formed with a wall of each of the interior triangles. Like the triforce from zelda. I see that with the three points of the outer triangle meeting a circle that goes all the way around it.

Don't know where i dreamnt it or why but I use it when meditating and elaborate on the design each time creating a mandala in my mind and staring directly at the centre. It has some interesting effects on mind and body .

So we agree that geometry and geometric shapes are bought into play then.

If you look into it as mass consciousness then technically everything is brought into play. Every thought, dream, drawing, poem, image, sense,...everything.

sorry forgot to mention that it's all based on belief. As it is belief is power more than one belief in the same thing is more power by unity, and finally any belief has some power. what type of power is yet to be decided.

[edit on 1-11-2005 by Magickesists]

Here's a what if for you. What if the Universal mind was nothing more then the soles of the departed waiting for a new body to be born. If that was the case all knowledge is still availble if we can only learn to tap into it at will. that thought accured to me last night at work. its something to think about anyway.

Awesome post aristoi!

I've often wondered this myself, but also - is it possible that not only is there some sort of Universal Mind, but also some sort of really base level Universal Emotion?

Maybe it me, but every now and again, i'll notice everyone in my office is pretty much in the same mood (And i don't just mean Mondays!).

[edit on 2-11-2005 by negativenihil]

If the minds are working as one then It would stand to reason that there would be emotions to go along with it. I too have noticed the emotional aspect of it because the same thing happens in the trash heap I work in. The more I think on this the more I'm sure. It makes perfect sense. if you look our world waste nothing every thing is reused. Example. a animal dies it becomes food for other animals and bugs and all kinds of things. it is broken down into its basic parts. Witch then get reused to help other things grow. So taking that into consideration think on this. Once you get past our physical bodies what are we? We are, our thoughts and emotions. therefore the basic parts or a human are thoughts and emotions. So when we die our basic parts get reused.

Originally posted by aristoi
Here's a what if for you. What if the Universal mind was nothing more then the soles of the departed waiting for a new body to be born. If that was the case all knowledge is still availble if we can only learn to tap into it at will. that thought accured to me last night at work. its something to think about anyway.

Be careful when you use the term soul. In my understanding the soul is the best term for what i understand of your point here. It makes sense if you think about the idea of gaia. The way I have been understanding this though is the energy of brain waves is able to gap time and space so technically it never dies. But if you consider the physical manifestation of emotions is a human thing why would the universal mind have any emotions. It wouldn't, In my opinion. I think there is an alternate reality like a dreamland where all the thought's and energy of human brainwaves and other living things comingles and has been roughly idealized by religions and theories but to really understand it you would have to progress beyond the trapping of the physical body.

Anyway It would make more sense that the souls all become one after they depart from the physical realm. At the moment of sentience of a giving being, and during the developmental stages of the human brain there is the possibility that it is able to "transmit and recieve" information and energy form this alternate reality far easier than say a 50 year old man due to physical degradation. This i believe is what shapes given personalities into what they grow to be. Kind of like an ongoing experiment in reality if you will. If the collective consciousness is sentient it would most likely due such as was earlier drought up, to learn everything in everyway.
Some people get certain benefits from this vast sea of knowledge that is invisible and some most likely are never able to benefit from it"most likely the criminally insane".

But all in all I believe certain scientists have tapped into this form of knowledge, energy, what have you. Tesla, reich, they all had a sort of understanding of energies that others didn't think obeyed the laws of reality and therefore could not exist.

Originally posted by CloudlessKnight


I wonder if people completely incapable of feeling sympathy for another person are somehow cut off from the universal mind.

Something interesting happened to me the other day, as a matter of a fact. I was at work stocking the shelves and a customer came up to me to ask where she could find something. Before she said anything at all, I got a visual of hot glue sticks. And much to my surprise, she asked me for hot glue sticks. Coincidence that out of the entire store filled with hundreds of products I would think of glue sticks? That was the highlight of my day.

I have thought of your first paragraph too. I think that people who find it difficult to empathize with others may have some sort of disconnect. I'm sure it could happen when one is unable to process the input from the Universal Consciousness (I call it Gaia, as I think this bank is not prohibited only to humans).

As for the hot glue sticks, things like that happen to me almost on a daily basis. Often when people come to talk to me, I know exactly their feelings if not that which they are to converse.

This happens almost ALWAYS with the telephone. Rarely am I unable to determine who is calling.

I think a lot of hatred in our world is caused by people who want utter individuality to the point of failing to recognize that we are all the same; all connected. And what comes from hatred? War.

So where do new thoughts come from? I don't believe there are that many truely new thoughts that ever appear. Those new thoughts that are created are quickly permeated to all others.

Well I'd have to say i disagree with the need to empathise in order to be intuitive. There are many aspects to determing what someone is feeling or thinking that have nothing to do with your own empotional position of and individiual. For instance minute facial differences, pheremones, hormones, body posture, tone of voice and possibly just brainwaves. I think though that emphasizing with another is probably a good way to tap into this but I think what your describing is better understood as psychic emanations and general subconsious intuiotion. Good post though!

Originally posted by Mayet
It's not denied to you at all, everyone has a gift, everyones different and everyones gift is unique.
I sat there for years watching posts like mine saying people did something, or something happened to them or they could do something and yet I was frustrated because nothing like that ever happened to me..I started thinking I just ddin't have it. Then one day someone commented about something I had done or seen and i realised just that, everyones different, no two people are alike, no two peoples gifts are alike.

Its also about education, how would you know you had this gift unless you were educated how to use it.

Thanks for the response. I'm pretty confident I'm "handicapped" in this area. I've explored it for 40 some years [off and on] in all different aspects. And it's just not there. For me. But press on. I'm continually fascinated.

WOW
Thank you, thank you, thank you,
What a fantastic read, I just love ATS what thought provoking concepts,
i need time to add to this debate, but its wonderfull,

vote, vote, vote,

[edit on 2-11-2005 by iamian]

Well Yeahright... I am so gonna argue with you here

you do have it...otherwise I don't think you would be here interested in this sort of thing. But I meant what i said about education. We don't get taught how to use it and as everyones gift is different your way is not my way is not his way....

So you may not have same gifts others do because you are unique.

Has anything odd ever happened to you?

Originally posted by Mayet
Well Yeahright... I am so gonna argue with you here
you do have it...otherwise I don't think you would be here interested in this sort of thing.
Has anything odd ever happened to you?

I could say "no", but that would in and of itself be odd, wouldn't it?
Yes, I have an interest. Maybe an overall fascination that there may be people with abilities I don't possess, or experiences I haven't shared.

Never seen anything I'd classify as evidence of extraterrestrial visitation. Been in a lot of "haunted" places and...nothing. No clairvoyance, beyond what could be explained as random coincidence. I had an aunt (by marriage) that claimed to be sensitive. She gave me a Ouija board when I was a kid. [I know...bad juju]. Futzed around with it for about a year with others, including her. Nada. Read hundreds of books on various esoteric topics. Done the meditation thing (and still do).

Now that I'm married with kids, I'm in stealth mode, since I'd fer sure freak 'em out. So maybe that's why I'm here. Can feed my curiosity and interact without scaring the fam. Or at least avoid having the wife jazz me for not having outgrown this stuff. I'm sure you know the drill.

You see, I'm not denying (or substantiating) supernatural claims. I just think my antenna's bent.

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Earlier in this thread there was mention of two sources for this 'UniversalMind' phenomena.

MrMysterious gave us a link to the "Noosphere" site, which postulates that the thing we search for is an external thing.

yeahright gives us a link to "Jung", which sees this universal mind as a shared collective unconscious...that all humans have in their psyche. an internal thing

so, its either internal or external...(there we go again with the ~duality~ nature of things)

i think both views are right....

someone should consolidate all the diverse instances where a 'universal mind' connection would explain things.
we've got prophets
we've got seers
we've got futurists
we've got clairvoyants
we got Edgar Cayce, trancing, & he says the info is from a 'Hall of Records'
we got Shaman, going in spirit to 'other realities', thus helping their patients
we got Aboriginies which rely on the information they receive from 'DreamTime'
we got witches-warlocks-wizards who scry or access visualizations in crystals/mirrors/fire/water/vapors

but there's another bunch of people that also access this other realm.
i suggest that us/we schizophrenics have a pipeline to this universal-mind,
the shrinks & the public-at-large, have been conditioned to regard the hallucinations of certified schizo's (hey! i'm an admitted & life-long subject)
as ranting & ravings of mad-men.

I would suggest that schizos' might just have a brain chemistry that does not shut down the 'dream state' that normal people are able to close-up after awakening...i sorta think that the "normal" folks are the regressives...
as they don't have the connection to the universal-mind...unless/until they use extreme methods (like meditation or fasting or sensory deprivation, or other such techniques and protocols....)_
to get to the dream-time/great white spirit /noosphere
state of consciousness...
which we schizos thrive in!

yo, just my .02 cents
if your inspired to evolved thoughts, just e-mail me & include a renumeration or gratuity, thank-you

I'd be willing to believe that schizophrenic people have some connection to a larger form of conciousness. However I wouldn't say that so called "sane" people are regressives just more singular in there beliefs. I am not schizophrenic by any stretch, minorly sociopathic but not schizo, and I have some weird connection with something be it this universal mind or what not. I think it's a matter of letting go of physical self worth and trying to admire intelligence and any type of outer knowledge that has with it good vibes. Some people really have to try to figure this out others "like myself" just seem to go in and out of what i like to call it "the flow".

In my understanding It's much like martial arts once you have come to a state of zen you are almost always in tune with this flow and can practically predict what's gonna happen all the time. My reception to it is wavering so when I wake up and feel like I'm in tune I find my self predicting things seconds, minutes, hours, days, months before they happen. Not quite adept enough to figure out next year or any further than about three months so far however.

If anybody asks me to substantiate my claims, you would have to see it to believe it.

Consciousness is not just collective. It's just One. The reason for that is because every "divided" view you have on anything will prove itself dependant of every other part. So we just have the whole.
Mass consciousness is a fact, well proven nowadays. Its just that Media won't portay it because they want us dealing with mundane affairs.

Yeah thats what I was sort of saying before.. It stems from the one source. We are in different positions, each of us in distance and time from that source so our view of it is different.

Originally posted by Mayet
because you dont know it you fear it...but if we are all shown our potential and encouraged we can move onto the next stage of humanity and grow and learn. nstead we are imprisoned by society, imprisoned and enslaved to the new World order. Taught to worship others, taught be docile and if you venture towards the curiousness of the consciousness you are ridiculed, morally chastised, you are going against all teachings, all that is "right" in our black and white society.....

so now you know why I don't say anthing, people think your crazy.........they cease to respect you and what you have to say. If most peoples teens came to them talking about glowing white hands they would take them straight off to the funny farm or drug detox. If an adult like me says it, they get looked at like they should have been locked up there years ago.

Sure Mayet, most of society does not understand these things but does it really matter? It only matters that the ones that are close and also know the truth is what matters. I should talk, in real life I have to stay in the broom closet so here I am not.

I have prophetic dreams at times. They are always about armaggedon, it is more of a feeling than anything else and I am always in a strange city. Last year I moved from the city I was born and raised in and because of my wifes career suddenly had to move to this location. The first time I have recognized that this is the city that I was dreaming about armageddon was the other day.

I was doing some training for the job and had to ride in the jump seat of an ambulance all day. This is a rearward facing seat and you only have a side window and two rear windows to see out so you never know where you are. Especialy myself because this city is still new in some places. In the dream I pulled up to an intesection in my vehicle with my wife as a passenger in this residential neihborhood. At the time I was having the dream, I knew this was in the city that I am always in just before the Nukes start flying. I also knew I was in the city I am currently living near, but had never seen the area I was at in the dream.

We briefly stopped at this intersection running code in the ambulance, I facing rearward looked out the side window, and there was the yard of the house on the corner of that intersection in my dream. Just that little point of veiw, from the other side of the vehicle out a foot and a half squarefoot window it was still full recognition. It scared the hell out of me, and I thought no, this cant be that city. We went around the corner and out the two ear windows as we accelerated up the road, a place I had never been accept in a dream about the end of mankind.

I have since went there in my own vehicle. It was sureal, I even saw the ouse we drove to but it was a different color. So I am going to every once and a while go by there, and make sure that house isnt being painted. If it changes to the color of the house in my dream I will let you all know because we wont have long after that!