reply to post by djvexd
Exactly - so they are not being scientific about it. That's my whole point. It's a sham of an excuse so they can run around playing Ghost Busters,
and get paid for the privilege.
I'm not dismissing it because it's on TV - there are PLENTY of TV shows that use real, rigorous science. I'm dismissing it because they're a
bunch of jokers playing scientists with no clue.
And of course the scientific method can demonstrate the paranormal. If you, as a person, can detect it, so can instrumentations. Of course I realise
that old chestnut of an argument - 'science can never prove it' - is something you like, as it nicely explains (to you, and anyone else uninterested
in reason) why their beliefs haven't been verified in a controlled environment.
Having a dowser and demonologist on their team is a massive indictment of their scientific accumen, as both are based on complete unfounded nonsense.
If you went to a doctor and he tried to diagnose an ailment using a giant foam hand, you'd probably doubt his credentials in everything else he did -
and you'd be right to. The exact same thing is happening here, only you are under the assumption that a giant foam hand is a medical instrument.
So please, be objective. Deny ignorance.
reply to post by kerrichin
It most certainly is fake. The number of videos where the crew have been caught out is staggering, and hilarious. Like where they get Derek to say
anagrams of "Derek is a Faker", etc., and videos of people pushing things around and then claiming a ghost did it. Absolutely pathetic.
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I think somewhere along this thread wires have been crossed.
This thread was started three years ago, when Derek Acorah was set up by Dr Ciaran O'Keeffe, after he suspected, that the psychic was acting during
his many alleged possessions by Spirits.
Now i cant remember the names used because it was so long ago, but the event went something like this, the intentionally stood where Derek Acorah
could listen if he wanted to, and spoke about a non existent story about a Spirit haunting the place they where investigating, they used two anagrams
as the names of the Spirits, im sure one of them was an anagram for Derek lies, and I'm unsure about the other to attempt to explain it.
Anyhow Derek Acorah fell for it and became possessed by the anagrams.
Living Tv who produce the show whee told as where the shows presenters, Yvette fielding, and her husband Karl Beattie, Derek decided to leave the
show, but his contract to Living TV was still valid, so they gave him his own show called Derek Acorahs Ghost Towns, this show was about him traveling
from town to town, investigating domestic hauntings in peoples homes,
I think his show has fizzled out now, but Most Haunted is still going, in fact it is having its spin off Most Haunted Live over the last few nights,
last one being tonight if i remember right, 31/08/2008.
When i said at the start of this post that the thread had become twisted, what i meant was, it changed from talking about Most Haunted to Talking and
associating the show with TAPS.
TAPS is an American show called Ghost Hunters, set around two men who work as plumbers, and during their spare time, they get invited to investigate
haunted places with a small team, they have a huge fan base, and this has grown into other teams using the TAPS Logo.
More recently there has been a spin off called Ghost Hunters International, which i am not sure about its popularity.
Im also not sure what T.A.P.S stands for sorry.
IMO Most Haunted does use artistic license to make the show more entertaining, and I'm sure several times they have used trickery, the obvious
trickery is always around, Karl Beattie, and Stuart ???? sorry can't remember his Surname, and IMO Stuart acts way over the top for someone
investigating the Paranormal.
Ghost Hunters IMO is more professional looking, but still, i feel embarrassed for them sometimes, they line up like school kids during their live
shows during breaks, i think it makes them look daft sorry, as for their investigations, they are too short, I will tell you though, the guy with the
bald head, the leader of TAPS, thet guy is fearless, ive only ever seen him jump once or twice, and that makes the British show Most Haunted team look
like little girls.
Just to add, Most Haunted is run by a company called Antix productions, this company is owned by Yvette Fielding, and Karl Beattie, the presenters of
the show, also they have just started their own TV channel called the Paranormal channel, on cable here in the UK, right now it looks a little cheap,
really old shows and a ton of repeating already aired shows, but everything has to start somewhere.
I'm guessing this thread was bumped by Anonymous user? thats why its a few years old, and their post wont appear until viewed by a MOD?
Anyhow thats all i know about Most Haunted, and Ghost Hunters, out of the two, Ghost Hunters is more professional, Most Haunted needs less Karl and
Stuart antics, a lot less screaming, and they need to stop bleeping everything out, you can't hear a word for bleeps its shown at a time when bleeps
shouldn't be needed, and we are all grown ups, if people don't like the language they can switch channels, all that bleeping ruins it IMO, less self
important presenters, and sound back on their live show web cams. IMHO.
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reply to post by dave420
These shows covered in this thread are nothing but Entertainment, they tried to be scientific 5 years ago, but nothing was good enough to pass the
test.
I think it is now directed at the Late night adult family members, who want to just sit as a family, and enjoy TV, and as long as they enjoy it then
thats fine IMO.
My mum used to love watching it, i even used to record it for her when she was in the Hospice where she died peaceful and happy, I;m also certain
there are many many little old ladies out there who love these shows, its their excitement , their way of being scared in the safety of their own
homes, which i think is wonderful.
The people who watch these shows most of them know its TV, and they know it's a way of them joining in, and that is wonderful too.
Everybody is doing this stuff now, it's a great way for friends to get together and go have a night of Ghost Hunting, i know I've done it myself, we
didn't take it all that seriously, even though some of us got scared, and that is what it was about, socializing and doing something other than going
and getting drunk, its cheap it's fun and there lots of hugging going on.
Let the Scientist do it their way now, and let the people do it theirs, to be honest i don't think the average viewer cares about evidence anymore,
as long as they get a little suspense.
Entertainment is all it is, you can't do Scientific with all those people around in the TV crew.
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yes these show are for entertainment purposes only!!!! Its called Television... and who ever comes up with shows on TV that are in commercial
channels tend to go for the shows that are going to rake in the viewers and by doing so control the content of each episode.
Good that people watch these shows and are shown "spritual" aspects of what goes on, even though its hyped and/or fake. Coverage of this stuff is a
must so that more people can be at least in the know about spiritual aspects of the world. The source fake or not, its a starting point i guess...
Bad thing is when its fake people tend to believe the "real" deals are fake too...
Hmmm...
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