Originally posted by skippytjc
Okies, pardon my newbness in this issue
- No need to apologise for any of that newb stuff skippy, I don't see many going in for that kind of thing around here!
(although I still say you have lost your mind about the Vulcan! :rol:
but the F14 is an interceptor right? And the F15 is not?
Originally both were designed as pure 'air superiority' fighters (ie ultra high agility dog-fighting fighters) with a very much secondary air to
So much so that around 10yrs after the F15a appeared the USAF ordered the all-new air to ground optimised F15e.
The US Navy fitted avionics to optimise the F14 for more of a strike role.
I dont know that the F15 was ever fast enough or had the range enough to fill an interceptors roll.
- Like I said interception and air superiority were indeed the Eagle and Tomcats original role.
They were amongst the first to make a deal of actual or near 1:1 thrust to weight ratios (IIRC the Tomcat had to wait to be re-engined to quite match
IIRC the Eagle is also marginally the faster of the 2.
I seem to recall the Eagle quoted at a flat out speed of Mach 2.5 and the Tomcat a little slower at just over Mach2.
Either plane could carry tanks to extend their excellent range (the Eagle could also have huge 'conformal' tanks attached so I imagine it actually
had the advantage there).
IIRC both planes were very long-legged.
As I understand it now, the F18 is not a direct replacement, rather than a gap filler until the Naval JSF is deployed. But niether fit
an interceptors role.
- I think it's more complicated than that.
Certainly originally the F14 - F18 relationship would possibly be more analogous to the F15 - F16 in the USAF but now that the F18e/f 'super' Hornet
has arrrived I think matters have changed yet again.
I don't think it's accurate to view the super Hornets as an interim anything.
I dont know that any plane in current, or openly planned, developement directly fills the role of the F14.
Even the amazing F22 isnt an interceptor (although it would do quite nicely)
You guys agree?
- Quite possibly.
More than a few lament the passing of the Tomcat, it was a great design. High agility, long loiter on station and a huge weapons 'fit' are usually
things that do not go together, check out the Tornado F3 for the proof of this (fine aircraft that it is - and wholly fulfilling the job demanded of
it - it is no dog-fighter in the accepted modern idiom).
I certainly don't see the F22 as any kind of replacement for the F14 (I would be astounded if the F22 airframe or engines, as they are, could handle
carrier operations without a massive redesign at vast expense and a consequent reduction in capability.)
But ultimately one must account of the 'need' and it is hard to see any circumstance where the F18e/f super Hornet, F35 JSF, cruise missile and
drone mix is not going to be more than up to any credible likely task ahead.
There was an interesting comment on that Typhoon video Bodrul posted earlier.
It remarked on how the expected role of the Typhoon had gone from a highly unlikey cold war warrior to the distinct possibility of intercepting
hijacked passanger jets.
Like I said, when the actual 'need' is taken into account.......?
[edit on 26-10-2005 by sminkeypinkey]