Ther's your answer: They were only including international terrorism. Therefore, I stand by my previous assertion that Islam is the root ideology behind MOST terrorism committed globally today!

Freedom_for_sum:

So, they fudged the figures then? And I still find issue with you claim that they are behind most terrorism, as there is plenty to be had around the world, you just have to dig around to find out about it. Only the Muslims are getting the headlines at the mo....

What is the difference between a car bombing in London and one in Baghdad? Just because it is in another country to yourself, that makes it international?

Terrorism is Terrorism, no matter wher it is committed or by who.

Whilst you might not care about IRA attacks before 1998 or care wether they were global (they were and I will debate that wholeheartedly with you if you wish), I and many others had to live under the very real prospect of getting blown up when you get in a car, or shot at when you go shopping.

You're on very dodgy ground claiming that globally it is mainly muslims blowing stuff up. What is the meaning of Global? Is the UK not on the globe? Is not Ireland, or Germany? How about Gibraltar? What about the countries which gave money to the IRA. such as the US? Are they not on the globe? The IRA was bigger and better organised than these half-baked suicide bombers and was truly a global organisation with fingers in every pie.

What the hell is the difference?

Ooooh....I think I have it now...

Global Terrorism (the one everyone cares about), the most important and biggest threat to the world, is only when the US gets attacked right?

And as that is by Muslims, then only muslims are committing terrorism around the globe, henceforth, only they are the evil ones and must be wiped out, whereas the others, well, we don't count them do we?

If anyone else gets attacked, wherever it is in the world, it isn't global, well, because it didn't involve the US.

Don't worry, I gotcha...I see where your coming from...

why would you want to even bother with israel.iran does not have enough problems with the west as it is.i say put up a wall and look the other direction iran.there is no point getting mad israel is a cursed place as far as history has reported about it.

It's Iran trying to rally support because it knows its got no hope with its nuclear programme. Israel or the United States is definately prepared to go to war to stop them from getting the bomb. And they know it.

So what do they do about it? They try to get the rest of the Middle East whipped up into anti-Israeli moods. They dont need to whip up anti-American sentiment, the Americans did that for them.

Hmm and you quoted me for your Iran bash for what reason? Do you think he was trying to rally a broad international support or the traditional enemies of Israel: the Middle East.

It must be good to have a climate where you can demonize an entire country and get away with it.

Originally posted by subz
It's Iran trying to rally support because it knows its got no hope with its nuclear programme. Israel or the United States is definately prepared to go to war to stop them from getting the bomb. And they know it.

So what do they do about it? They try to get the rest of the Middle East whipped up into anti-Israeli moods. They dont need to whip up anti-American sentiment, the Americans did that for them.

I tend to subscribe to the theory that he was consolidating his power base through rhetoric. Showing the ruling Islamic leaders that he can be a hardliner and has the hutzpah to show it.

A cheap stunt. A dangerous one, but a stunt nonetheless.

Originally posted by subz
Hmm and you quoted me for your Iran bash for what reason? Do you think he was trying to rally a broad international support or the traditional enemies of Israel: the Middle East.

It must be good to have a climate where you can demonize an entire country and get away with it.

I tend to find it worse when you can do that, lie about the Nation and then invade it.

However, the U.N. and many Nation's of the World do it all the damn time...

Let's try to stay on topic and not get into the Iraq question.

Thanks.

[edit on 7-11-2005 by Riwka]

Freedom_for_sum,

Did you leave your intellect at the door or something? Was the creation of Israel peaceful? Was it borne out of a full fledged war? What makes you think Israel couldnt be dissolved without killing every Israeli?

You really are bigoted to say that Iran's position of being pro-Palestinian equates to wanting to murder every Israeli. Does America's pro-Israeli stance equate to them wanting to see every Palestinian murdered?

Get with it.

[edit on 7/11/05 by subz]

This is from the source you, subz, provided on page 1

Referring to Palestinian suicide bomb attacks in Israel, Ahmadinejad said: "there is no doubt that the new wave in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot from the face of the Islamic world."

I think it is no iinvitation to tea.

So if I say "Palestinians are going to continue to bomb Israel" I am calling for the death of every Israeli citizen? So stating the obvious is complicity and encouragement? Im really growing tired of the double standards here. Israel can do as it pleases with impunity, it can say what it wants with impunity and no one can say anything bad about it because then you become an anti-Semite. That or you are a murderer and you want to see every Israeli die.

Cant anyone simply say Israel is the single biggest root cause of conflict in the modern era? Israeli land was stolen from Palestinians and Israel didnt even abide by the UN resolution that created it. Israel works outside of international law and continues to abuse the Palestinians.

Call me all the names you want or insuate as much as you like, Israel is a rogue nation.

[edit on 7/11/05 by subz]

Second that motion, Subz
You can shout it as much as you like though, but they either wont listen or label you as some sort of proto-nazi, deathcamp commandant wannabe.....

Unless of course, you side with them, then it's just hunky dory and ok to kill Palestinian children, to blockade the entire population into abject poverty and generally treat the entire Palestinian territory as a ginat deathcamp.

EDIT: Also, where is Freedom_for_sum (quite an apt name, considering the topic, don't ya think ?) with his reply to me about the fudged numbers and accusations about terrorism?

Come on dude! You even sent me a U2U to get me to reply as well as asking if I still "lurked here" on the thread...Of course I am still here, I might as well upload myself I spend so much time here.....

[edit on 7/11/05 by stumason]

I totally agree Stumason. Its as if the Israeli government and zionists have engaged in a continous advertising blitz for 50 years.

"Israel is the victim"
"Israel only wants peace"
"Israel needs to protect itself from the bloody thirsty Arabs"
"Israel abides by UN resolutions"
"Palestinians only want to murder Israelis"
"Palestinians dont have any right to Israeli land"

All of which is completely false yet 99.9999% of people believe it because we've had it drummed into us for half a century. Just as we all know Coca-Cola is the "real thing" and Nike wearers "Just Do It", Israel will "always be the victim".

Originally posted by subz
All of which is completely false yet 99.9999% of people believe it because we've had it drummed into us for half a century. Just as we all know Coca-Cola is the "real thing" and Nike wearers "Just Do It", Israel will "always be the victim".

Maybe it's the 99.9999% of us who believe it because it's the truth and the 00.0001% of you who are delusioned and prefer to live in ignorance and denial

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum
Maybe it's the 99.9999% of us who believe it because it's the truth and the 00.0001% of you who are delusioned and prefer to live in ignorance and denial

Given the implied ludicrous ratios and percentages of "99.9999%" [ie: implied sheeple, debunkers, etc] and those of "00.0001%" [ie: implied those with all-seeing and the all-knowing third eye and conspiracy theorists, believers, etc], welcome to the wonderful world of crystalball using conspiracy theorists, Freedom_for_sum.





seekerof

[edit on 7-11-2005 by Seekerof]

I only see quibbling with obviously generalized percentages. Wheres the facts that contradict my statement? I'd love to see them more than smart arse remarks. Prove me wrong.

Originally posted by subz
So if I say "Palestinians are going to continue to bomb Israel" I am calling for the death of every Israeli citizen?

So, how does Ahamdinejad think he will "wipe Israel off the map" without bitter bloodshed?

What do you think: what did he mean, according to wich international law for instance?

Originally posted by Riwka
So, how does Ahamdinejad think he will "wipe Israel off the map" without bitter bloodshed?

What do you think: what did he mean, according to wich international law for instance?

Its quite simple really. How was Israel created? There was a UN assembly vote and a resolution passed. Whats to say that couldnt happen in reverse? Wheres the bloodshed and death with a UN assembly vote that calls for the dissolution of Israel? I think you'd find the people who would be carrying out the killing and bloodshed would be the pissed off Israelis. But then that wouldnt gel with the whole victim persona you've got going, would it?

So Riwka, does this make me an anti-Semite?

Should I be ashamed of myself for getting angry because your nation wants to drop bombs on a nation I have close friends in?

[edit on 8/11/05 by subz]