posted on Jan, 11 2006 @ 11:56 AM
beep beep beep beep freeze
I've got to learn to save my replies before my computer savotages them.. it was quite brilliant as well. Really. Apologies in advance if this sounds
a bit muddled.. I have to rush it just in case my PC cuts out [again].
I'll get back to the rest of it.. but this got my attention.
HOWEVER, MMR doesn't contain *any* thiomersal:
However it used to
And I was specifically having a 'pop' at Andrew Wakefield, whose MMR 'work' has led to a big upsurge in measles mumps and rubella in the UK
on pretty poor science.
I wouldn't call it 'poor science' however it is incomplete. The issues have not been resolved yet [not that I subscribe to what he says
METHODS: A retrospective study based on linkage of individual MMR vaccination data with a hospital discharge register was conducted among 535
544 1- to 7-year-old children who were vaccinated between November 1982 and June 1986 in Finland.
I must say I have a big problem with this study being twenty years old. At that stage they knew very little about autism so diagnosing it would not
have been very accurate.. at the time they even thought that autistics had no feelings whatsoever and were empty shells. Austism is now at epidemic
proportions.. of course that in itself makes the study obsolete because the data has changed. The data has changed yet again of course.. if it were
the preservative responsible.. now that it is no longer in use comparisons will be able to be made as it should decline. They stopped using it in Aus
three years ago.. the last batch of children to be injected with it should be at the right age to diagnose withing the next year so we'll see if
Another problem with this.. [the preservative still would've been in use] is that under
1yo were not studied. Babies are the group that are at
greatest risk of 'aquiring' autism as their brains are at a more crucial stage of development.. unfortuantly there is not much to go by to know if
they'll develop autism.. and of course it would take alot longer than three months [as in that study] before they are diagnosed [when they are due to
start talking] aside from reduced eye contact etc. Studying any children who have already reached school age is also pointless.. autism is usually
diagnosed between the ages of two [if you're lucky] and four.
For encephalitis and aseptic meningitis, the numbers of events observed within a 3-month risk interval after vaccination
Autism can take years to manifest and months to diagnose.
were compared with the expected numbers estimated on the basis of occurrence of encephalitis and aseptic meningitis during the subsequent
No mention of comparison to un
vaccinated children? Where is the control/'placibo' group?
Changes in the overall number of hospitalizations for autism after vaccination throughout the study period were searched for.
Children usually do not get hospitalised for autism. They get sent to a shrink via their GP.. usually for delayed speech. Takes months if not years
depending on when it is suspected.
In addition, hospitalizations because of inflammatory bowel diseases were checked for the children with autism. RESULTS: Of the 535 544
children who were vaccinated, 199 were hospitalized for encephalitis, 161 for aseptic meningitis, and 352 for autistic disorders. In 9 children with
encephalitis and 10 with meningitis, the disease developed within 3 months of vaccination, revealing no increased occurrence within this designated
risk period. We detected no clustering of hospitalizations for autism after vaccination. None of the autistic children made hospital visits for
inflammatory bowel diseases.
Bowel problems would have to be very severe to require hospitalisation. Though I do not know much about bowel disease [apart from lesions in the small
intestines].. a common symptom autistic children have is being constipated and/or adamently refusing to go to the toliet. They have alot of trouble
being toilet trained. This used to be put down to the behavioural problems of autism itself and not a medical problem with the digestive tract. Some
autistics get diagnosed with bowel disease [more so now] but not all.. some may just get the seizures.. and there are some that may have no warning
symptoms and have 'genetic' autism.
I'll get back to this at a later stage.. I'm going to either hurt my brain or my computer if I keep going.
BTW thanks for the links.
[edit on 11-1-2006 by riley]