My theory on the secret behind Rennes-le-Chateau, page 7

Blue Apples!

Complete decoded message from the parchments:

SHEPHERDESS NO TEMPTATION THAT POUSSIN TENIERS HOLD THE KEY; PEACE 681 BY THE CROSS AND THIS HORSE OF GOD I COMPLETE (OR DESTROY) THIS DAEMON OF THE GUARDIAN AT NOON BLUE APPLES)

A new Nicholas Poussin painting to look at entitled Autumn. The Grapes from the Promised Land.

With an apple tree and blue grapes the size of apples!

www.abcgallery.com...

"AT NOON BLUE APPLES"

Look at what is at 12 o'clock in this painting. That's that mountain with the structure at the foot that they talk about being like the "throne of God" or something like that. MEMORY CHARGE IN ORDER!!!

*runs away to find what I'm trying to remember*

HEY! And don't miss the naked guy by the underground stream over to the right!



[edit on 10-31-2005 by Valhall]

Found this, it's called the "blue apples phenomenon"

Apparently the sun shines through a stained glass window and projects "apples" on the floor. It would appear that at noon the apples lie on the alter. Very strange!

www.renneslechateau.com...



One more thing I found on that site, but it's just a theory...

[Rennes] was the refuge of Prince Sigebert 4 in 681,he was King Dagobert 2(St Dagobert).It was also the house of their descendants ,counts of Rhédae and dukes of Razès…

To king Dagobert 2 and Sion this treasure belongs and it is death

Interesting connection to Dagobert II.......



[edit on 31-10-2005 by MrMysterious]

I found this one maybe usefull


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also a lot of witchcraft pictures from same artist
can be found here

Originally posted by MankoW
I found this one maybe usefull


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also a lot of witchcraft pictures from same artist
can be found here

Got that one....It's number 10.

I'm sure, however, there are probably more.

Good finds loam! We had found one of those (a second temptation), and then last night Mirthful Me found this one by Teniers entitled The Rich Man being Led to Hell, which has a lot of the same elements:

The Rich Man being Led to Hell

Mirthful Me is convinced Teniers was a religious satyrist who spoke his opinion of what was happening in and or with the church through his paintings.

I think this particular one you found is striking among all of them. The Temptation of St. Anthony in this particular one comes via the lady bringing him a chalice of water taken from the Underground Stream to the left.

img477.imageshack.us...

Also, I think you are dead on about the flask. I cannot find a single instance that it appears along with an hourglass.

[edit on 11-1-2005 by Valhall]

Poussin, too, repainted the same scenes over and over. It is assumed for different patrons who may have viewed the first and requested their own. He ended up painting two full sets of the sacraments.

There are two recurring scenes that he painted many, many times with variations each time (as would be assumed because it would be down right boring to try to paint the exact same painting over and over). These two scenes are the Holy Family, being the one he seems to have painted the most, always showing Joseph, Elizabeth with baby John, and Mary with baby Jesus; the second is the Baptism of Christ.

One particular pair of paintings of the Baptism of Christ by Poussin is interesting. Unlike the other renderings of this scene, which always had considerable differences in perspective, surrounding characters, etc. these two paintings are almost identical. Almost, that is.

In this first one we see the crowd of witnesses pointing toward a common area of the sky. But there is nothing there. In addition, we see the a pile of clothes in the forefront at the bottom right hand side of the painting, and a man standing by them. The young man at the back of the crowd is looking backward to him and pointing at the same area of the sky the rest are. The river flows past Christ and across the front of the painting.

www.abcgallery.com...

This second one is the same scene, but with a vastly different painting style. The major differences are: now the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove is seen in the sky where the crowd points. But the pile of clothes are gone, and the man who stood back away from the crowd to the right of the first painting is now gone. But curiously, the young man in the rear of the crowd is still turned toward the missing man. The man being removed from the painting reveals a nude person at the bank of the river in the background. The stream no longers flows across the front of the painting.

www.abcgallery.com...

www.abcgallery.com... <--that one needs to be put into photoshop to see if whats written and symbolised in the sky section can be seen more clearly. The top left part has straight lines intersecting unlike the bottom of the pic where he has painted all round like in curves and shapes.

It looks almost if there is another painting underneath that has come thru a bit on the blue sky areas

also once again look at the fingers... closely..especially the dude in the middle with his thumb and forefinger pointing and the other three fngers folded down, the same as two of the dues in i think it was the arcadia pic

[edit on 1-11-2005 by Mayet]

[edit on 1-11-2005 by Mayet]

I have been researching the part of the coded message that reads PEACE 681. Here is what I found. It is extremely curious that it ties to the Arian teachings that could be connected with Teniers' paintings containing St. Anthony - who you could view as basically being drawn from his isolation to come out against the Arian teachings.

The Arian teachings were quashed by the Roman church in 300-400 a.d. Now since the issue that was being contested by the Arian's was the Roman church's statement

Christ is equivalent to God

and the Roman church won, what followed was about 300 years of people pointing out this causes a few logistical problems. For instance, if you just take the Garden of Gethsemane and the Crucifixion, you have two instances in which God is talking to Himself in a rather schizophrenic kind of way. You could rephrase the prayer in Gethsemane as

"If it's my will I'll let this cup pass me."

And the cry on the cross by the Christ as

"Me Me why have I forsaken me?"

Also, there were a few people who had a great ainxt over the fact this resulted in the Roman church calling Mary "the mother of God". It didn't set well with some.

So there came various "factions", almost always out of Alexandria where the battle against the Constantine changes to the church doctrine would erupt, that would try to point out the problems with the equivalency doctrine. A set of groups with the names Eutychianism (apparently named after Eutyches), Monophysites, and Monothelites taught against one of the doctrines the Roman church applied in order to get around the problems that arose by the equivalency doctrine.

That being the will of Christ.

If you just take the Garden of Gethsemane prayer and Christ's cry on the cross you see how once the Roman church "won" on the equivalency issue, they had a sticky wicket. The prayer and the cry would not have taken place if Christ was the equivalent of God. In order to get around this, the Roman church came up with the two-willed Christ. Christ had a man-will and he had God's will. So when he wanted to eat, be scared, or sad his man-will would kick in - but only because his God will allowed it to.

Eutychianism, Monophysites, and Monothelites basically all said "B.S.". You are making two Christs. There can only be one will. Now, the importance to the Roman church of this particular battle can't be diminished. They only had two options here: rescind the equivalency doctrine, or win this one. Because if Christ could only have one will, it would have to be God's will, because the only other choice is 100% man's will - and that is in opposition to Christ being equivalent to God.

And, of course, the Roman church did win. They held the Third Council of Constantinople and in 681 they published their Exposition of Faith on the matter. They opened this exposition by quoting the words of Christ:

I am the light of the world; anyone who follows me shall not walk in darkness but shall have the light of life, and again, My peace I leave to you, my peace I give you.

The entire opening paragraph reads as follows:

The only Son and Word of God the Father, who became a man like us in all things but sin, Christ our true God, proclaimed clearly in the words of the gospel; I am the light of the world; anyone who follows me shall not walk in darkness but shall have the light of life, and again, My peace I leave to you, my peace I give you. Our most mild emperor, champion of right belief and adversary of wrong belief, guided in godly wisdom by this teaching of peace spoken by God, has brought together this holy and universal assembly of ours and set at one the whole judgment of the church.

Now, the curious connection between what happened in 681 and certain weird symbolism that could be employed by depicting St. Anthony, is that the Church now views Eutychianism, Monophysitism, and Monothelitism all as forms of Arianism.

Another curious thing found while researching this came when I found that the Third Council of Constantinople issued this exposition of faith on the will(s) of Christ under Pope Leo II. nerdling had noticed that the snake in the particular rendition of the Temptation of St. Anthony that we were looking at seemed to be drawn in the astrological sign of Leo. nerdling has a very good link that can be compared and I'll have to rely on him to share that.

But another thing that Mirthful Me pointed out is that in the 1600's while Tenier and Poussin were painting away, the Reformation was taking place - under Pope Leo X. That's a wild bit of coincidence, isn't it?

[edit on 11-1-2005 by Valhall]

Another curious thing found while researching this came when I found that the Third Council of Constantinople issued this exposition of faith on the will(s) of Christ under Pope Leo II. nerdling had noticed that the snake in the particular rendition of the Temptation of St. Anthony that we were looking at seemed to be drawn in the astrological sign of Leo. nerdling has a very good link that can be compared and I'll have to rely on him to share that.

The fire lion serpent is quite popular in esoteric writings down through time.

whoa... hey this is weird...

I just thought of something..

Aleister Crowley quite visibly portrays this concept in his major arkana card of 14, Art....

Aleister Crowley was a bit different with his Thoth tarot deck. He renamed a few of the major arcana cards to different names than previously known in esoteric circles. I have worked on one of these before which is another story but this fascinating connection I just made then is quite bizzare. Crowley called this card below Art



It is number 14 of the major arcana and one of the names that changed in his deck. Funny enough we are talking art and leo(fire) serpents, which crowley card has both. the original name of the card that Crowley changed number 14 Art is...temperance.........


I am not sure but my mind has it fuzzy that he may have gone to Rennes, Crowley I think but i think it wasn't what he was looking for so he left. Have to read up on that again to be sure.



Lyrics Of A Song About It
Lion serpent sun
Point the holy wand
Thou sixfold star
Force and fire

Lion serpent sun
Thou exalted one
Lion serpent sun
Point the holy wand

Lion serpent sun
Sword of flame
Lion serpent sun
Chant the holy name



[edit on 1-11-2005 by Mayet]

[edit on 1-11-2005 by Mayet]

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In doing so, there is perhaps something conspicuous when we look at Crowley's "Art" trump, whilst we have these fabled "blue apples" on our minds, and that is the seven nuclei of the Nitrogen atom which appear on this card, flattened within the nucleus and symbolizing the atomic number rather than the atomic weight, identical to the manner in which many ancient diagrams of atoms do, and with the azure coloring to assure us that the etymology of "azure" and "azote" that tends to associate them is indeed valid, even though the proposition has led some authors to prematurely criticize it for having distorted the frame of reference to suggest it means the ancients "worshipped Nitrogen". The worship of Nitrogen may be ludicrous, but rather than insisting on worship, we may wisely insist on the Nitrogen, and momentarily set aside the provisional idea of worship; the ancients recognized and seemingly anthromorphicized this element, and others.

Also I just realised something as I went to look on google for association "crowley rennes" and I came up with the above page. Then something further hit me. I have posted here before my deciphering and decoding of Crowleys major arcana. I have found the number system behind it. What didn't strike me until I read the above quote though, is that this card everyone seems to be associating with Rennes, and not just me from the things I just found on google, I saw first association in the fire lion serpent val wrote from nerdling and said about the connection of the words Art = Temperance...which happens to be one of the cards I changed in the historical sequence of attributes, used by most accultists in history, including the golden dawn and others, was the 14 Art or Temperance card, previously was attributed to Sagitarius but when I did the system I later called the "mayet system" I moved the 14 Art card to be attributed now to Leo, partially because of the fire lion serpent.

That is why I am familiar with the fire lion serpent legends. The eagle which represents scorpio, aka serpent, scorpion, eagle (the three stages of scorpio,,, or solid, liquid, gas, the trinity, life - death - regeneration,, is usually white to signify the water element in which it sits. The lion is usally red,fire, the two had swapped in the card, so in one of the movements after the first one I did with the card called "adjustment" (another co-incidence),

www.rejectz.com...

heres the link to my decoding. If Crowley did meet the guy at Rennes, then anythings possible.

Sorry if you think I am going off track but it just seems significant in the whole scheme of things. I wasn't the only one in history to spot a connection between Rennes and Crowleys 14 art card .......I always wondered why he called it art, I think I may have an idea now.

anyhows I will butt out now and get back to working on it all here. Sorry if I sound nuts but there is just so much to this story that encompasses so much over time and has bearing on us today just as it did yesterday.

[edit on 1-11-2005 by Mayet]

Ok...one more...




BTW, Valhall, do you intend to discuss the portrait of the Investiture of Pope Celestine V? This would appear to be the third painting Berenger Sauniere purportedly went to view when he travelled to the Louvre in Paris.




[edit on 1-11-2005 by loam]

I read a lot this morning about the Merovingian line and I’ve got tons of questions but I’ll boil it down to a few. But first I have to review so that I can keep it straight in my head.


Here are a few observations:

The Arcadia Languedoc connection

The Franks, and therefore the Merovingians, claimed to be descendants of the Visigoths.
The Visigoths are a branch of the Goths and believed to have been from Scandinavia.
The Visigoths first arrived on the scene when they invaded the Balkans Peninsula in the
late 3rd century. The Visigoths were Arian Catholics.

Ancient Arcadia was located in the Balkans, the middle of the Peloponnesus to be more precise.

One thing worth noting: in 681 The Bulgars win the war with the Byzantine Empire; the latter signs a peace treaty, which is considered as the birth-date of Bulgaria.
“Peace 681”

Now oddly enough one crime both the Templars and the Cathars were accused of was homosexuality, specifically buggary.

Buggary:
It was as a result of this particular belief that the term "buggery" was coined (after the 'Bulgars', or 'Bougres', or followers of the Bogomils) since if they were to give in to sexual temptation, this would at least ensure that no children resulted.

Interestingly enough the Bogomils were Bulgars aka Bulgarians! Odd connection considering the Visigoth history of the Languedoc area!

The Salian Franks’, a branch of the Franks, first king is considered to be Pharamond, but he could be a fictional character. So lets say the first real king of the Franks is Clodio. Clodio’s wife is pregnant when she’s raped by a Quinotaur. Clodio’s wife gives birth to Merowig who the Merovingian line is named for.

The idea of having sex or been raped by a sea creature is not that uncommon in classic mythology, especially in Greek Mythology. If we can trace the Franks to the Visigoths to the Balkans Peninsula it’s not too far of a leap to assume that they heard some of the stories of Poseidon and his conquest of human women and that it may have traveled with them. See www.pantheon.org for more into on Poseidon.

So would I be wrong to assume that the possible origins of the Merowig is just another adaptation of classical mythology in an attempt to show divine right? If it specifically said a fish or fish like creature I personally would be inclined to agree with those who think it’s a hidden reference to Jesus, the whole fish thing.

And who could forget Et in Arcadia Ego?


Knight Templar and Sigebert 4 and the Dualistic Nature of Jesus

The grave marker of princes Sigebert 4, Sigebert 5 and Bera 3 had an image of two knights on a horse.

One of many symbols of the Templars was two knights on one horse

The Knights Templar was founded in 1118ad and the earliest know time this symbol was used by the order was 1158ad. Sigberts tomb was created in 771ad, 386 years earlier!

According to the Templars the two knights on one horse represent the dualistic nature of the warrior/monk as well as the vow of poverty. But I think it could represent the Dualist nature of Christ as believed by the Arian Catholics as well as the Cathars.


Now it’s also speculation that Sigebert IV (676-758) was also known as the 'Plant-Ard' - from whom Mr Plantard took his name!-: Sigebert V (695-768), Bera III (715-771), Guillemon, Bera IV (755-836), Bera V (794-860), Hildéric I and finally Sigebert VI known as 'Ursus'. From this lineage came the Blanchefort family who gave three centuries later a Templar Grand Master, Bertrand de Blanchefort.

From Wikipedia

Bertrand de Blanchefort or Blanquefort (c. 1109-January 2, 1169) was the sixth Grand Master of the Knights Templar, from 1156 until his death.

Now he was the 6th Grand Master, check this out…

Peace 681: 6+8+1= 15 1+5=6

Rennes Church was completed in 771ad: 7+7+1=15 1+5=6

Death of Marie de Saint-Clair, grand master of the Priory of Sion and descendant of Henry de Saint-Clair, Baron of Rosslyn in Scotland, who accompanied Godroi de Bouillon on the First Crusade - 1266 1+2+6+6=15 1=5=6

Jacques de Molay claims to have joined the Templars in 1266 1+2+6+6=15 1=5=6
See en.wikipedia.org... two different theroies on when he joined 1266 or 1265

The Roman numerals LIXLIXL on one of the graves at Rennes:
L IX L IX L = 50, 9, 50, 9, 50 = 168 (if you add a 1 to the end of this number you get the Year of Marie's death as inscribed on the headstone). Also if you rearrange the numerals you get 681, a number which revealed itself in the large manuscript, PAX 681 and 6+8+1=15 1+5=6

or

Finally the numbers can be written as LIX LI XL which translate into 59, 51, 40 which when added together yield a total of 150. 1+5+0=6

Lastly there are 6 dots in between the legs of the creature at the base of the headstone of Marie 6 dots in between the legs of the creature at the base of the headstone.

Is this just a co-incidence or am I just looking to close to see the whole picture?

Interestingly; Marie Hautpoul de Blanchefort a descendant of Bertrand de Blanchefort is the women rumored to have given Antoine Bigou the scrolls that Saunière found at Rennes!

From: www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

In the Heraldry foundations of France, the lineage maps from Bertrand de Blanchefort, 4th Templar and Sion Order Grand Master, go directly back to Meruvingian King Dagobert II, who was assassinated on December 23rd

This makes my head hurt!

Ok,
If Mary and Jesus came to the South of France, how do the Merovingians link to them if they came from Northern France?

Are we sure that PAX681 is to mean Peace? PAX could also mean:
1. A small flat tablet adorned with a sacred image that worshippers kiss when offered the kiss of peace. Are we missing something in Saunière’s restoration of Rennes?
2. The kiss of peace.
[from dictionary.com]

Anyone have a thought as to what God’s Horse is all about?

What's with all the 6s?

And finally If Marie Hautpoul de Blanchefort gave these documents to her priest and not to another family memeber, could we surmise that she was the last of the line directly related to Dagobert II?

That's all I can think of for now.....

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