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Sunni Arabs Launch Political Campaign To Kick Out America

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posted on Oct, 27 2005 @ 04:40 PM
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Three small Sunni parties formed a coalition list on Wednesday. The Iraqi Islamic Party, the National Dialogue Council and the People's Gathering will join forces to contest the December 15 elections.

Before anyone gets too excited about this development, it should be noted that Reuters goes on to report,


' "Our political program will focus more on getting the Americans out of Iraq," Hussein al-Falluji, a prominent Sunni who took part in talks on the constitution, told Reuters. "Our message to the American administration is clear: get out of Iraq or set a timetable for withdrawal or the resistance will keep slaughtering your soldiers until Judgment Day." '

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Its nice to see them orgainzing politically to promote what the majority of the Iraqi people want.

One way, or another we will force them to work together.

Whether its with us, or against us is up to us.

As long as we are digging in, and killing civilians the prospects of a Pro-US Iraq dwindle.




posted on Oct, 27 2005 @ 04:47 PM
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I agree with you for once. When I read about it I took it as good news also. It's nice to more sunnis joining the political process. If they want us out of Iraq the best way to do it is through politics not blood. I'm happy they are starting to realize that even though I'm sure insurgent attacks won't let up, but over time this could help.

[edit on 27-10-2005 by USAF6933]



posted on Oct, 27 2005 @ 08:55 PM
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Did you not see this:

"Our message to the American administration is clear: get out of Iraq or set a timetable for withdrawal or the resistance will keep slaughtering your soldiers until Judgment Day." '

The sunnis are the resistance.

They are 20% of the population. Their views do not reflect the majority of Iraqis.

Alll they are saying is, give us what we want or the bloodshed will continue. And that means innocent Iraqi blood as well as American blood.



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel

Three small Sunni parties formed a coalition list on Wednesday. The Iraqi Islamic Party, the National Dialogue Council and the People's Gathering will join forces to contest the December 15 elections.

Before anyone gets too excited about this development, it should be noted that Reuters goes on to report,


' "Our political program will focus more on getting the Americans out of Iraq," Hussein al-Falluji, a prominent Sunni who took part in talks on the constitution, told Reuters. "Our message to the American administration is clear: get out of Iraq or set a timetable for withdrawal or the resistance will keep slaughtering your soldiers until Judgment Day." '

continued...


Its nice to see them orgainzing politically to promote what the majority of the Iraqi people want.

One way, or another we will force them to work together.

Whether its with us, or against us is up to us.

As long as we are digging in, and killing civilians the prospects of a Pro-US Iraq dwindle.


I'm pretty sure most Iraqis dont want us there, but know we must stay until Iraq can fend for itself. In fact, every Iraqi I have ever met had this opinion.

[edit on 28-10-2005 by Dronetek]



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 08:15 AM
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Hmmm.
I don't exacly call this politics. More a mouthpiece for terrorism.

Politics doesn't involve making threats against other people's lives. We've just seen the Iranian president do exactly the same and look at the furore that has caused.

Focussing on the Americans getting out is all well and good. But the only way that is going to be done is through dialogue. One glimmer of hope is that they are asking for a timetable. This does open the door to possible negotiation.

Suprisingly, they don't mention the British getting out. Is this because they already envisage a split Iraq?



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 01:47 PM
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Suprisingly, they don't mention the British getting out. Is this because they already envisage a split Iraq?

I may be wrong, but I thought the Brits already announced plans to withdraw. It happened some time last summer, I think.



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 01:57 PM
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The Sunni's, rather most of them, backed the referendum and the new constitution on 10/15 as a mutually agreed upon strategy to support the new government and further Sunni involvement. And yes, the Sunnis represented (past tense) the insurgency.

So, if elements of the remaining Sunni insurgency want the USA out, I cant disagree with you. But to say the Sunni's wants the USA out and some sort of vote that actually means anything is in progress, you couldn’t be any further from the truth.


[edit on 28-10-2005 by skippytjc]



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky

I may be wrong, but I thought the Brits already announced plans to withdraw. It happened some time last summer, I think.



Nope. The UK government has suggested it might be able to scale down numbers by a few hundred, but it has stated as recently as last week that it has no intention of pulling out of Iraq until the Iraqi government asks it to.



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 02:04 PM
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Actually, there are already signs of withdrawl taking place now by both the US as well as the British forces.
I have thread running on this:
www.abovetopsecret.com...'



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
Did you not see this:

"Our message to the American administration is clear: get out of Iraq or set a timetable for withdrawal or the resistance will keep slaughtering your soldiers until Judgment Day." '

The sunnis are the resistance.

They are 20% of the population. Their views do not reflect the majority of Iraqis.

Alll they are saying is, give us what we want or the bloodshed will continue. And that means innocent Iraqi blood as well as American blood.


The resistance is Sunni, and Shiite, and Kurd, and Christian, and Americans, and even one Israeli.

The occupiers are being attacked in all areas of Iraq by all groups of people.

Why is it so hard for people like you to understand that nobody wants foreign forces in their nation, and that the honeymoon is long over.

Long ago we burned up any points for getting rid of Saddam, and any claims of liberation would require a clear exit policy that Bush refuses to produce.



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel

Why is it so hard for people like you to understand that nobody wants foreign forces in their nation, and that the honeymoon is long over.



Because if the majority of some 26 million people really wanted the Coalition out they would be. There is no way 114,000 or whatever troops could occupy that many with easy access to weapons if they truley wanted the Coalition out.

These so called "Freedom fighters" tend to kill more Iraqies then they do US troops in attacks.

Maybe we should have pulled out of Germany after the Werewolfs started their insurgency against the Allies. Those Nazis sure wanted us out of Germany.

[edit on 28-10-2005 by ShadowXIX]



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 05:07 PM
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Because if the majority of some 26 million people really wanted the Coalition out they would be. There is no way 114,000 or whatever troops could occupy that many with easy access to weapons if they truley wanted the Coalition out.


Did you miss the recent poll?



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 05:10 PM
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These so called "Freedom fighters" tend to kill more Iraqies then they do US troops in attacks.


US troops tend to kill far more innocent Iraqis than terrorists......



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 05:14 PM
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I didnt miss it I infact posted in the thread.

Does it say what area that poll was taken? Sunni, Shiite, Ex-Bath party etc.. dominated locations? Does it say how the questions were worded?

If I took polls in the right places in Germany after WW2 I could get the same results. If I went to other areas in Germany I could get results saying the opposite. If I change how the poll asked the questions I could also influence the results.

[edit on 28-10-2005 by ShadowXIX]



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 05:38 PM
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Does it say what area that poll was taken? Sunni, Shiite, Ex-Bath party etc.. dominated locations? Does it say how the questions were worded?


There are several polls with similar numbers.

Are you saying that you've seen a poll where the majority of Iraqis want us to stay indefinitely?


If I took polls in the right places in Germany after WW2 I could get the same results. If I went to other areas in Germany I could get results saying the opposite. If I change how the poll asked the questions I could also influence the results.


I think the analogy fits poorly.

More closely representing the situation would be "If I took polls in the right places in France after the Nazi invasion......"

[edit on 28-10-2005 by ArchAngel]



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel


I think the analogy fits poorly.

More closely representing the situation would be "If I took polls in the right places in France after the Nazi invasion......"

[edit on 28-10-2005 by ArchAngel]


So comparing a past US Occupation with a insurgency is a bad analogy for a Current one?


Sure whatever



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by Leveller

Originally posted by jsobecky

I may be wrong, but I thought the Brits already announced plans to withdraw. It happened some time last summer, I think.



Nope. The UK government has suggested it might be able to scale down numbers by a few hundred, but it has stated as recently as last week that it has no intention of pulling out of Iraq until the Iraqi government asks it to.


Wrong. maybe things have changed since you last saw any updates, but i have known for the last 3 months that the some of the UK forces are being deployed to Afghanistan. Maybe the Government has told you otherwise, but i know different. Honestly, i do.
Look at the News in November, then check the News in February 2006.
They are withdrawing at least 2000 troops out of Iraq to go to Afghanistan. This will happen November this year. Fact..............



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 06:01 PM
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So comparing a past US Occupation with a insurgency is a bad analogy for a Current one?


You should not use WWII analogies in relation to the Iraq war because we fit the Nazis.

Who is the one invading weaker nations against international law while claiming to be liberators?

Saddam was nowhere near Hitler in any comparison, but Bush is on the path that could pale Hitler.



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel
Are you saying that you've seen a poll where the majority of Iraqis want us to stay indefinitely?





US troops tend to kill far more innocent Iraqis than terrorists......



And have you seen a poll where US forces have killed more innocent Iraqis than the the insurgents?



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel
Saddam was nowhere near Hitler in any comparison, but Bush is on the path that could pale Hitler.


Absolute rubbish. Have you read anything about Saddam? Did you not know that he ordered thousands of Kurds murdered?
Don't you think that this lies within the ideals of Hitler?
Hmmm, how many Jews were killed? Hmmm, how many Kurds and innocents were killed on Saddams orders?

The similarities are too close for comfort in the analogies you describe.



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