My theory on the secret behind Rennes-le-Chateau, page 6
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reply posted on 30-10-2005 @ 11:27 AM by Valhall
Okay, passing forward to the TENIERS and NO TEMPTATION parts of the decoded statement, we move to two works by David Teniers the Younger. Teniers lived at the same time as Poussin and was in very high circles. One of the more curious aspects of what we're about to discuss here is that once again we will be looking at two paintings that seem to be of the same location (or theme possibly), but with undeniable changes. The first being painted in the 1630's (as Poussin's Et in Arcadia Ego was) and the second painted after 1640 (as Poussin's Les Bergers d'Arcadie was). Which kind of makes the reader think - what happened around 1640???

The decoded message contains "NO TEMPTATION". I believe the "no" is as important as the "temptation" in Teniers' case. Teniers, in the 1630's painted the work entitled Saints Anthony and Paul in a Landscape.

First let us look at the importance of St. Anthony.
St. Anthony lived ca. 250-350 (he is reported to have lived to 105 years of age). There are two important facets of St. Anthony's life that should be pointed out relative to the two paintings by Teniers.

1. St. Anthony founded monasticism. He was basically the first monk. The cloistered life he led is very important when we get to the second painting concerning his temptation.

2. St. Anthony traveled to Alexandria - the center of teachings that seemed to always be butting heads with that of Constantine's church - two times in his life. The second time, which was near the end of his life, was to preach against Arianism (not to be confused with Aryanism - this has nothing to do with purity of race). Arius and MANY OTHER EARLY CHURCH FATHERS believed Christ to NOT be equal to God, but instead a Creation of God subordinate to His authority - divine in nature, but not equivalent to the Creator. This is very important, because this I PERSONALLY BELIEVE, points to a FOUNDATIONAL DOCTRINE taught in the Catholic church and in the protestant churches that is FALSE.

Christ himself - in the RED LETTERS of my Bible - recognizes and clearly states his subordinate position to the authority of the Father.

In researching this I've just found out - I'm Arian in my beliefs. Take it for what it is worth, condemn me if you wish, but I try to follow the words of Christ and he says he is subordinate to the Creator, who am I to argue with it? And who was anybody else who decided to ignore those words???

This very point - that St. Anthony crawled out of his hole to rail against - could very well be the point the secret surrounds. We could have a foreshadowing of what it effects in the christian dogma of today.

So the following painting by Teniers is of St. Anthony with his disciple St. Paul (not of the New Testament). At first glance it appears as not much more than a landscape showing the two saints cloistered away on a cliff. But actually there is much more to this picture - and especially after it is compared to the later painting by Teniers.

NOTE: Again I point out that these observations are a collaborative effort between nerdling, Mirthful Me and myself. I will try my best to give credit where credit is due.



The first thing that should be done is to split the painting in half diagonally. As follows:



or as nerdling so succinctly puts it. Split the foreground from the background. Because they truly are two different worlds, as will be detailed shortly.

In the foreground we have Anthony and Paul discussing their manuscripts. To the immediate right, as nerdling so aptly noticed, we have a grotto - a church. The church is cast in darkness. Within the church we can see in the shadows a table on which sets a flask sealed with a spherical top. nerdling also feels he can see the spirit of the crucifixion in the shadows. I will leave that for him to demonstrate on his own. To the far right is the cross - propped up and beginning to fall over.

Now, let us look at the background, which seems to be intentionally separated from the world in which Anthony and Paul live by a great dark chasm or river??? (is this the underground stream?). Teniers has used a blatantly different color scheme in this portion of the painting to create a world that is clothed in color and light compared to the austere darkened world the saints live in. There is a castle that can be seen near the center of the painting in the distance atop a mountain. nerdling points out that it looks like an owl (wisdom?). Near the middle of this "land" is a naked figure running along the bank of the stream. nerdling wonders if this could point to Adam or an Adamic nature. It is very unclear.

But the most curious part of this painting is found to the far left of the background. Two men - dressed in modern-day garb stand atop a slight knoll overlooking the stream. They appear to be looking at something. A map? A compass? Who knows. But these are extremely anachronistic figures in two different ways.

1. Anthony and Paul lived in the 300's.
2. Teniers painted this in the 1630's.

Those men are wearing clothes from today. They are sporting haircuts from today. To prove this point I offer a few sketches of the fashions from Teniers' time:

From 1630:



In 1633 an edict was issued demanding that French men go to plainer clothes. Here are two examples of that "plainer fashion":





But as can be seen in this drawing from 1636 - the French men held to their "frills":



(Above images taken from www.costumes.org... .)

We will now move to the second Teniers' painting entitled The Temptation of St. Anthony painted after 1640.



The place in which St. Anthony is depicted is almost identical to that in the first picture. This painting has just a slight shift in perspective (a few feet to the left from the first one), and therefore centers not on a world separated in the background (in fact he further conceals the background, most notably the stream and the castle by placing a large tree and building up the mountain), but on the church. The church is now bathed in light. The table that sat in the shadows of the previously darkened church is now out in the open and St. Anthony actually sits at it. The flask with the spherical top sits on the table as well as the Arcadian skull. A decapitated ram sits just to the right of St. Anthony. Strange bat-birds hover over head - one possibly has something (a skull?) A snake slithers across the ground making the sign of Leo (as noticed by nerdling). A broom is planted in the ground in front of the shed (paganism?) (as noticed by Mirthful Me). The cross is gone and has been replaced with a trough possibly made from it. From this trough flows the Underground Stream. The temptation of St. Anthony appears to be from the woman (with horns coming out of her bonnet) pointing toward the stream - the secret knowledge.

And low and behold once again we have two characters that are anachronistic. The two observers? sitting on the ground by the shed. The one in blue appears to wear boots not reminiscent of 1630's-40's France, but more like military boots of the past century. Even his blue coat appears to be in line with a modern day parka of sorts. He holds something up to his face (a telescope?, a flute? who knows). But even more bizarre is the figure sitting to his left. Described has having a monkey's face or a ram's face - or maybe even a gas mask??? But not a human face.

When both paintings are combined (no temptation, and temptation), we find that Teniers tells a story as HE predicts it to unfold. This is our interpretation of what Teniers is trying to say:

The church which is founded on the cross is in darkness. The secret is hidden in the darkness of the church. But there will be people come from far in the future who will look for the secret...

when the secret is made public, the cross will be destroyed and the church "enlightened". This enlightenment will come from the Underground Stream.

I left something out. I believe Teniers used St. Anthony, due his founding of monasticism, as a symbol of the negligence that could occur in the church (i.e. men so buried in a world of study that they ignore what is happening).

[edit on 10-30-2005 by Valhall]


reply posted on 30-10-2005 @ 12:02 PM by loam



reply posted on 30-10-2005 @ 11:09 PM by QuietSoul
One of my major interests in all of this so far is the Ordre de Sion. The author of Holy Blood, Holy Grail makes several connections indicating that the Knights Templar may have been purposly formed to serve this Order. He also points out that the Order has direct connections to the start of the Crusaders (Peter the Hermit being a member).

I'm not fully convinced just yet that the Knights Templar found a "secret". Whatever they found in the old temple of Soloman seemed to have changed them greatly, but it could have been anything from a massive treasure (greed), to a Religion breaking 'secret'. But the book (so far) hasnt made a convincing explanation.

I still have a lot of reading to do, but one thing that's for sure, is this Ordre of Sion seems to have some kind of massive power at the time. When the Knights Templar broke off their relationship from the Ordre, they were slaughtered.

Also Valhall, I'm not sure if you know of this (I bought a revised version of Lincoln's book, with a bunch of new info added), but the Tomb found in the Les Bergers d'Arcadie was found near the chateau of Arques. There's very striking resemblance from the picture to the tomb found in Arques. Even the stone in which one of Poussin's shepard's rests his foot on was there.

Also, regarding the Les Bergers d'Arcadie, the shepard, as you stated possibly pointing at the shadow, seems to be pointing to the inscription on the tomb.

In my version of the book, theres a full page pic of the painting, and you can clearly see theres some kind of inscription there.. The book states that the inscription reads:

ET IN ARCADIA EGO


which translates to "And in Arcadia I ..."

The author goes on to state that the parchments found by Sauniere had relied heavily on anagrams, on the transposition and rearrangment of letters. He theorizes the ET IN ARCADIA EGO could have been I TEGO ARCANA DEI

BEGONE! I CONCEAL THE SECRETS OF GOD

Could the verb have been omitted so that the inscription would consist only of certain precise letters? Who knows. Even after rereading it several times while making this post, I don't comprehend how he came up with that translation.. he argues that the original inscriptions oddly leaves out a verb, indicating past, present and future. After rearranging the letters, he comes up with a verb.

Unfortunatly, the tomb as pictured is no longer there. I can't find the date, but the owner of the land destroyed it because too many looters were trying to break into it. It's reported that the tomb was empty.

Pic of Tomb:
etinwebego.chez.tiscali.fr...

It's argued the tomb was erected by the landowner well after Poussin's painting, but Lincoln argues it's location, resemblance and accounts of local farmers and a mention of the tomb in a memoir dating from 1709.

I'm not convinced he's pointing at the shadow, but moreso, maybe they made the connection with the inscription and what it could mean?

Who knows.


reply posted on 31-10-2005 @ 05:31 AM by Valhall
I found something of interest concerning the images in Teniers' Temptation. Going with the symbology of the ram:

The ram is connected with Alexander the Great. He used this symbol (having his coins made depicting him with rams horns) to signify his self-proclamation of being the son of Zeus Ammon versus the biological son of Phillip II.

www.greenspun.com...

Zeus Ammon is the greek deity associated with the temple of Siwa in Egypt.

Alexander the Great decided he was the earthly son of Zeus Ammon after visiting the shrine of Zeus Ammon in Siwa (Siwah) Egypt. There are interesting connections in the historical record of his journey to the shrine:

In the winter of 331 BC Alexander led an expedition to the Oasis of Siwah in order to visit the famous oracular shrine of Zeus Ammon. This march was said to have been assisted by groups of snakes and birds who showed the way through the sandy wastes. Upon his arrival Alexander was hailed as the son of the god (a normal greeting for Pharaohs). The king either misunderstood or purposely misconstrued this salutation and began to claim divine parentage even among his Greek and Macedonian troops. Embassies from various Asian cities quickly affirmed the declaration of Zeus Ammon, adding to Alexander's growing megalomania.
(emphasis added)

www.seleukids.org...

Interesting that we have the ram, snake and bizarro birds all in this one pic.

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