Originally posted by BostonBill99
When you treat others cruelly and with disrespect, you deserve the same in return.

Thats so true! Whats the weather like in Guantanamo lately?

I guess nobody is asking why. Why, out of the so called blue, is this man poking Israel? We all just go back to our old standby positions some of which don't even matter anymore because we are in the thick of things we can't even begin to understand. I'm going to ask why because maybe it has nothing to do with Israel and more to do with the larger picture. Iran is in trouble and soon will be facing sanctions at best or a Bush war as worst.

If these are true quotes, he using buzz words like "zionism" and "zionist". Words that would stir the most moderate Muslim's blood. He wants to align his interest with arab muslims--he wants it to appear as though Iran is being persecuted by evil old super power come to rape and pillage. This is just the prelude because we are at war and it has to get bigger and nastier, and it has to be there because they believe it.

ps...i don't think a president can be called a freedom fighter--what oppression is he suffering from ??? none, he does the oppressing. he's making decisions on behalf of his people that are down right despicable and despotic.

Originally posted by BostonBill99
And that "which side of the fence you yourself sit on" garbage is just that, garbage. When you treat others cruelly and with disrespect, you deserve the same in return.

By your own justification the United States Goverment is in for a nasty shock soon.

South America.
Africa.
Native American's.
Blacks.
Hispanics...

Oh boy...I can't wait for their judgement day.

this really is nothing new. to my knowledge, the only muslim country to ever recognize israel was egypt under sadat, and it got him assasinated by his own people.

the mullahs have been spouting anti-israeli rhetoric since israels inception in 1947. they will continue to do so until the end of the world, or the end of israel, whichever comes first (probably both at the same time, IMHO).

just because the president of iran is only now saying it publicly doesnt really mean anything....he's been in office less than a year. iran as a theocratic country has been spouting this for years. its just that now, with all the hype over irans nuke program, it makes bigger headlines.

[edit on 26-10-2005 by snafu7700]

Originally posted by zappafan1
Christian versus Muslim; One God tells it's people to love one another and to help those in need. and one God (?) who says it is right to kill in the name of its religion. It boggles the mind to think how peace between these two mindsets can ever be achieved.

Where?

If you bother to learn Arabic you would know the Qu'Ran says not to harm any child of the book/people of the book, unless they have wronged you first.

So please, do show me where he says it is O.K. to kill and play my game like the last bunch of people have done. :-)

I look forward to it.

Now the prophecy from Christian groups who believe a bible code predicts an attack by Iran on Israel seem more believable now...

But i doubt Iran will be stupid enough to attack Israel

Originally posted by andpau66
A CIA report has determined with "relative certainty" that Iran's new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was not involved in the taking of U.S. hostages 26 years ago, three government officials told CNN.

[edit on 26-10-2005 by andpau66]

well, of course they have, because the US does not negotiate with terrorists, and that would make the president of iran a terrorist, no? therefore, they could not negotiate with him over anything at all, much less irans nuclear program.

i dont know if he really is or not, but the US govt is not going to admit it even if they know he is.

Originally posted by snafu7700

Originally posted by andpau66
A CIA report has determined with "relative certainty" that Iran's new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was not involved in the taking of U.S. hostages 26 years ago, three government officials told CNN.

[edit on 26-10-2005 by andpau66]

well, of course they have, because the US does not negotiate with terrorists, and that would make the president of iran a terrorist, no? therefore, they could not negotiate with him over anything at all, much less irans nuclear program.

i dont know if he really is or not, but the US govt is not going to admit it even if they know he is.

They have a policy not to speak to terrorists?

They must have such a hard time in meetings.

Originally posted by Odium

They have a policy not to speak to terrorists?

They must have such a hard time in meetings.

lol...ok, quit putting words in my mouth. i said negotiate, not speak, and you darn well know it! hehe.

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum
Countries had better wake up to the fact that Islam is a formidible threat.

Where have I heard this before? Hmm, checks memory. OH YEAH, "We better wake up to the Communist threat". 1940's-1980's.

Edit to add quotation marks.

[edit on 26-10-2005 by intrepid]

The drama. Oh the rhetoric. It's so silly, really. But then again it's also pretty sick when you look at it closer.

Point A.
This guy obviously has not one iota of compassion for the palestinians. If he did he would't be encouraging "waves of suicide attacks". Young men and women in Palestinian lands would certainly be served better by building them a university rather than sending well trained bombmakers and propogandists to encourage their death. Screw the Palestinians right? They're just tools for the zealots to use.

Point B.
Iran can sit back and quietly fund and arm whichever terrorist groups in the middle east they wish to. Keeping the Isreali's busy with the homicide bombers sure beats trying to fight a war yourself. Hell it's a pretty smart tactic. With every bombing in a market, on a bus, or in a Sbarro's pizza joint, the death mongers in the Iranian gov't can sit back and smile. A few Isreali's bite the dust and the Iranians don't even lose a single soldier. Pretty impressive, and they've been doing it since 1979, wow! I have Sun Tzsu's "the art of war" but I can't find the chapter on sending people of another nation out to attack your enemies mass transit buses with suicide bomb belts.

Point C.
"El Presidente' del WhackJob" has to know that his government is going to have to make some conscessions on it's Nuke program soon. If they don't then they are going to lose the europeans (well not all of them anyway, there'll always be jew haters like british MP George Galloway to support Iran/terrorists/dictators/rogue regimes for fun and profit). Without the Europeans Iran has very little support in the UN. Russia is dealing with the chechnyan islamo-terrorists and if Iran keeps it up Putin might step away too, then Iran has real political AND economic problems. And China, well, Iran can forget counting on their help. China is setting itself up for a major power play in the next decade or so and is sure as hell not gonna let any sand trap in the middle of a god aweful desert to drag it into a conflict. Maybe the Iranian leader is just trying to save some face before he's forced to pack his little nuclear reactor back up in it's box and send it to the UN for safekeeping. Hopefully he's not gonna force the UN to send a Hans Blix type character to roam the Iranian deserts in the scooby doo van. I think we've all had enough of that crap.

Point D.
Refusing to Normalize relations with Isreal? Who's this joker trying to fool? I highly doubt that the Isreali gov't was going to just come on over and ask to borrow a cup of sugar or a leaf blower anyway. What this guy basically said is "I really don't care to be friends with the people we've been secretly funding the murder of for years". Kind of a silly statement. Was there any rumor floating around that Iran was suddenly going to just give Isreal a big bear hug and say "I love you man"? I don't understand the point of that statement, but then again I'm not really his target demographic (I don't praise allah or have access to bomb belts and the Jeruselum bus schedule).

from Vajrayana
Now more than ever, I think Iran's under-30YO majority should defy their latest despot's attempts at controlling their destiny while they still have one.

The entire time I was reading your post, that thought kept popping up in my mind. It seems that they are the only hope for Iran's future. Hopefully, we will continue to recognize that fact and not do anything to alienate that segment of the populace.

On the other hand, trying to stifle a culture from invading yours doesn't usually work. It's doubly hard now, given todays technology. You just can't keep them down on the farm anymore!

Originally posted by jsobecky
On the other hand, trying to stifle a culture from invading yours doesn't usually work. It's doubly hard now, given todays technology. You just can't keep them down on the farm anymore!

I agree, kind of like shoveling crap against the tide, always comes back to hit them in the face even harder. Hopefully this young crew will wake up and realize this sinbad is bent on taking them over the falls.

Originally posted by infinite
Now the prophecy from Christian groups who believe a bible code predicts an attack by Iran on Israel seem more believable now...

similar things are also prophecised in the hadith, but its something like the other way round, a bit hazy and the hadith isn't the most reliable source, but definitely worth looking into.

Originally posted by intrepid
Where have I heard this before? Hmm, checks memory. OH YEAH, "We better wake up to the Communist threat". 1940's-1980's.

The difference here, intrepid, is that back then, while there may have been communist individuals, or even clubs/groups, there weren't entire communities of them. I believe our immigration laws prevented the influx of communists. However, islamists have been allowed to immigrate with relative little interference.

I find it interesting that you chose communism to make your point. While I've referred to Islam as a religion at various times, I believe the truth is that Islam is more a political/social ideology vice a religion because it has its own set of laws (sharia).

The Islamic threat is much greater than the communist threat ever was.

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum
The Islamic threat is much greater than the communist threat ever was.

No, I have to disagree on that one. I'd describe the threat of Islam as a more "low rent" version of the communist/socialist threat at best. Communist Russia was a great beast with the potential for real devestation on a global scale. Islamic terrorism is more of a cockroach than a great beast. It's annoying too, but only because it keeps hiding in the cupboards and behind the fridge whenever you flick the lights on. At least with the USSR you knew where to find it, with islamic terror the leadership has to hide and scurry around, maybe put out a mix tape or a new video every few months.