reply posted on 31-10-2005 @ 10:55 PM by Viendin
The simple fact that this new board is for speculative theories doesn't mean it's a harbour-house for fake theories, or conclusions to be jumped to.
Watch out, 1065 word barely edited dinger of a post coming your way.
This has been found, discussed, and debunked several times over in other forums and even on ATS. Indiadaily is worthless as a source.
Even were Indiadaily a good source, the story says next to nothing.
It says that "tibetan monks" who use "remote viewing" claim that "extra terrestrials" will arrive in "2012".
I quoted each word that was poorly used. First, Remote Viewing was developed by Ingo Swann in the 80's as part of a CIA program to spy on Russia. He
denies this, but there are FIA documents that show his heavy involvement in the creation of the Remote Viewing project. Remote Viewing rarely, if
ever, tells you about the intents/thoughts of creatures, and especially rarely events in the future. It gives you vague ideas of locations, shapes and
colours. It is meant to complement knowledge/surveillance already made. At greater levels, it is useable to observe people, but this has never had
solid evidence that really supports it. There is some evidence for Remote Viewing of the lower orders -which is very neat - but still far from proven.
It's a possibility, but not any sort of a given, or a reliable fact. Tibetan Monks would have to be using some other crazy thing like Astral
Projection which has no real scientific basis at all, unless they're using documents taken from the United States from the late 80s, which refutes
their authority on the subject.
Next, "tibetan monks". Assuming that indiadaily has given us truth here, and not utter fabrication, we have been told only that this feat was
completed by 'tibetan monks'. So, anyone who lives in tibet and believes in a religion fanatically can count themselves inside that group. Does the
Dalai Lama support this statement? Are these Buddhists? Daoists? Cultists? People in this thread assume "tibetan monks" have authority, when they
could be just like us, and not know a thing.
Continuing, the whole "extra terrestrials" thing isn't even accredited to the monks! Supposed "scientific analysis" of the monks' comments seems
to suggest that they mean aliens. When asked "do you mean aliens?" they smiled. Maybe.. they didn't understand the question? I know that when a
person who doesn't speak my language is buying something from me at my store, if I ask them something, like "Will that be on your credit card
today?" they often smile, and even nod, then hand me a $20 bill. Even further, it's said in the article that it's not even all that likely it'll
happen, as they'll only reveal themselves if they absolutely need to - but eventually we'll see these divine sources anyway. That sounds like one of
those classic "can't peg me for lying" covers.
Finally, 2012. Why have they never said this before? In the last year, did it suddenly become utterly more evident? Could they not have, say, 2000
years ago (as the article asserts that monks have done this for thousands of years) looked forward and said "In the year referred to by what will be
called christans as "The 2012th year of our lord", a great war will happen, but supernatural beings will intervene. Well, they don't seem to have
said it before - so it seems strange to me that it's just suddenly jumped up.
And beyond that, the math is just not any real argument. Look.
6 5 23 9 - random numbers. Really, just off the top of my head.
65 + 23 + 9 = 97
9-7 = 2
2 * 9 = 18
1+8 = 9
7 + 2 = 9!
My god, that neat little thing where the digits of multiples of 9 sum to a multiple of 9 proves beyond a doubt that 65239 is a good number, because it
turns into god's number, 9, which is the reverse of the 6 that the beast uses in his number.
That's been shown thousands of times - interesting coincidences involving dates are not proof that those dates are meaningful nor "chosen".
What does all that I've taken so long to say mean?
That you can't make conclusions.
I'm not going to stand here and say "Therefore you are all wrong and I am right and this is fake for sure." - because, in all honesty, I don't
know what's going to happen in 2012. I don't know, and no one should.
I'm simply going to say that this one horribly weak article is not any sort of a be all end all truth that causes us all to dance in rejoicement and
sing to the heavens, because we have proof that Aliens will come. Just take things with a grain of salt folks, and do your research.
Also, the whole 4th dimension expanding thing is garbage. That much I know for fact - they talk about expanding our chromosomes and such and I've
read articles (attempted as unbiased studies into the idea) of roughly what most "Expand into the 4th dimension" sites claim - and it appears to
make us about 3 animals at once, and to overall be like we are cancer. Not that we have cancer, but that every bit of our bodies would malfunction,
and we would, basically, be cancer. It's not a scientifically sound theory, and there have been numerous incidents where people tried to use it to
steal money. While some new age spiritualism is very interesting and has some cool implications, that particular brand of "4th dimension expansion"
or someodd is really garbage.
I don't expect agreement from all post-readers, but I do ask that, if you make a reply in the spirit of a debate, please don't quote every single
sentence of mine seperately. I've split my post into general regions of thought for a reason - if you disagree with a particular area, please just
quote that paragraph once, if you have to quote at all. Often, simply referencing "when I talked about 2012" or something will make it abundantly
clear what you're replying to/refuting. I'll try to do the same for you - it's just that those heavily broken up 'quote-answer, quote-answer,
quote-answer' posts are one of my big pet peeves. Thanks in advance.