Originally posted by Alias Jones
Welcome to ATS .
Is it not true that the Isalmic nationalists, and for that matter all Muslims , as a pretext to being a " Good Musilm " push for an Islamic
Caliphate ? As I understand it , the goal of all Islamic nationalists, fundamentalists, and extremists is to unify the Islamic countries under one
head of the state, the Caliphate. The eradication of Israel, and all non muslims is the ultimate goal of your belief is it not ?
This is where the problems arise. Sure you have technology , education, and good economic factors, but under it all , the true goal of Islam is to
control the world isn't it ? Take what you can use from the Western world, then kick the gift horse in the mouth for ( the West ) not being devout
enough, pure enough, too evil, the great satan.
It is funny in a way because Islam, Christainity , and the Jews all have the SAME God. Only in the prophets is there disagreement. We all believe in
the same God, yet more blood has been spilled, and more lives lost throught the history of our civilization fighting eachother , it makes me not
believe in any of it at all.
Again , welcome friend
(note: I would like to quote only a part of your text but I do not know how to, so I will use your entire text, if it is permitted)
You bring up an interesting point Alias Jones. But let me first speak to the meaning of a Caliphate before I go into the Party of Liberation, if I
The Caliphate basically rules over every Muslim/Muslimah in a spiritual and political manner. The Caliphate is not prophetic like Muhammad (PBUH) was.
Caliphate is a spiritual/political or theorcratic ruler.
The Caliphate (or the way I usually know it as is, khalifah or khalif) began after Muhammad (PBUH) died, The Sunni faith began with Muhammad (PBUH)'s
successor, who was Abu Bakr. Abu Bakr was the first khalifah of the Sunni Islaamic faith. Abu Bakr was a spiritual and political ruler, but did not
have the prophetic capability as did our prophet, Muhammad (PBUH). I hope I have clarified what a khalifah is.
As for your question about Islaam wanting to rule the world. I thnk you are speaking about the Party of Liberation. The Party of Liberation or Hizb
ut-Tahrir is attempting to have khalifah status as opposed to our traditional way of life, that is, through an ulema (Islaamic scholars). Hizb
ut-Tahrir would like to have an Islaamic statehood throughout the middle east, their objective is to kill every zionist Jew, to oust all westerners
from the middle east especially the holy places like Medina and Mecca, and to have in place, one ruler (khalifah) who will rule over all Islaamic
I must say something before I tell you how I feel about this movement. As far as I know, Hizb ut-Tahrir is banned from most Arab countries including
As for myself, where I stand on this issue. I would like for all Muslims/Muslimahs to leave all western countries, to live anywhere they like in the
middle east, and I am against a two state solution in regards to Palestine.
I realize I am about to get into a sensitive issue here, but if the admin of this forum believes it is not appropriate, then please just delete this
particular reply/text and leave all my other posts, insha'Allaah.
As for the zionist Jewish issue, I support the Hamas. I support all my brothers and sisters in their crusade to oust the zionist Jews in Palestine.
The religious Jews have a right to stay in Palestine, to worship as they like, as they have for centuries, but the zionist Jews, the secular political
zionists must leave. Now for the sensitive issue, if suicide bombing is our only tool to end the oppression of the Palestinian-Arabs in Palestine,
then I say, so be it. You must be aware that, Palestinian-Arabs are not permitted to carry any firearms, they are searched at every checkpoint, they
are continually harassed in their own land and they have been stripped of any and all land titles they may have had over the last 50 years or so. The
only tool we have to oppose the zionist Jews are our bodies. And if it must be, then we will use our own bodies as weapons against the fascist secular
So in this regard, I understand Hizb ut-Tahrir way of thinking. But as far as a khalifah as a ruler, only Muhammad (PBUH) was the true khalifah, and
in most Arab countries, even though some of the tenets of the Party of Liberation we do understand, the movement has very little chance of actually
taking root and to grow in order to take over the world.
I hope I have answered your question. It is an excellent issue you raise because, most non-Muslims/Muslimahs believe we in our faith want to rule the
world or take over the world. But in Islaam, there is choice to become a Muslim or Muslimah. It is a very serious decision to make to be one, but it
is still a choice.
Thanks for your interest in my faith, and I hope you're satisfied with my reply, insha'Allaah
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