I'll take each point you have raised, and I'll attempt to deal with each one (for you have raised some interesting points which need to be explained
from a Muslim point of view, if I may.
The reason behind my saying Osama bin Muhammad bin Awad bin Laden is a good brother is because he has attempted to expel sheetaan (Satan) from our
countries here. When I say this, I mean, in Islaam we do not care for the vices western society believe to be part of freedom. Drugs, alcohol, music
which does not revere Allaah, sex, even certain sites on the web are banned (I was surprised that this site was not banned - maybe the Council has yet
to find this one out, I do not know). What my good brother has attempted to do was (and is) drive out sheetaan or the vices from our way of life. This
is what I mean by my brother being good. I hope you can understand.
I have read something online on the new world order, by Jim Marrs (Rule By Secrecy), and if you mean the Illuminati in this way, then yes, I believe
the Illuminati is running the show from behind. There are very powerful families, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Bronfmans that manage globalization via
the World Bank (UN).
Let me explain something if I may, I am not very pleased that my own government speaks with President Bush. To me, this is rea' (minor shirk, or
something not permitted by Shari'ah law but still forgivable by Allaah, insha'Allaah). To me, Bush serves sheetaan, and being this is so, my own
Prince (Abdullah) must be cautious of.
astaghfi-rullaah (I seek forgiveness from Allaah)
As for the CIA, I believe as do many others here, that the CIA runs the show from behind with the Mossad. In fact, the CIA and Mossad allowed for the
9-11 to occur. So they could blame it on us, and in turn, take over Afghanistan and Iraq, and in time, Syria and Iran. I hope you do understand the
reason behind this, in order to take Iran and Syria, two countries that will not fall so easily, they went after Afghanistan and Iraq, which were
easier to take down. Understand what I am saying? There may be other secret intelligence agencies in the US government, but the CIA or Pentagon are
the supreme servants of sheetaan.
As for our tradition, insha'Allaah, we strive every day to do Allaah's will. We place family and nation after Allaah. I am a slave to Allaah. To
westerners, this may sound strange. But to those in Islaam, I am very happy and content with serving only Allaah's will. Also, as to your point, our
technology is up to date, we are better educated than most other countries, even though we do have poor people here, we still give zakat (charity)
every year to help others in need. But you must try to understand, throughout the qur'aan, Allaah spoke of limits on everything. I may use internet
technology, but I must not abuse it, that is, visit areas on the net that will demean Allaah. We have limits on everything we do, everything is in
As for your point on jihaad (proper way to say it is, jihaad fi Sabeel Allaah or striving hard in Allaah's cause). There is also the fiqh (Islaamic
law) which is part of jihaad, and that is, qitaal fi Sabeel Allaah (fighting for Allaah's cause). This is what my akhi (brother) Osama bin Muhammad
bin Awad bin Laden is doing. Under qitaal fi Sabeel Allaah, there is a fardh'ayn (personal obligation) and a fardh kifaayah (collective obligation).
As a Muslim, I must abide by (and I also want to) any fatwa (legal ruling) that is issued by any Imaam (scholar) or Hafidh (very high ranking scholar)
(by the way, I hope you do not mind my putting in text Arabic too, I find Arabic much easier to lay out the way I believe than English, even though my
father made sure I learned English at an early age for he said, I may need it if I ever leave the country - about a third of us here speak and write
English, some better than others, I consider myself pretty good at it). Anyway, back to my akhi, each obligation, under Islaamic law, makes us (and we
also prefer it) heed to any and all fatwa(s) (because who am I to doubt it, I am not a scholar) issued by an Imaam. akhi Osama bin Muhammad bin Awad
bin Laden and Mullah Omar gave fatwa(s) along with other leaders, to fight (spiritually and physically) anyone who attempts to oppress our homeland.
Which brings me to your final point, al tawbah (properly, at tawba), there is an ayat (verse) in the qur'aan which reads: Fight them until there is
no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allaah (Al-Baqarah 2:193). Our qur'aan directs us to commit qitaal fi Sabeel
Allaah (fighting for Allaah's cause) whenever there is injustice or oppression. We feel that the western powers are oppressing us so we dutifully
follow any fatwa which directs us to fight those who commit injustice against us.
I hope you can understand what I am saying. Like I said, I am no scholar, but I will try to explain, the best way I know, how it is to live (and die)
as a Muslim. I do not expect anyone on this web site to become a Muslim/Muslimah, all I can expect is, that we try to respect one another so we may
have an open discourse.
As for the nickname I chose, al tawbah, it means, repentence. The chapter and verse, 9:123 from the qur'aan: O you who have attained to faith, fight
against those deniers of the truth who are near you, and let them find you adamant, and know that Allaah is with those who are conscious of Him.
When I came across this site on the web, I thought the best way I could show Allaah my love and respect would be to show the truth about Islaam to
those who may not know the truth about Islaam (for the western media has portrayed Islaam as being evil). This is my spiritual fight for Allaah's
cause, and I can only believe, insha'Allaah, that we can learn from one another for the betterment of humanity.
So I hope, insha'Allaah, that I answered your questions the best way I know, and that if there are any other questions or comments, please do not
hesitate to reply.
shokran wa tisbah ala kheer (thank you and goodnight)
Originally posted by Nygdan
Welcome to ATS. Peace to you too!
Originally posted by al tawbah 9 123
My good brother Osama bin Muhammad bin Awad bin Laden was a CIA agent,
I believe there are powers that be that operate behind all the mishaps around the world in the name of Allaah or Islaam.
The Illuminati or the Isamlii, which do you prefer as the agents of evil?
What I am saying is, there is a clash between old (traditional) and new (globalization), and the powers that be, US government (CIA)
THe US government is a little bit more than just the CIA, which is just an intelligence agency within the government.
I say, why can't we all have the life we are used to, without any type of infringement?
Because non-infringement is immpossible. You noted it yourself, muslims were readily able to adapt to and adopt western things, modern things. Thats
an infringment, they're innovations according to some, and therefor agents of evil. This means that there will allways be
westernizing/modernizing/globalizing forces at work in 'traditional' places like the islamic world, and thus allways strife, so long as its resisted
Islaam is all about jihaad, but not the type of jihaad American media portray us as
The media, especially american media, is constantly talking about how jihand merely means a sancitifed struggle, often within one's self, to stay on
a virtuous path. But what american media, or, honestly, you, think jihad means isn't important, guys like bin ladin aren't talking about a sacred
personal struggle when they use it, they're talking about pysical war.
all we are asking is, to be left alone in peace, to be left to our tradition.
But you have adopted things that are not part of your tradition. No one forced anyone to build modern buildings or purchase televisions and cell
Is this too much to ask, I do not think so.
But you are using the internet.
My name is Muhammad
Tawbah means returning or turning away from sin no? Whats the 9 123 bit about?
[edit on 27-10-2005 by al tawbah 9 123]